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by **haps** » Mon Jan 18, 2010 12:23 pm

bunglemark2 wrote:Hang on a sec....I'm not going to blindly congratulate this guy on a post defending Stevie G.
You can't dispute that he has gone completely AWOL on many occasions over the past two seasons expecially. Or his penchant for diving in the box for no reason known to man. Or - dare I say it - his very, very questionable insistence on taking every deadball within 30 yards of the opposition goal....
I like the guy, but he shouldn't be put blindly up on a pedestal like you have just done...

I agree. Noone should be 'blindly' put up on a pedestal. Read the post again as it was intented - a response to an uninformed, biased piece of prattling. Nothing more. I could have gone a lot further in defending our captain who all of a sudden seems to be the centre of people's anger and frustration. I'm saying that in no way can it be said that Stevie G is disloyal and that the 'facts' presented in the newbie's post (sorrry - don't remember his name) and the comments subsequently made were ridiculous and typical of certain 'fans' you find on forums (and probably not at the games).

btw, Stevie G made 58 appearances for us last season, scoring 29 goals and making 13 assists. Hardly the stats of someone who went 'AWOL on many occasions'. And we all know he's been playing through injury this season. I'm sorry. I'm not trying to have a go at everyone but your assertion just doesn't hold up. Can we please stop having knee-jerk reactions to the problems we are having this season.

by **bunglemark2** » Mon Jan 18, 2010 12:27 pm

Ben Patrick wrote:Think the fact speak for themselves regarding Gerrard.
He has been nowhere near his best this season but thats clearly because he is nowhere near fit and carrying an injury.
Last season he was brilliant.

Its posts like yours that really bother me, appearing to be written with contempt about our best player for the last decade and possibly longer.

Absolutely astounds me it does.

And he doesnt take every freekick.
Ave seen Alonso take lots last season, Agger as well takes some and Aurellio scored a few last year so dont talk rubbish.

Nowhere near his best ? Do you win awards for understatements ? He doesn't even look remotely er.sed half the time. Spends more time throwing himself over a blade of grass in the box than trying to stand on his two feet.
And I don't have contempt for the player, you meff, so cop on to yourself. It's a fact that he's way below par and to all observers - not just me - he doesn't look engaged.
As for the freekicks - Alonso left last year mate. I'm not talking about last year. It's THIS year we're talking about. But I'll lay down a challenge : go and count how many dead balls he takes when he's on the pitch...

by **account deleted by request** » Mon Jan 18, 2010 12:32 pm

haps wrote:
bunglemark2 wrote:Hang on a sec....I'm not going to blindly congratulate this guy on a post defending Stevie G.
You can't dispute that he has gone completely AWOL on many occasions over the past two seasons expecially. Or his penchant for diving in the box for no reason known to man. Or - dare I say it - his very, very questionable insistence on taking every deadball within 30 yards of the opposition goal....
I like the guy, but he shouldn't be put blindly up on a pedestal like you have just done...

I agree. Noone should be 'blindly' put up on a pedestal. Read the post again as it was intented - a response to an uninformed, biased piece of prattling. Nothing more. I could have gone a lot further in defending our captain who all of a sudden seems to be the centre of people's anger and frustration. I'm saying that in no way can it be said that Stevie G is disloyal and that the 'facts' presented in the newbie's post (sorrry - don't remember his name) and the comments subsequently made were ridiculous and typical of certain 'fans' you find on forums (and probably not at the games).

btw, Stevie G made 58 appearances for us last season, scoring 29 goals and making 13 assists. Hardly the stats of someone who went 'AWOL on many occasions'. And we all know he's been playing through injury this season. I'm sorry. I'm not trying to have a go at everyone but your assertion just doesn't hold up. Can we please stop having knee-jerk reactions to the problems we are having this season.

Couple of good posts there mate, I think the problem is that there are a few people on here that would rather crucify Gerrard or ANY of the team rather than admit the problem might lie "elsewhere".

Blame the owners, blame the players, blame lack of money, blame the Ref, blame the "fickle" fans but for gods sake don't mention the manager.

