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Postby RichardLFC1 » Sun Jan 17, 2010 12:49 pm

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RichardLFC1 wrote:A new manager is needed at Liverpool however when the man is appointed is another question. If its going to be an ordinary man then it can wait till the end of the season.

However if its a man who carrys respect from the football industry then bring him on straight away. But in my opinion only two men i can think of who can get the respect straight away and get the team turned around straight away ad those men are either Mr Dalglish or Mr Mourinho.

To sum up unless we can appoint either Dalglish or Jose mourinho then the manager appointment can wait till the end of the season.

Daggers should be in charge for the Spurs game!

I think that would be the worst team for Liverpool. They would have to sack benitez bring in dalglish by tommorow then dalglish would have only 2 days to prepare the team for spurs game.

I want benitez out because it would be the best thing for liverpool. But some people want benitez to have someone to blame
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Postby teamleader1 » Sun Jan 17, 2010 1:07 pm

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teamleader1 wrote:
RichardLFC1 wrote:A new manager is needed at Liverpool however when the man is appointed is another question. If its going to be an ordinary man then it can wait till the end of the season.

However if its a man who carrys respect from the football industry then bring him on straight away. But in my opinion only two men i can think of who can get the respect straight away and get the team turned around straight away ad those men are either Mr Dalglish or Mr Mourinho.

To sum up unless we can appoint either Dalglish or Jose mourinho then the manager appointment can wait till the end of the season.

Daggers should be in charge for the Spurs game!

I think that would be the worst team for Liverpool. They would have to sack benitez bring in dalglish by tommorow then dalglish would have only 2 days to prepare the team for spurs game.

I want benitez out because it would be the best thing for liverpool. But some people want benitez to have someone to blame

True
But this situation is getting completely out of hand and needs drastic action to be taken to halt the slide.
Rafa deserves to go on his performance and for the good of the club
Hes not the victim of any witch hunt, hes very much the architect of his own demise.
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Postby dawson99 » Sun Jan 17, 2010 1:28 pm

I'm actually saying now leave it to the summer...
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Postby agoodmentality » Sun Jan 17, 2010 1:48 pm

RichardLFC1 wrote:A new manager is needed at Liverpool however when the man is appointed is another question. If its going to be an ordinary man then it can wait till the end of the season.

However if its a man who carrys respect from the football industry then bring him on straight away. But in my opinion only two men i can think of who can get the respect straight away and get the team turned around straight away ad those men are either Mr Dalglish or Mr Mourinho.

To sum up unless we can appoint either Dalglish or Jose mourinho then the manager appointment can wait till the end of the season.

so chelski's appointment of gus hiddink mid-season was a failure?


gus is the man for us,,

simplicity the liverpool way.

btw you lot sound like a bunch of geordies with your kenny shout.

get real
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Postby made in UK » Sun Jan 17, 2010 1:50 pm

Liverpool legend Ian St John has slammed the tactics deployed by manager Rafael Benitez and castigated him for his antics in the pre-match press conference before Saturday's draw with Stoke City.

The former Kop hero took aim at the under-fire Spaniard following his attempt to make light of the current crisis at the club ahead of the 1-1 stalemate at the Britannia Stadium and described the Reds' style of play as 'boring' and 'diabolical'.

Before his side's visit to the Potteries, Benitez read a short statement off a piece of paper; echoing his actions during the infamous press conference when he accused Manchester United manager Sir Alex Ferguson of being above the law when it came to bad-mouthing referees.

However speaking on a Merseyside radio station, the ex-striker turned media pundit claimed that the Kop boss's attempt to humour the press had backfired on him and feels that he made himself look foolish.

St John, 71, said: "Rafa's under extreme pressure for all that he tries to say he's not. I think he was just thinking ahead about what he could do and say. He came up with the idea of trying to be funny which is not his style.

"He's not a stand-up comedian like some managers, who are quite funny and witty. But Rafa is not that kind of guy. For him to do that was just dropping himself in it."

During a post-match phone-in on Radio City, St John also attacked promising French target man David Ngog, insisting that the 20-year-old will never make the grade at Anfield.

He continued: "He can't play that position. I don't know what position he can play but he can't play up front as a centre forward - he just can't do it.

"I don't think he's even good enough to play for Liverpool. I've said that very early on in his career when I've seen him.

