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Postby lakes10 » Fri Jan 15, 2010 8:44 pm

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stmichael wrote:i usually can't stand harry redknapp but after seeing this he has gone up in my estimation:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/l/liverpool/8462403.stm

yer he is a clever man, he know as long as Rafa is at liverpool spurs have a chance of getting 4th...........thats why he is backing him.

FFS. Why can't people just belive in someone having good intentions. The world would be such a nice place ...

i was being sarcastic.

Feck off you were  :D

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For what its worth, i still think most if not all fans who want Rafa out still think he's a very good manager... I do... Its just that things arent working out for him here and given the club's ambitions and obligations its probably best for the club and manager to reach an agreement.. Redknapp knows imo that things under Rafa this season are just going from bad to worse. The players dont seem interested, the fans are turning against the manager, and the owners do little to help the whole situation.
All things considered, if i was Redkapp I'd love for Rafa to stay as manager till the end of this season.. This Liverpool side are missing a spark, the manager, and none of the players just dont seem capable of turning things around atm.. You never know with a new manager though... new funds perhaps or a couple of good deals, a change in formation, tactics or approach... Maybe even just improving the morale in the dressing room could turn things around ... Atm though, i bet M.O'neil, Redknapp, and most of all Mancini are all delighted to see Rafa continuing to struggle with Liverpool this season...

god yes dont ger me wrong Rafa is a great manager one of the best.......but not in English football, i said the same thing the week before he even took over as our manager, he has never been the man to win the prem for us.
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Postby roberto green » Fri Jan 15, 2010 9:00 pm

lakes10 wrote:god yes dont ger me wrong Rafa is a great manager one of the best.......but not in English football, i said the same thing the week before he even took over as our manager, he has never been the man to win the prem for us.

we will have to get you to interview our new candidates then eh?






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Postby lakes10 » Fri Jan 15, 2010 9:15 pm

roberto green wrote:
lakes10 wrote:god yes dont ger me wrong Rafa is a great manager one of the best.......but not in English football, i said the same thing the week before he even took over as our manager, he has never been the man to win the prem for us.

we will have to get you to interview our new candidates then eh?






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that might work lol
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Postby REDTILLDEAD » Sat Jan 16, 2010 1:05 am

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jono wrote:rafa takin the p iss out of himself with a piece of paper and his fact in today's interview, apologised to the fans for bein shat

that did not go down well with me, the staye of the club is something he should not be making a joke out off. he should just :censored: off.

Be fair mate he's done the serious "we know we have to improve" talk enough times. surely it's better for him to try lift the mood a bit rather than be doom & gloom?

It's the same old excuses and empty apoliges from Rafa....talk is cheap....action speaks louder than words, dont tell me our season starts tomorrow....again! ffs the guy is a joke nobody (including the playing staff) have any faith in empty and hollow words, which we have heard many times this season.....our season might yet kick-start into action?....but only when Rafa fukks off. :nod
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Postby mjlfc09 » Sat Jan 16, 2010 1:33 am

Benitez: I won't quit - even Bill Shankly struggled

Published 23:00 15/01/10 By David Anderson

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Rafa Benitez has insisted he won't quit, claiming even Bill Shankly had lean spells at Anfield.

The beleaguered Liverpool manager remains defiant as he grapples with the biggest crisis of his six-year reign and he faces the boot if he cannot claim a Champions League spot.

Benitez is staying calm in the eye of the storm raging over Anfield and claims the "proper" fans - as he calls them - remember how Shanks went seven years without a trophy between 1966 and 1973.

He insists he can still deliver on his guarantee of a top-four finish, but says his main focus is on beating Stoke in today's lunchtime clash at the Britannia Stadium.

"Clearly I want to fight," said a belligerent Benitez. "If I signed a contract for five years it is because I want to fight. And I will fight because I'm a fighter.

"Our fans, they are very clever. They know Bill Shankly, our most famous manager in the history of the club, was a lot of years without winning. They know that the club has had good moments and bad moments.

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"The proper fans, they know for years this club is a massive club and that we have won things and lost things. We are frustrated because we want to do well. Because the last year was so good, we wanted to be closer.

"I have to believe we can finish in the top four. I have the belief that we can do it, but we have to win the next game and that is what I am concentrating on.

"I have said before that top four is the target, but I have changed a little bit the message. We cannot be talking about long term, we have to be talking about the next game.

"To be as close as possible to the top four, we have to win against Stoke. If we win against Stoke and Tottenham, we will be closer."

Benitez, who is without Steven Gerrard, Fernando Torres and Yossi Benayoun to add to his problems, is drawing on all of his 26 years' coaching experience to handle this crisis and poked fun at himself yesterday to defuse some of the tension.

The lines of TV cameras and photographers in the press room at Melwood must have seemed like a firing squad for the Spaniard and he reacted with some gallows humour by skitting his "facts" rant from a a year ago.

