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by **maguskwt** » Sun Jan 17, 2010 2:08 pm

The_Rock wrote:Murphy lays the smackdown on benitez

http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,11669_5866564,00.html

Danny Murphy feels Liverpool have gone backwards under Rafa Benitez since he left the club in 2004.

The experienced midfielder, who is now on the books of Fulham, believes the time has come for sweeping changes to be made at Anfield if they are to set out on the road to recovery.

The 32-year-old playmaker is of the opinion that in order for progress to be made, Benitez needs to be shown the door and a new manager brought in to help steady the ship.

With pressure mounting on the Spaniard with each passing game, it may only be a matter of time before Murphy's beliefs are shared by the Liverpool board.

A disastrous 2009/10 has underlined just how far away the club are from being regular contenders for major trophies, and much of the blame for their ongoing failings has been laid at Benitez's door.

"If you ask me has the time for Liverpool come to look for a new manager then I have to say 'yes'," Murphy told the News of the World.

"That is not me slating the guy because he forced me out when I didn't want to leave the club in the first place. Neither am I saying he is a bad manager. But over the last year or so the club have not moved forwards, in fact they are going backwards.

Mistakes

"I will always be a fan. I keep in touch with a lot of people close to the club and many think the time has come for a new manager. I agree providing that process doesn't cripple the club financially in terms of pay-offs."

He added: "Liverpool's problems at the moment are not just about some of the bad buys they have made for a lot of money over the last few years, but also the mistakes they've made in letting players go.

"I am not thinking of an obvious one like (Xabi) Alonso, but why on earth did Benitez sell players like Peter Crouch and Craig Bellamy when they are so reliant on Fernando Torres?

"It goes without saying the team have ended up relying too much on Torres, Steven Gerrard and Jamie Carragher.

"Over the past two years Benitez has made too many bad decisions. History says he has won the Champions League and the FA Cup for Liverpool, although even then people can argue about the merit of those wins.

"What I do know is that after being there for this length of time the debate should no longer be about Liverpool qualifying for the Champions League or where they finish in the league but actually winning the title. And that's not going to happen again this season. So something has to change.

"People go on about how well Liverpool did last season by finishing runners up? So what? We finished second under Gerard Houllier with 80 odd points. Our team also won three big trophies in one season. So things haven't really got much better. If anything they have got worse."

Good article? This smells of bitterness... I really liked the guy for his free kick goals but I'm sorry Murphy, three big trophies? We won the cup treble but that was ONE big trophy, the FA Cup. We won 2 big trophies under Benitez, the Champions League and the FA Cup which will always outway the treble we won in 2001.

by **Bad Bob** » Sun Jan 17, 2010 2:08 pm

I think any manager we were to bring in right now would be given a fair amount of latitude. Given how far our performances have slipped and how weak our squad is, I don't think any manager would be expected to storm the league between now and May. Get in, establish some belief, put a run of steady performances together and get his feet wet before rebuilding the squad in the summer (pending financial backing of course)--that would be the order of the day.

by **account deleted by request** » Sun Jan 17, 2010 2:11 pm

RichardLFC1 wrote:
dawson99 wrote:
made in UK wrote:
dawson99 wrote:Why has Gerrard not made a statement?
I wanna know where his loyalties lie

I don't think they lie with Rafa anymore.

but do they lie with Liverpool?

Would you blame him if they didnt?

I wouldn't blame him for being unhappy with Rafa, but I think Gerrard still owes Liverpool and the fans some loyalty after his attempts to leave a few years ago.

by **maguskwt** » Sun Jan 17, 2010 2:12 pm

The_Rock wrote:It beggers disbelieve how can benitez get rid of murphy (ok...he is not world class....but he is still decent) and then sign rubbish like zenden in.

you're feckin brilliant aren't you? Benitez sold Murphy and bought Xabi Alonso you nobhead. Zenden was brought in only a year later... yeah blame benitez for having the best midfield in the league for 4 years... :laugh:

by **account deleted by request** » Sun Jan 17, 2010 2:12 pm

Bad Bob wrote:I think any manager we were to bring in right now would be given a fair amount of latitude. Given how far our performances have slipped and how weak our squad is, I don't think any manager would be expected to storm the league between now and May. Get in, establish some belief, put a run of steady performances together and get his feet wet before rebuilding the squad in the summer (pending financial backing of course)--that would be the order of the day.