"You're doing him no favours having him as a lone striker and you're doing the team no favours by playing him."

The Scot, who scored 118 times for Liverpool during 1961 and 1971, went on to blast the tactics used by Benitez and claimed that it did not reflect the Anfield teams of old.

St John believes that the Reds have no approach to their game other than using a repetitive 'square ball' tactic, which saw them fail to build on last season's second-place finish with last week's humilating FA Cup exit to Championship side Reading turning the heat up on Benitez.

He said: "We don't have a style of play. I watched Blackburn Rovers and Aston Villa the other night and you could see the style of both teams and what they were trying to do.

"When we go out and play, and the last week has just emphasised it, we don't have a style of play. Nobody can say 'this is how we're trying to play' because you cannot see anything.

"It seems to be a case of getting the ball and pass it to whoever is square of you. Today it was punt it up the park time but the other night against Reading it was just square ball after square ball.

"We don't have a system that we used to have when Liverpool got the ball and then were all moving and you could see who was playing to who and who went where. You could see the movement and read the game ahead because the players were reading the game ahead."

Lanarkshire-born St John, nicknamed "The Saint" by Kopites, said that he felt the current crop of players at Anfield had baffled the club's diehard supporters who appeared to have looks of bewilderment during Saturday's match.

He added: "If you're a fan and you see it week in and week out, you know what's happening. With this lot you don't know what's happening. You don't know what they're going to do apart from play it square.

"Apart from the most boring football, it has been diabolical and when the cameras cut to the fans they're looking at it with a glazed look in their eyes - they can't understand it."
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Postby REDTILLDEAD » Sun Jan 17, 2010 1:50 pm

The_Rock wrote:Murphy lays the smackdown on benitez


http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,11669_5866564,00.html

Danny Murphy feels Liverpool have gone backwards under Rafa Benitez since he left the club in 2004.

The experienced midfielder, who is now on the books of Fulham, believes the time has come for sweeping changes to be made at Anfield if they are to set out on the road to recovery.

The 32-year-old playmaker is of the opinion that in order for progress to be made, Benitez needs to be shown the door and a new manager brought in to help steady the ship.

With pressure mounting on the Spaniard with each passing game, it may only be a matter of time before Murphy's beliefs are shared by the Liverpool board.

A disastrous 2009/10 has underlined just how far away the club are from being regular contenders for major trophies, and much of the blame for their ongoing failings has been laid at Benitez's door.

"If you ask me has the time for Liverpool come to look for a new manager then I have to say 'yes'," Murphy told the News of the World.

"That is not me slating the guy because he forced me out when I didn't want to leave the club in the first place. Neither am I saying he is a bad manager. But over the last year or so the club have not moved forwards, in fact they are going backwards.

Mistakes

"I will always be a fan. I keep in touch with a lot of people close to the club and many think the time has come for a new manager. I agree providing that process doesn't cripple the club financially in terms of pay-offs."

He added: "Liverpool's problems at the moment are not just about some of the bad buys they have made for a lot of money over the last few years, but also the mistakes they've made in letting players go.

"I am not thinking of an obvious one like (Xabi) Alonso, but why on earth did Benitez sell players like Peter Crouch and Craig Bellamy when they are so reliant on Fernando Torres?

"It goes without saying the team have ended up relying too much on Torres, Steven Gerrard and Jamie Carragher.

"Over the past two years Benitez has made too many bad decisions. History says he has won the Champions League and the FA Cup for Liverpool, although even then people can argue about the merit of those wins.

"What I do know is that after being there for this length of time the debate should no longer be about Liverpool qualifying for the Champions League or where they finish in the league but actually winning the title. And that's not going to happen again this season. So something has to change.

"People go on about how well Liverpool did last season by finishing runners up? So what? We finished second under Gerard Houllier with 80 odd points. Our team also won three big trophies in one season. So things haven't really got much better. If anything they have got worse."

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Postby RichardLFC1 » Sun Jan 17, 2010 1:54 pm

teamleader1 wrote:
RichardLFC1 wrote:
teamleader1 wrote:
RichardLFC1 wrote:A new manager is needed at Liverpool however when the man is appointed is another question. If its going to be an ordinary man then it can wait till the end of the season.