To the bewilderment of the watching TV crews, he pulled a new list of "facts" from the pocket of his tracksuit before a question had been asked and detailed that Liverpool weren't playing well and that he felt sorry for the fans.

"I did it to relax the atmosphere because they were so many people," he said. "But I am quite serious about things.

"We know we are not doing well and that we have to improve. We are disappointed after the game the other day and we have to be disappointed, but my message is very clear - I have to prepare for the next game against Stoke. That is our most important game."

Benitez has spent all of his six years at Anfield struggling to cope with fans' expectations and he feels that is behind the boos which greeted Wednesday's humiliating FA Cup exit to Reading.

"Who has won the league in the last years?" he said. "And who has won the Champions League? And who has won the FA Cup? Who has won the Carling Cup?

"If you analyse who has won in the past, that is reality and against this reality, Liverpool have won four trophies, got to seven finals, got 82 points and 87 points.

"We were doing well for years. We have good memories of the last year when we were scoring a lot of goals. Two years ago, we scored 119 goals. All these good memories now maybe are against us now because we're not playing at the level we can.

"I said before and I say now, we are progressing. We are in a bad moment. We are not doing well and we have to improve.

"Every club has problems. Sometimes, the period you have the problems is longer, but we will try our best from now."
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Postby REDTILLDEAD » Sat Jan 16, 2010 1:43 am

:sleep ....he puts me to sleep with his excuse after excuse....i have heard it all before  :sleep yawn.
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Postby NANNY RED » Sat Jan 16, 2010 1:44 am

Go an get your head down if your tired then
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Postby aCe' » Sat Jan 16, 2010 1:50 am

Benitez’ failing a social one
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Rafael Benitez signed a 5 year contract at Liverpool in the summer, and this is probably the only thing saving him from the proverbial noose. Its often cited his transfer policy is to blame, that he has been unlucky with injuries, and that his team is over-reliant on two players, but in truth, his failing is a social one.

Frank Lampard said in an interview the other day that of all the managers he has worked with, the best have been those with whom he has forged a special bond. Jose Mourinho and Carlo Ancelotti, he claimed, are two such exceptional people.

David Beckham, Ryan Giggs, Cristiano Ronaldo, to name but a few of the luminaries who have graced Old Trafford over the years, have all referred to Alex Ferguson as a ‘father figure’ at the club. Fergie’s influence goes so far at Old Trafford that when courting a youngster, he takes the time to meet and involve the parents, and, ask Lee Sharpe and Ryan Giggs, takes a keen interest in players private lives.

Try asking Arsenal greats such as Thierry Henry, Patrick Vieira, Dennis Bergkamp, or even someone such as ‘Cesc Fabregas what they think of Arsene Wenger, and it’s likely you’ll get a similar response. Ask the Barcelona players even, how they feel about Josep Guardiola – but what happens when you ask a Liverpool player about Rafael Benitez?

Fernando Torres summed it up perfectly in his book when he revealed the moment Benitez spoke to him just after he found out his wife, Olalla, was pregnant. Torres thought he was offering him congratulations, instead Benitez said: ‘“Just as we’d anticipated attacking the near post really paid off yesterday.”

This is a very interesting insight into Benitez’ personality and style of man-management, or rather, lack thereof.  After all, this is the man who fell out with Xabi Alonso after he decided to stay home for the birth of his first child instead of board a plane for a champions league match against Inter Milan, and the man who, after Liverpool’s first leg victory over Real Madrid at the Bernabeu last season, didn’t even bother to congratulate the squad.

Dr Kerry Spackman, a renowned sports psychologist, once aided a top European football manager by comparing him to a conductor – “who knows the strengths and weakness of each musician, who trains and disciplines them, relentlessly, firmly, like a wise father educating and bringing up their children.” Does this sound like Rafa?

Whatever you say about the monetary rewards in the premier league, the sheer size of its worldwide audience and the passion it generates translates into huge pressure on a players psyche. Someone who is mentally weak will not survive. But kids are rarely born with these skills, they need to be taught, and in the same way a poor parent can affect a child’s outlook on life, so can a bad manager deeply affect a player’s confidence and self image.

Fergie has become one of the most successful managers in the game ever, not because of his transfer policy, although generally he has been successful in the market, not because he is a tactical genius, but because of the way he has nurtured talent and developed players who operate under a clearly defined philosophy. The same goes for Arsene Wenger. You just don’t hear stories about players Benitez has developed in the same way. He is always encouraging them to improve their skills and performance, but his inability to relate to his players on any other level than football, has had a cumulative negative effect on his team.

Social psychologists now accept that human beings are ‘wired to connect’. We feed of each others emotions and the neural ballet that occurs between a team of players when they are in tandem and on the same wavelength accounts for the phenomenon of a team becoming greater than merely the sum of its individuals.