I may have mentioned him but I think I got away with it.

by **Ben Patrick** » Mon Jan 18, 2010 12:32 pm

bunglemark2 wrote:
Ben Patrick wrote:Think the fact speak for themselves regarding Gerrard.
He has been nowhere near his best this season but thats clearly because he is nowhere near fit and carrying an injury.
Last season he was brilliant.

Its posts like yours that really bother me, appearing to be written with contempt about our best player for the last decade and possibly longer.

Absolutely astounds me it does.

And he doesnt take every freekick.
Ave seen Alonso take lots last season, Agger as well takes some and Aurellio scored a few last year so dont talk rubbish.

Nowhere near his best ? Do you win awards for understatements ? He doesn't even look remotely er.sed half the time. Spends more time throwing himself over a blade of grass in the box than trying to stand on his two feet.
And I don't have contempt for the player, you meff, so cop on to yourself. It's a fact that he's way below par and to all observers - not just me - he doesn't look engaged.
As for the freekicks - Alonso left last year mate. I'm not talking about last year. It's THIS year we're talking about. But I'll lay down a challenge : go and count how many dead balls he takes when he's on the pitch...

He takes most dead balls, he just so happens to be a very good striker of a football.
He is having a season that he will want to forget but has definately been playing with injuries.
He has had to have pain killing injections before games just to play.
His physical demenaour isnt great i'll give you that, but we have no clue what the lads feeling inside at all.

What bothers me is that people are so quick to jump on his back on places like here when he has been our Roy of the rovers for 10 years.
Scored in every final possible, single handedly winning us the fa cup in 06 and dragging us back into the 05 champions league final.
But in a time where he is struggling with injuries form and fitness he gets slagged.

An absolute joke that is.

by **bunglemark2** » Mon Jan 18, 2010 12:33 pm

He is Captain of this club. That is what he's supposed to do. Jesus wept....

And I don't blame the manager for ALL the ills at this club. Yes, he has a huge amount to be blamed for, that's a given, but what I expect of a Captain is that he is a leader. What I expect from ANY man who pulls on that shirt, is that he plays with pride and passion, and unbridled respect for the tradition of the club. This season, we all know who hasn't been fit to tie the laces of Messrs. Rush, Dalglish and Co., and it's not just Stevie G I'm getting at.

by **Ben Patrick** » Mon Jan 18, 2010 12:39 pm

bunglemark2 wrote:He is Captain of this club. That is what he's supposed to do. Jesus wept....

tell ye what lad when he's gone we will know about it.

All this b'llocks about the team can cope without him, people trotting out stuff like...well he never played when we beat united at home last season so we are fine.

Yeah lets just dismiss everything he does for the rest of the season because we have got some decent results when he has been injured.

I havent seen any other captains doing what stevie did against west ham in that final.
I havent seen any others doing what he did with that goal against olympiakos and then a second half performance like the one in istanbul.
He will go down as one of the top 3 players to every play for this club.
A midfielder that can do everything.

We are blessed to have him, and going back to what this thread is actually about - i dont feel we are particulaly blessed to have our manager.

by **GRAHAM01** » Mon Jan 18, 2010 12:42 pm

s@int wrote:
haps wrote:
bunglemark2 wrote:Hang on a sec....I'm not going to blindly congratulate this guy on a post defending Stevie G.
You can't dispute that he has gone completely AWOL on many occasions over the past two seasons expecially. Or his penchant for diving in the box for no reason known to man. Or - dare I say it - his very, very questionable insistence on taking every deadball within 30 yards of the opposition goal....
I like the guy, but he shouldn't be put blindly up on a pedestal like you have just done...

