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by **NANNY RED** » Sun Jan 10, 2010 11:25 pm

OK is this good enough for you Ace , i believe in Rafa thats all :;):

no talk of any buissiness there :laugh:

by **aCe'** » Sun Jan 10, 2010 11:32 pm

NANNY RED wrote:OK is this good enough for you Ace , i believe in Rafa thats all no talk of any buissiness there

You know what Nan thats perfectly fine... i dont think hes doing his job right and i think we should sack him at the end of the season at the very most... For this transfer window i think any transfers he wants should go through the owners and their consultants before they are sanctioned because tbph im sick of him signing average overpriced players who fit a dull and uninspired system that needs changing...

For what its worth i think our form will pick up and we'll most probably make the top 4 just barely.. Unlike you though (and please correct me if im wrong) i dont think that should be enough for him to keep his job especially given the inconsistency under his 6year or so reign.

by **KennyisGod....still** » Sun Jan 10, 2010 11:34 pm

how can we sack him for christs sake - we quite simply dont have the money

by **muzza798** » Sun Jan 10, 2010 11:36 pm

With Hicks and Gilly selling their American franchises and there being a strong possibility of investment from the east i'd asume we'd get all of the Torres and Gerrard money to re-invest. We could build a really good team and could easiliy afford say six 20mil players.

Though Gerrard will never leave even if we dont qualify for 4th spot and after reading Torres autobiography im confident that he will want to be here for a long time and the only reason he came here is cos we all speak spanish. He wont go to anywhere else. The champions league isnt the be all and end all. Torres has a family, he has settled here. There's more to life than playing in the CL. If we dont make it this season we'll make it the next.

by **KennyisGod....still** » Sun Jan 10, 2010 11:37 pm

aCe' wrote:everyones a business analyst all of a sudden ...

what happened to replying to a football related post with another football related post rather than discussing club politics and business plans...

To be honest id be very very surprised if the players discuss the owners and our finances half as much as we do...

I realize that the uncertainty surrounding our finances and all that are adding a bit of pressure on our manager to perform to the expected standards, but for people to seriously blame our owners for our shortcomings on the pitch given all the money they've allowed him to spend in the last few seasons and given the fact that they've given him his much publicized contract with all that extra control he's demanded and all that is just plain ridiculous...

i aint sayin what i said as a business analyst ace, simply sayin that we cant sack him due to finance but if events 'transpired in such a manner he walked' then hix an gilet wudn be exacly pi$$3d at the situation. an where wud that leave us?

by **roberto green** » Sun Jan 10, 2010 11:39 pm

KennyisGod....still wrote:how can we sack him for christs sake - we quite simply dont have the money

We have sold Dossena and Vorronin so we only need to sell Babel to raise his sacking fee that's why he won't sell Babel

by **NANNY RED** » Sun Jan 10, 2010 11:54 pm

aCe' wrote:
NANNY RED wrote:OK is this good enough for you Ace , i believe in Rafa thats all no talk of any buissiness there

You know what Nan thats perfectly fine... i dont think hes doing his job right and i think we should sack him at the end of the season at the very most... For this transfer window i think any transfers he wants should go through the owners and their consultants before they are sanctioned because tbph im sick of him signing average overpriced players who fit a dull and uninspired system that needs changing...

For what its worth i think our form will pick up and we'll most probably make the top 4 just barely.. Unlike you though (and please correct me if im wrong) i dont think that should be enough for him to keep his job especially given the inconsistency under his 6year or so reign.

I do though mate because i believe in him, And the day i stop ill let yous all know, might be ages yet so yous will just have to put up with me , like yous are doing with Rafa, :laugh:

by **aCe'** » Mon Jan 11, 2010 12:02 am

KennyisGod....still wrote:
aCe' wrote:everyones a business analyst all of a sudden ...

what happened to replying to a football related post with another football related post rather than discussing club politics and business plans...

To be honest id be very very surprised if the players discuss the owners and our finances half as much as we do...

