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by **Lando_Griffin** » Mon Jan 11, 2010 4:41 am

bigmick wrote:
Lando_Griffin wrote:Tell me, genius: What has Rafa done wrong this season?

I'm desperate to know...

I should have quoted this before my last post sorry. The fact the question was even asked should probably have been enough for me to realise I was completely wasting my time though. Utterly pointless conversation I'm afraid.

Yes, you're right - asking for reasons why you think what you do IS pointless, because asking you to explore your ill-though-out feelings would perhaps make you realise you're talking rot.

by **Judge** » Mon Jan 11, 2010 9:41 am

dawson99 wrote:yeah, if we're not doing well and havent got money lets just find another team to support

thats a good comment dawson

judging that everyone who wants rafa sacked is lambasted, which i may add doesnt affect the clubs money etc, but to those who will throw their footy season tickets back at the club, say they are fans !!!!

what happened to YNWA eh ??

that is worse imo, to throw back season tickets in protest than to want the manager to leave.

you will still love liverpool fc if the manager goes, but you cant love it if you give up your season ticket to the fire at home. that means someone who really wants to go, will miss out, coz your all having a pi'ssy fit

by **devaney** » Mon Jan 11, 2010 10:08 am

Lando_Griffin wrote:
bigmick wrote:
Lando_Griffin wrote:Tell me, genius: What has Rafa done wrong this season?

I'm desperate to know...

I should have quoted this before my last post sorry. The fact the question was even asked should probably have been enough for me to realise I was completely wasting my time though. Utterly pointless conversation I'm afraid.

Yes, you're right - asking for reasons why you think what you do IS pointless, because asking you to explore your ill-though-out feelings would perhaps make you realise you're talking rot.

Lando-Griffin. Suggest you look at the Glen Johnson thread for a few answers to your idiotic question as to what Benitez has done wrong this season !!

Stop trying to look clever. It doesn't suit you !!!!!!!

Did you watch Arbeloa and Alonso last night who are playing brilliantly for RM. But d.icks like you actually don't blame the incredibly incompetent Benitez for them leaving because they wanted to go. THAT'S HIS JOB FFS TO MOTIVATE PLAYERS AND GET THE BEST OUT OF THEM and then they just might want to stay!

If you honestly think that Benitez has done nothing wrong this season then I suggest you start following fkg netball because you really are one clueless p.rat!

by **babu** » Mon Jan 11, 2010 10:47 am

that was a wierd rant. Cannot see the connection at all.

by **devaney** » Mon Jan 11, 2010 10:51 am

Lando_Griffin wrote:
bigmick wrote:Why would you want anyone to do that though Lando? Given that we have spent more both gross and net on players since Rafa arrived at Liverpool than Man Utd have, Surely the comparison wouldn't be favourable to our manager Even since last season when we were four points behind them in second, they lost Christiano Ronaldo and Carlos Tevez and replaced them Michael Owen and Antonio Valencia at a net gain of 62 million pounds. We lost Alvarro Arbeloa and Xabi Alonso, replacing them with Glen Johnson and Alberto Aquilani, making a net slightly worse than break even. Reasonable to assume then that we'd be closer to them than we currently are? I think so, no?

Because neither Liverpool nor Manchester United began in 2004, and the sooner you realise that, the better.

Ferguson has had 2 decades to build his team and drops b*llocks every season. Big b*llocks. Expensive b*llocks.

£30m b*llocks.

Rafa has to scrape the barrel more often than not, which is why the squad outside our first-choice 11 is not able to maintain the standards.

All things being equal, I would have expected us to be closer - yes. But this isn't fantasy football or Fifa 2010.

This is real life, with real injuries and real money problems. Man Scum have built a squad with £30m players on the bench. They have had a massive head start and they don't let up.

They don't stand still.

You don't like him - probably because you're baffled by his logic - but Rafa has done everything he can to keep us competative. You whined like a love-sick teenager about a "settled line-up" and "delayed Gazelles" - you got what you wanted but you're STILL not happy.

Tell me - what has Rafa done so differently to last season? Where are these managerial catastrophes you invent?

Why is our current situation, brought on entirely by a chronic lack of funds at a pivotal time, Rafa's fault?

Explain - I'd love to know how your warped mind works.

Ffs LG how do you manage to come out with so much utter sh.ite? No you're right football didn't start in 2004 so let's go way back to 1993 and do some comparisons and see what you have to say! Let me guess you will say the figures are rubbish and Benitez can't be blamed for what happened before 2004! Here's the link:

http://www.transferleague.co.uk/index.php

Simple reason why Benitez has ditched his absurd rotation system is because there is absolutely no strength in depth and nothing worth rotating! And that is not just down to injuries. It is down to a thoroughly pathetic performance by Benitez in the transfer market. No doubt you will misguidedly blame Parry and the owners.

by **devaney** » Mon Jan 11, 2010 10:56 am

babu wrote:that was a wierd rant. Cannot see the connection at all.

The thread is called "Sack Him" !!!

Not having the ability to keep some of your best assets is a reasonable starting point when considering Benitez's performance especially when you look at how he spent the money he got for them!

by **aCe'** » Mon Jan 11, 2010 11:10 am

hahaha... Lando... head.. a$$... now pull hard sweetie ! monkeys got nothing on you i tell you !

by **account deleted by request** » Mon Jan 11, 2010 11:28 am

If you tried to use that tiny little piece of grey matter rather than just talking through your ar$e Lando, maybe you would understand some of the posts rather than just spouting your usual rubbish. Stop acting like a baffoon and try reading why people are upset with Rafa, instead of spouting your usual pathetic cr@p. You are acting like a little baby who's mummy has said no.