I take it you have finally fallen or been pushed off that fence you sat on for quite a while mate ?

by **Ciggy** » Sun Jan 17, 2010 2:29 pm

I dont know why St John made a big deal out of Rafa's press conference and I also dont see the need for him to go on about it like Rafa had killed someone.

Yes the football we have been served up this season is diablolical and we have some sh!t players, and our fans looked absoluty fed up when the camera panned on them yesterday and against reading.

But theres no need to crucify Rafa over that attempted joke he made at the press conference it really is knitpicking to say the least.

by **The_Rock** » Sun Jan 17, 2010 2:31 pm

maguskwt wrote:Good article? This smells of bitterness... I really liked the guy for his free kick goals but I'm sorry Murphy, three big trophies? We won the cup treble but that was ONE big trophy, the FA Cup. We won 2 big trophies under Benitez, the Champions League and the FA Cup which will always outway the treble we won in 2001.

What a "real fan" you are ? So the uefa cup means nothing ? winning 3 trophies in a year was awesome. Benitez can't even dream about doing that here...

by **account deleted by request** » Sun Jan 17, 2010 2:32 pm

I thought it was really embarressing TBH Ciggy. He should just stick to making non controvercial comments or perhaps just telling it like it is, when he tries to be funny it just backfires and makes him look foolish.

by **The_Rock** » Sun Jan 17, 2010 2:35 pm

maguskwt wrote:you're feckin brilliant aren't you? Benitez sold Murphy and bought Xabi Alonso you nobhead. Zenden was brought in only a year later... yeah blame benitez for having the best midfield in the league for 4 years...

Stick to humping mices............

I don't give a $hit when how or where zenden was bought. All that matters is that.......benitez gets rid of murphy because he didn't think he was good enough..... But then has no problem bringing in mediore players like zenden in the following years.....

by **Ciggy** » Sun Jan 17, 2010 2:36 pm

s@int wrote:I thought it was really embarressing TBH Ciggy. He should just stick to making non controvercial comments or perhaps just telling it like it is, when he tries to be funny it just backfires and makes him look foolish.

But I understood why he done it, them reporters speak to him like he's a child they try to intimidate him all the time, when he is in them press conferences he must feel like the lonelist person in the world, because Id say apart from the liverpool fan based journos none of them like him, and they have had it in for him since he arrived.

They just cannot take to him for some reason or other. (Rafa as a person and not Rafa the manager I mean).

by **Greavesie** » Sun Jan 17, 2010 2:41 pm

I'm with Ciggy on this. I felt awful for the man doing that conference, there's so many people on his back and have been for a long time. I'm questioning him this season only now but there's been people on his back when we were second last season and winning the FA cup etc etc. The guy deserves more slack than what's on offer atm cos he's done a lot for this club and brought it forward imo (this season aside of course

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I don't think he's right for the club anymore but there's no need to constantly snipe and him and critiise him at every opportunity, you have to appreciate what he has done for us and not consign his tenure to another page in the history books

by **Lando_Griffin** » Sun Jan 17, 2010 2:53 pm

MotorMouth
Explain that little gem of logic youve just posted.

I know you also cant grasp the logic in the fact that SG & Torres thrived on Alonso's vision from MF.
Has it also ever dawned on you that SG has had to revert back to dropping deep to pick the ball up now that Lucas has been entrusted by the manager with this vital role?
Alonso exelled at his role because Masch did at his.
ITS a team game! and ITS the managers job to get the best out of the players by gelling them together as a team.
So when he replaces a class act with a very limited one only a fool would expect it to be buisness as usual.
Also dont forget that Torres is injury prone so we were desperate for another quality striker at the club.