I agree. Noone should be 'blindly' put up on a pedestal. Read the post again as it was intented - a response to an uninformed, biased piece of prattling. Nothing more. I could have gone a lot further in defending our captain who all of a sudden seems to be the centre of people's anger and frustration. I'm saying that in no way can it be said that Stevie G is disloyal and that the 'facts' presented in the newbie's post (sorrry - don't remember his name) and the comments subsequently made were ridiculous and typical of certain 'fans' you find on forums (and probably not at the games).

btw, Stevie G made 58 appearances for us last season, scoring 29 goals and making 13 assists. Hardly the stats of someone who went 'AWOL on many occasions'. And we all know he's been playing through injury this season. I'm sorry. I'm not trying to have a go at everyone but your assertion just doesn't hold up. Can we please stop having knee-jerk reactions to the problems we are having this season.

Couple of good posts there mate, I think the problem is that there are a few people on here that would rather crucify Gerrard or ANY of the team rather than admit the problem might lie "elsewhere".

Blame the owners, blame the players, blame lack of money, blame the Ref, blame the "fickle" fans but for gods sake don't mention the manager.

I may have mentioned him but I think I got away with it.

what did you say about are manager :veryangry

by **Yossi_Benaloon** » Mon Jan 18, 2010 1:05 pm

Gerrard will always give everything he can for Liverpool I think one of the reasons that Liverpool has struggled is that he and Torres have missed too much of the season and even when they have played they have not been firing on all cylinders for one reason or another. This betting expert's football blog has highlighted the Anfield duo as two of the Premier League's "game breakers" who have not provided spark, whereas the likes of Drogba, Rooney and Fabregas have changed games to earn victories. With both Gerrard and Torres out injured then i struggle to think of where that spark is going to come from now - we desperately need people to step up to the plate in the coming weeks and months.

by **supersub** » Mon Jan 18, 2010 1:20 pm

bunglemark2 wrote:Hang on a sec....I'm not going to blindly congratulate this guy on a post defending Stevie G.
You can't dispute that he has gone completely AWOL on many occasions over the past two seasons expecially. Or his penchant for diving in the box for no reason known to man. Or - dare I say it - his very, very questionable insistence on taking every deadball within 30 yards of the opposition goal....
I like the guy, but he shouldn't be put blindly up on a pedestal like you have just done...

Agree with you on the SG stance...hasn't played the captain fantastic role, that the media and some members on this site like to portray.... If you watch him at the game,in the flesh,in front of your eyes on the pitch, not on a telly in Timucktooland,you can see how lazy and lackadaisical his attitude can be sometimes..he certain lacks the ability to encourage and cajole his team-mates or captain the team at all...his only verbal contributions in most cases seem to be to berate a player for not passing to him...

by **Bad Bob** » Mon Jan 18, 2010 1:20 pm

Ben Patrick wrote:
bunglemark2 wrote:He is Captain of this club. That is what he's supposed to do. Jesus wept....

tell ye what lad when he's gone we will know about it.

All this b'llocks about the team can cope without him, people trotting out stuff like...well he never played when we beat united at home last season so we are fine.

Yeah lets just dismiss everything he does for the rest of the season because we have got some decent results when he has been injured.

I havent seen any other captains doing what stevie did against west ham in that final.
I havent seen any others doing what he did with that goal against olympiakos and then a second half performance like the one in istanbul.
He will go down as one of the top 3 players to every play for this club.
A midfielder that can do everything.

We are blessed to have him, and going back to what this thread is actually about - i dont feel we are particulaly blessed to have our manager.

I agree Ben. I'm always very skeptical of the "player x can't be a.rsed" argument whenever it gets trotted out and that goes triple for Gerrard. For one, he's patently proved he very much can be a.rsed innumerable times over a spectacular career. In fact, Carragher aside, I think you'd be hard pressed to find a player more committed to the cause week in, week out. Second, as you say, he's clearly been carrying an injury all season which is curtailing his usual gung-ho game, which undoubtedly serves to give the impression he's not bothered. Finally, he's always been the mardy sort who simply has one of those faces that perpetually looks like someone's farted out last night's vindaloo in his immediate vicinity. As a result, there's always someone thinking he's p!ssed off/not bothered/off to City etc. I think these latest rumours are the typical concoctions of the press and I think too many people are swallowing them far too easily.

by **stmichael** » Mon Jan 18, 2010 1:23 pm

supersub wrote:
bunglemark2 wrote:Hang on a sec....I'm not going to blindly congratulate this guy on a post defending Stevie G.
You can't dispute that he has gone completely AWOL on many occasions over the past two seasons expecially. Or his penchant for diving in the box for no reason known to man. Or - dare I say it - his very, very questionable insistence on taking every deadball within 30 yards of the opposition goal....
I like the guy, but he shouldn't be put blindly up on a pedestal like you have just done...