Pointless discussing anything with you as you are so blind with your love of Rafa Benitez FC that you can't see the mistakes he has made that have turned what should have been a title challenging season into a season of disappointment to all but a "real fan" like you.

4th place might be an acceptable target for a Rafa Benitez FC REAL FAN like you , but some of us have slightly higher ambitions for Liverpool FC. So why don't YOU FECK OFF instead and support another team with lesser ambitions where you will be happy defending their limited successes and leave the rest of us who believe in the team to dream of winning the title and the odd cup.

Better yet just ignore my posts from now on and I will gladly ignore yours.

by **Judge** » Mon Jan 11, 2010 12:29 pm

just want to say i love you all, unless your gybs

by **Benny The Noon** » Mon Jan 11, 2010 12:29 pm

bigmick wrote:It's also interesting but predictable that a post which talks about the signings which it is possible to make without breaking the bank, is answered with a "but we'll finish above them so it makes no difference" retort. There is much guessing as to why people don't post as much as they used to, but I can only speak for myself when I say it is this type of nonsense which bores me to distraction. I actually think Birmingham are an excellent example of a well managed team who have used their resources cleverly as well, but I suppose the fact that we'll finish above them renders it irrelevent. Fulham ditto.

So desperate are people to deflect and smother any criticism which they see coming the way of the manager, that they leap on posts which don't even mention him, sad really.

For me its having to put up with arrogant posts and people labelling other fans belivers etc etc and real fan bullsh.it and people who back rafa rounding being attacked on a daily basis and the de ja vu of whats being said on here . Broken record syndrome . Plus the constant negativity towards the club and manager and players and people that support the manager players etc .

People like saint show they understand peoples opinions without pre judging it and are able to debate sensibly without any added digs in the posts even if he doesnt agree with the poster .

Many could learn a lot from him as he is a rare breed on here .

by **account deleted by request** » Mon Jan 11, 2010 12:57 pm

Now I feel guilty about my response to Lando :down:

by **Benny The Noon** » Mon Jan 11, 2010 12:58 pm

Well thats different when your being personally insulted mate - i dont agree with what lando says even if i understand the motives behind it .

Also the way that every single thread just seems to turn into a Rafa bashing thread

by **account deleted by request** » Mon Jan 11, 2010 1:04 pm

To be fair mate, this is a sack Rafa thread so there is bound to be a few Rafa bashing posts. I agree that at the moment every thread seems to turn into one though, and maybe we should discuss the other reasons for our poor performances rather than just hammering Rafa. (Even I know that its not ALL Rafa's fault and the players need to take a share of the blame.)

by **aCe'** » Mon Jan 11, 2010 1:14 pm

s@int wrote:To be fair mate, this is a sack Rafa thread so there is bound to be a few Rafa bashing posts. I agree that at the moment every thread seems to turn into one though, and maybe we should discuss the other reasons for our poor performances rather than just hammering Rafa. (Even I know that its not ALL Rafa's fault and the players need to take a share of the blame.)

I hear you s@int mate... off to the Kuyt and Lucas threads:

by **Ben Patrick** » Mon Jan 11, 2010 1:17 pm

Lando_Griffin wrote:
bigmick wrote:I don't think you are desperate to know Lando, but in my opinion there have been a few errors of judgement by the manager. Firstly, I think before the season started our pre season campaign didn't prepare the team correctly and I don't think we've ever really recovered. I think it was a mistake to not sign credible striker cover before the season started, and I think the hugest error which has had the most effect was thinking that Lucas and Masherano would be ample as a central midfield pairing while Aquilani recovered. I think the signing of Aquilani was misguided, and I think a perfectionist such as Rafa would be hugely disappointed that each and every time we defend a set piece we are a shambles. I don't know precisely what he has done in terms of bonding, team building, motivation and the rest but it has clearly not been a success because far too often we have lain down and died in games, showing a complete lack of fight.

Other than that, he has been bang on the money.

Striker - money.

Pre-season - what didn't you like about it? There was nothing wrong with the games, we just didn't get players back in time and we lost too many - nothing wrong with the planning.

Who would you have signed instead of Aqualani?

There wasn't a lot wrong with team spirit last season - what makes you think it's the manager's fault now? Why is it never something else? Why is it ALWAYS Rafa that's to blame?

Do you think he's a sorcerer?

Lando do you actually believe everything you write or is it just because you have been backing the manager so staunchly for so long you feel you have to justify everything ?

Preseason was a shambles, we were nowhere near prepared correctly for what was always going to be a very difficult opening fixture.
Rafa seems to look long term ignoring or maybe not ignoring but not paying enough attention to the short term.
The Atletico madrid game was the only time he let any of the players play more than a half.
Thats not enough, we looked unfit for the first few weeks of the season as Rafa seems to worry about being fit at the end of the season.
By then though we are out of the league anyway.

The Aquilani signing was probably a mistake, we are halfway through the season and have seen nothing.
Rafa knew his injury record and that he was injured when signed so it was always a gamble.
Its an even bigger gamble if your two other options are not great with distributing the ball and dictating the tempo of games like Alonso was.
Who he should of signed is blatantly obvious - the player he coveted before hand, Gareth Barry.

The players have been awful this season, thats not Rafa's fault but he hasnt helped sticking with a system that doesnt work that well without Alonso and when Torres is injured.

I like the fact that you stick by the manager but think at times you appear to defend things just because you feel like you have in the past.

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