Now is it really that illogical that given the only MF availible that the 'manager thought' could do Alonso's job was crocked and needed an op that IF successful would still take months for him to recuporate from, That dropping SG, a world class MF player back, and spending our precious limited resourses on a class forward, was not the better option?

Rafa chooses to spend '20ml' on the crocked MF, replaces Alonso with Lucas thus fkn up the Torres/SG partnership
AND when it becomes obvious its not worked we dont have a striker worth a carrot to play alongside Torres and allow SG to get a grip of an aimless MF or even to play up front with him when Torres is injured.
You can bury your head in the sand and spout nonesense as much as you like, it still dosnte change the fact that Rafa fkd up completely and hasnte got a clue how to turn it around.
It was from the first day of the season an accident waiting to happen and thats why Rafa, the man who made it all possible with his shortsightedness MUST go!

What utter cr*p. The only part of your post which is infact accurate is that about Alonso.
Aqualani had already had the operation when he signed for us and was given a prognosis of being back in 1 month.
You can't blame the boss for not being a better doctor than one of the best in the World, you disgraceful maggot!

Riera, kuyt, Arbeloa, Aurelio, Insua and Benayoun all provided the Sg/Torres pairing with the ball - not just Alonso. The fact that Riera has been injured all season has had a massive effect on the team. Remember that he was one of the biggest reasons why we looked so balanced last term?
Of course you don't - because it would go against you campaign that Rafa has f*cked it all up...

Unless he's gone round Melwood tw*tting the players with a golf club, this situation is not his fault. He doesn't have the manc luxury of £30m Players gracing the bench - he doesn't have the luxury of spending that amount at all.

Even the scum would go into free-fall with a comparable injury list:

Torres - Rooney.
Gerrard - Carrick/Scholes of the past.
Riera - Giggs.
Johnson - whoever plays at rb.
Kelly - Brown/Neville.
Benayoun - Valencia.
Agger - Hair-lip Steve.

Now admittedly, they had their own mini injury crisis ealier this season, but like I said - they have the luxury of calling on £20-30m players to step in.

We don't, and you can prattle on all you want, but that is no-one's fault but the owners.

by **Ciggy** » Sun Jan 17, 2010 3:10 pm

muzza798 wrote:bring Mourinho in on a path of rose petals to the sound of pounding techno.

This song is for you http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yhmPe_THDRY

by **Lando_Griffin** » Sun Jan 17, 2010 3:13 pm

The_Rock wrote:
maguskwt wrote:you're feckin brilliant aren't you? Benitez sold Murphy and bought Xabi Alonso you nobhead. Zenden was brought in only a year later... yeah blame benitez for having the best midfield in the league for 4 years...

Stick to humping mices............

I don't give a $hit when how or where zenden was bought. All that matters is that.......benitez gets rid of murphy because he didn't think he was good enough..... But then has no problem bringing in mediore players like zenden in the following years.....

Sorry to burst your bubble, but Murphy moved on because he wanted regular football. Rafa gave him that choice.

I suppose you're going to tell me that honesty is a bad point, too?

by **roberto green** » Sun Jan 17, 2010 3:25 pm

Ciggy wrote:
s@int wrote:I thought it was really embarressing TBH Ciggy. He should just stick to making non controvercial comments or perhaps just telling it like it is, when he tries to be funny it just backfires and makes him look foolish.

But I understood why he done it, them reporters speak to him like he's a child they try to intimidate him all the time, when he is in them press conferences he must feel like the lonelist person in the world, because Id say apart from the liverpool fan based journos none of them like him, and they have had it in for him since he arrived.

They just cannot take to him for some reason or other. (Rafa as a person and not Rafa the manager I mean).

Totally agree, They are really having a go especially the sky sports crew.there like a dog with a bone.Could you imagine them doing this to alex ferguson.No I don't think so.

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