Agree with you on the SG stance...hasn't played the captain fantastic role, that the media and some members on this site like to portray.... If you watch him at the game,in the flesh,in front of your eyes on the pitch, not on a telly in Timucktooland,you can see how lazy and lackadaisical his attitude can be sometimes..he certain lacks the ability to encourage and cajole his team-mates or captain the team at all...his only verbal contributions in most cases seem to be to berate a player for not passing to him...

i've always said this though. i argued that he doesn't need an armband to inspire by his performances on the pitch. carra should have been captain five years ago as he's a more natural leader but then the problem with him now is that his form hardly even merits a place in the side. hyypia and alonso were also natural leaders and now we're left with mascherano and reina as possible alternatives.

by **supersub** » Mon Jan 18, 2010 1:23 pm

Ben Patrick wrote:He will go down as one of the top 3 players to every play for this club.

I'll just name 3 that were better for this club than Gerrard that I've seen play...

Hunt
Dalglish
Rush

by **Ben Patrick** » Mon Jan 18, 2010 1:30 pm

stmichael wrote:
supersub wrote:
bunglemark2 wrote:Hang on a sec....I'm not going to blindly congratulate this guy on a post defending Stevie G.
You can't dispute that he has gone completely AWOL on many occasions over the past two seasons expecially. Or his penchant for diving in the box for no reason known to man. Or - dare I say it - his very, very questionable insistence on taking every deadball within 30 yards of the opposition goal....
I like the guy, but he shouldn't be put blindly up on a pedestal like you have just done...

Agree with you on the SG stance...hasn't played the captain fantastic role, that the media and some members on this site like to portray.... If you watch him at the game,in the flesh,in front of your eyes on the pitch, not on a telly in Timucktooland,you can see how lazy and lackadaisical his attitude can be sometimes..he certain lacks the ability to encourage and cajole his team-mates or captain the team at all...his only verbal contributions in most cases seem to be to berate a player for not passing to him...

i've always said this though. i argued that he doesn't need an armband to inspire by his performances on the pitch. carra should have been captain five years ago as he's a more natural leader but then the problem with him now is that his form hardly even merits a place in the side. hyypia and alonso were also natural leaders and now we're left with mascherano and reina as possible alternatives.

It doesnt worry me too much is captain. If we have natural leaders on the pitch anyway but they are not captain thats not a problem to me.

For what its worth i dont think stevie is a great captain, he isnt a player that gets the players going enough when the chips are down but i dont really see a reason to change it if we have Pepe leading from the goal, Carra in front and Masher in the middle.

by **Ben Patrick** » Mon Jan 18, 2010 1:37 pm

supersub wrote:
Ben Patrick wrote:He will go down as one of the top 3 players to every play for this club.

I'll just name 3 that were better for this club than Gerrard that I've seen play...

Hunt
Dalglish
Rush

All about opinions mate.

by **account deleted by request** » Mon Jan 18, 2010 1:45 pm

supersub wrote:
Ben Patrick wrote:He will go down as one of the top 3 players to every play for this club.

I'll just name 3 that were better for this club than Gerrard that I've seen play...

Hunt
Dalglish
Rush

Not sure about Hunt, I watched him from 1968 till he left for Bolton and while he "worked hard" struggled to score or play well. Obviously I missed his best years, but I still wouldn't put him above StJohn, never mind some of the great players we have seen since.

Had a great song though, I remember against Southampton when he came on as a sub and scored two I lost my voice singing Roger Hunt is wonderful (bread song)

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