At Liverpool, players like Ryan Babel have never really been given an extended chance because they are hauled off or dropped at the first sign of a slip, the result mentally, is that the next time Babel steps on the pitch he will be too anxious about making a mistake. His dissatisfaction grows, and that negativity spills over into the dressing room and affects the harmony of the squad and by extension, the synchronicity of the team.

It’s even worse when one of your star players is unhappy. Steven Gerrard has said he was heartbroken at the club’s decision to sell Xabi Alonso, and this psychological trauma has probably been ignored by Benitez, even though it’s a toxic emotion that will have spread insidiously throughout the squad.

Many coaches have ruled with fear as an element of their power, as David Beckham recently said about Alex Ferguson, but for this to be truly effective, there has to be an element of affection too. Look at the difference between Benitez and Jose Mourinho, who is gifted at handling people and undoubtedly has worked and studied hard on psychology. Even though his teams don’t always play the best football, the man has a fantastic record and hasn’t lost a home game with any club since 2003. More importantly, he has won league titles consecutively.

Rafa Benitez has an excellent record as a manager; he is an extremely shrewd tactician, and is meticulous in his match preparation. He can be overly cautious, but his teams, from Valencia to Liverpool last year, usually play a high standard of attractive football and score goals.  But, for a team to be greater than the sum of its parts, and for that team to endure and progress over a period of seasons, and furthermore for Benitez himself to take his own ability to the next level, he must surely examine and try to rectify his own social failings. As it stands, he lacks the  skills to repair the discord that has infected Anfield.
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Postby tubby » Sat Jan 16, 2010 1:51 am

Good on you Rafa. Tell those overplayed premadonna players to pull their fingers out of their :censored:.
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Postby Espionage » Sat Jan 16, 2010 1:53 am

I think this is a good series of talks that Rafa has made after the low point of being beaten by Reading.

I still back Rafa, and I have been keeping quiet because I really dont have the energy to argue with everyone on the forum. I think if you believe something, you should be able to say why you do, and you should not need a few pages to do it.

I back Rafa because I have faith in his decision making tactically, financially and in the transfer market. Almost everyone did about a year ago as well (when only the small number of Rafa bashers bemoaned his long contract). You were all happy with his new contract then, so what about now? We gave him an extended contract for a reason, and if you have forgotten it then I suggest you take a good look at yourself and how you provide support to your club.

I love this club, and I hate what I see this season, but Rafa earned his contract.

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Postby Dundalk » Sat Jan 16, 2010 1:59 am

Espionage wrote:I think this is a good series of talks that Rafa has made after the low point of being beaten by Reading.

I still back Rafa, and I have been keeping quiet because I really dont have the energy to argue with everyone on the forum. I think if you believe something, you should be able to say why you do, and you should not need a few pages to do it.

I back Rafa because I have faith in his decision making tactically, financially and in the transfer market. Almost everyone did about a year ago as well (when only the small number of Rafa bashers bemoaned his long contract). You were all happy with his new contract then, so what about now? We gave him an extended contract for a reason, and if you have forgotten it then I suggest you take a good look at yourself and how you provide support to your club.

I love this club, and I hate what I see this season, but Rafa earned his contract.

I refuse to be fickle

Good post and I agree with what you have said. I'm still in the Rafa camp. A lot of the players have underperformed this season,  Gerrard has been a shadow of the player that we have come to love and Nando has been again this season struck down with one injury after the next.

I firmly believe that if the right decisions were made and we had have got the right people in running this club the Rafa Benitez would have won us a Premier League already. Instead we are left with T&T and we are now shopping in Aldis.

Wake up all you Rafa haters, its not all his fault
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Postby aCe' » Sat Jan 16, 2010 2:03 am

Espionage wrote:I refuse to be fickle

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Postby Espionage » Sat Jan 16, 2010 2:15 am

I stand by that statement (hence putting it in my sig).

Nothing you can say will make me change that belief. I refute the idea that Rafa can become incompetent over a short space of time.

This thread fails (on all levels) to sway the belief that Rafa is a shrewd, intelligent and ultimately deserving manager of Liverpool Football Club.
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Postby aCe' » Sat Jan 16, 2010 2:16 am

Espionage wrote:I stand by that statement (hence putting it in my sig).

Nothing you can say will make me change that belief. I refute the idea that Rafa can become incompetent over a short space of time.

This thread fails (on all levels) to sway the belief that Rafa is a shrewd, intelligent and ultimately deserving manager of Liverpool Football Club.

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Postby Espionage » Sat Jan 16, 2010 2:19 am

aCe' wrote:
Espionage wrote:I stand by that statement (hence putting it in my sig).

Nothing you can say will make me change that belief. I refute the idea that Rafa can become incompetent over a short space of time.

This thread fails (on all levels) to sway the belief that Rafa is a shrewd, intelligent and ultimately deserving manager of Liverpool Football Club.

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