However if its a man who carrys respect from the football industry then bring him on straight away. But in my opinion only two men i can think of who can get the respect straight away and get the team turned around straight away ad those men are either Mr Dalglish or Mr Mourinho.

To sum up unless we can appoint either Dalglish or Jose mourinho then the manager appointment can wait till the end of the season.

Daggers should be in charge for the Spurs game!

I think that would be the worst team for Liverpool. They would have to sack benitez bring in dalglish by tommorow then dalglish would have only 2 days to prepare the team for spurs game.

I want benitez out because it would be the best thing for liverpool. But some people want benitez to have someone to blame

True
But this situation is getting completely out of hand and needs drastic action to be taken to halt the slide.
Rafa deserves to go on his performance and for the good of the club
Hes not the victim of any witch hunt, hes very much the architect of his own demise.

The situation is bad at Liverpool fc however saying we do get rid of benitez and get in dalglish in for the spurs game and we lose. Then what do we say/do. I agree that if dalglish would agree to be manager then we should bring him in but to have in for the spurs game wouldnt be right to dalglish wouldnt be right for the players and although some people might think so rushing the descion would not be right for the fans. Hopefully we can bring in dalglish for the wolves game because in my opinion it would be a relatively easy game therefore it should result in a win and the fans and players would believe in the manager and some of the confidence is back. Then we can take that confidence to the next game and then hopefully getting stevie back which will bring us more confidence. Then the next game hopefully we would be on the back on a couple of wins, A new manager and The inspiration of Gerrard. Building confidence and a winning way will take time and it WILL come however it will only happen if we be patient and make the right descions  at the right time instead of jumping into descions which could result in our confidence and beliefs taking another hit.
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Postby dawson99 » Sun Jan 17, 2010 1:57 pm

Why has Gerrard not made a statement?
I wanna know where his loyalties lie
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Postby made in UK » Sun Jan 17, 2010 2:03 pm

dawson99 wrote:Why has Gerrard not made a statement?
I wanna know where his loyalties lie

I don't think they lie with Rafa anymore.
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Postby dawson99 » Sun Jan 17, 2010 2:04 pm

made in UK wrote:
dawson99 wrote:Why has Gerrard not made a statement?
I wanna know where his loyalties lie

I don't think they lie with Rafa anymore.

but do they lie with Liverpool?
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Postby RichardLFC1 » Sun Jan 17, 2010 2:05 pm

agoodmentality wrote:
RichardLFC1 wrote:A new manager is needed at Liverpool however when the man is appointed is another question. If its going to be an ordinary man then it can wait till the end of the season.

However if its a man who carrys respect from the football industry then bring him on straight away. But in my opinion only two men i can think of who can get the respect straight away and get the team turned around straight away ad those men are either Mr Dalglish or Mr Mourinho.

To sum up unless we can appoint either Dalglish or Jose mourinho then the manager appointment can wait till the end of the season.

so chelski's appointment of gus hiddink mid-season was a failure?


gus is the man for us,,

simplicity the liverpool way.

btw you lot sound like a bunch of geordies with your kenny shout.

get real

Big diffence mate Guus was manager until the end of the season no matter what happend. We are looking to recruit a permanant manager and if we recruit now and he doesnt have time to make the right descions especially with Torres Gerrard and Benayoun being out injured. Then the new manager could be questioned. Saying the new manager starts drawing and losing then what are we going to do recruit again at the end of the season.
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Postby teamleader1 » Sun Jan 17, 2010 2:06 pm

RichardLFC1 wrote:But this situation is getting completely out of hand and needs drastic action to be taken to halt the slide.
Rafa deserves to go on his performance and for the good of the club
Hes not the victim of any witch hunt, hes very much the architect of his own demise.