I realize that the uncertainty surrounding our finances and all that are adding a bit of pressure on our manager to perform to the expected standards, but for people to seriously blame our owners for our shortcomings on the pitch given all the money they've allowed him to spend in the last few seasons and given the fact that they've given him his much publicized contract with all that extra control he's demanded and all that is just plain ridiculous...

i aint sayin what i said as a business analyst ace, simply sayin that we cant sack him due to finance but if events 'transpired in such a manner he walked' then hix an gilet wudn be exacly pi$$3d at the situation. an where wud that leave us?

Well this isnt something i can argue quite simply because i have no idea how much it would cost for us to sack him given the circumstances at the time... im sure its not as clear cut as paying him all the wages left for the duration of his contract because if that was the case then a hypothetical scenario could exist where a manager could possibly sit there and lose every (or most) game(s) of the season on purpose having signed a 6 year deal and then get the sack at the end of the season having underperformed, with him being payed 20 or so mill for fcking up...

Im not sure you have all the details about his contract and all that but if you do please do let me know how much it would cost ?!

Besides, if im not wrong i think the thread is more about the managers performances (in footballing terms) and whether sacking him (regardless of the payoff) would be the best option for the club... As you say, the contract thing could be a stumbling block, but im sure the owners would find missing out on top spots and all the sponsorship, TV and merchandise money we'd miss out on a bigger worry than Rafas payout package ...

by **KennyisGod....still** » Mon Jan 11, 2010 12:08 am

not sure they would ace if it meant partin with their own wedge.

no, i dunno the ins an outs of the contracts any more than what i read, and mayb alotta thats bull, but it wudnt be cheap to sack him, evry1 else and then bring in new people would it? to say nothin of then givin the new guy transfer fundin too.

i'm off to bed now, otherwise i wont be up tomoz and it'll be me without no money!

by **account deleted by request** » Mon Jan 11, 2010 12:08 am

NANNY RED wrote:OK is this good enough for you Ace , i believe in Rafa, Father Christmas and the tooth fairy thats all no talk of any buissiness there

and the Easter bunny ?

by **Kopite-Jud** » Mon Jan 11, 2010 12:09 am

what we need is investment, why do people come in with mega bids for manchester City why cant we get investment like this? we get two :censored:

who will give us nothing to work with, its not the manager that needs to go its Hicks and Gillet we have 3-4 players who are world class, some are liabilities with the money and backing i think Benitez is the right guy :angry:

by **roberto green** » Mon Jan 11, 2010 12:18 am

Kopite-Jud wrote:what we need is investment, why do people come in with mega bids for manchester City why cant we get investment like this? we get two who will give us nothing to work with, its not the manager that needs to go its Hicks and Gillet we have 3-4 players who are world class, some are liabilities with the money and backing i think Benitez is the right guy

Totally agree mate but were a dying breed now.on this forum anyway

by **NANNY RED** » Mon Jan 11, 2010 12:36 am

s@int wrote:
NANNY RED wrote:OK is this good enough for you Ace , i believe in Rafa, Father Christmas and the tooth fairy thats all no talk of any buissiness there

and the Easter bunny ?

Stop changing my posts you, , :;):

by **Lando_Griffin** » Mon Jan 11, 2010 2:36 am

aCe' wrote:Cant see Gerrard and Torres leaving...

From what i understand of that article S@int posted, I think the owners have some money to spend and they made Rafa aware of that, but they seem to have told Rafa that any offers will have to go through them first... dont think they trust Rafa in the transfer market and given his record it's hard to fault them for doing that.. If we had a director of football or someone who was responsible for transfers the past few season we would have sacked him by now (fcking Parry !).. I still expect us to pay decent money on another transfer before the window closes though...

Compare Rafa's transfers with the almighty Ferguson, then repeat your post without lying through your teeth.

by **bigmick** » Mon Jan 11, 2010 3:44 am

Why would you want anyone to do that though Lando? Given that we have spent more both gross and net on players since Rafa arrived at Liverpool than Man Utd have, Surely the comparison wouldn't be favourable to our manager

Even since last season when we were four points behind them in second, they lost Christiano Ronaldo and Carlos Tevez and replaced them Michael Owen and Antonio Valencia at a net gain of 62 million pounds. We lost Alvarro Arbeloa and Xabi Alonso, replacing them with Glen Johnson and Alberto Aquilani, making a net slightly worse than break even. Reasonable to assume then that we'd be closer to them than we currently are? I think so, no?

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