The situation is bad at Liverpool fc however saying we do get rid of benitez and get in dalglish in for the spurs game and we lose. Then what do we say/do. I agree that if dalglish would agree to be manager then we should bring him in but to have in for the spurs game wouldnt be right to dalglish wouldnt be right for the players and although some people might think so rushing the descion would not be right for the fans. Hopefully we can bring in dalglish for the wolves game because in my opinion it would be a relatively easy game therefore it should result in a win and the fans and players would believe in the manager and some of the confidence is back. Then we can take that confidence to the next game and then hopefully getting stevie back which will bring us more confidence. Then the next game hopefully we would be on the back on a couple of wins, A new manager and The inspiration of Gerrard. Building confidence and a winning way will take time and it WILL come however it will only happen if we be patient and make the right descions  at the right time instead of jumping into descions which could result in our confidence and beliefs taking another hit.[/quote]




Well put, and to be honest, I would have to agree with you on that.
My biggest fear is that both the manager and the owners are just fidling while rome burns and th damage done by the time they act will take many years to put right.
Daggers is the one person at the club that I would trust to turn this mess around, and your spot on that the timing must be right.
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Postby made in UK » Sun Jan 17, 2010 2:06 pm

Yeah of course, but if Rafa is around for too much longer I reckon he'll be off, couldn't blame him either really.

Just my opinion of course.
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Postby account deleted by request » Sun Jan 17, 2010 2:06 pm

made in UK wrote:Liverpool legend Ian St John has slammed the tactics deployed by manager Rafael Benitez and castigated him for his antics in the pre-match press conference before Saturday's draw with Stoke City.

The former Kop hero took aim at the under-fire Spaniard following his attempt to make light of the current crisis at the club ahead of the 1-1 stalemate at the Britannia Stadium and described the Reds' style of play as 'boring' and 'diabolical'.

Before his side's visit to the Potteries, Benitez read a short statement off a piece of paper; echoing his actions during the infamous press conference when he accused Manchester United manager Sir Alex Ferguson of being above the law when it came to bad-mouthing referees.

However speaking on a Merseyside radio station, the ex-striker turned media pundit claimed that the Kop boss's attempt to humour the press had backfired on him and feels that he made himself look foolish.

St John, 71, said: "Rafa's under extreme pressure for all that he tries to say he's not. I think he was just thinking ahead about what he could do and say. He came up with the idea of trying to be funny which is not his style.

"He's not a stand-up comedian like some managers, who are quite funny and witty. But Rafa is not that kind of guy. For him to do that was just dropping himself in it."

During a post-match phone-in on Radio City, St John also attacked promising French target man David Ngog, insisting that the 20-year-old will never make the grade at Anfield.

He continued: "He can't play that position. I don't know what position he can play but he can't play up front as a centre forward - he just can't do it.

"I don't think he's even good enough to play for Liverpool. I've said that very early on in his career when I've seen him.

"You're doing him no favours having him as a lone striker and you're doing the team no favours by playing him."

The Scot, who scored 118 times for Liverpool during 1961 and 1971, went on to blast the tactics used by Benitez and claimed that it did not reflect the Anfield teams of old.

St John believes that the Reds have no approach to their game other than using a repetitive 'square ball' tactic, which saw them fail to build on last season's second-place finish with last week's humilating FA Cup exit to Championship side Reading turning the heat up on Benitez.

He said: "We don't have a style of play. I watched Blackburn Rovers and Aston Villa the other night and you could see the style of both teams and what they were trying to do.

"When we go out and play, and the last week has just emphasised it, we don't have a style of play. Nobody can say 'this is how we're trying to play' because you cannot see anything.

"It seems to be a case of getting the ball and pass it to whoever is square of you. Today it was punt it up the park time but the other night against Reading it was just square ball after square ball.

"We don't have a system that we used to have when Liverpool got the ball and then were all moving and you could see who was playing to who and who went where. You could see the movement and read the game ahead because the players were reading the game ahead."

Lanarkshire-born St John, nicknamed "The Saint" by Kopites, said that he felt the current crop of players at Anfield had baffled the club's diehard supporters who appeared to have looks of bewilderment during Saturday's match.

He added: "If you're a fan and you see it week in and week out, you know what's happening. With this lot you don't know what's happening. You don't know what they're going to do apart from play it square.

"Apart from the most boring football, it has been diabolical and when the cameras cut to the fans they're looking at it with a glazed look in their eyes - they can't understand it."

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Postby RichardLFC1 » Sun Jan 17, 2010 2:06 pm

dawson99 wrote:
made in UK wrote:
dawson99 wrote:Why has Gerrard not made a statement?
I wanna know where his loyalties lie

I don't think they lie with Rafa anymore.

but do they lie with Liverpool?

Would you blame him if they didnt?
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