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by **account deleted by request** » Sun Jan 10, 2010 8:14 pm

muzza798 wrote:I dont think it would be a disaster selling Torres and Gerrard. Yh, aset back but with the 100-150 mil we'd have we could get about 6 or 7 really really good players which would give us depth. Ok maybe we wouldnt have Torres but we'd have 3 very good strikers and instead of Gerrard we'd prob have Mata + 2 or 3 other attacking players and maybe a good 10 mil defender.

We have tried the quantity over quality approach mate.......and it didn't work. I think we need quality players, we just need to prioratise where we need them most. Selling your best players is never the receipe for success.

by **aCe'** » Sun Jan 10, 2010 8:24 pm

s@int wrote:
bavlondon wrote:Just to touch on the fullback part who else could he have gone for? Arby was dead set on going anyway so he forced Rafa to go out and get someone quick. We don't have any other options there aside from Degen.

Maybe if we hadn't wasted £7million on a left back in Dossena we could have got a half decent right back instead?

I think we could have snatched Richards last season for around £7million..... obviously money is the least of Citeh's concerns now.

This is what annoys me though Bav, there must be plenty of talent in the lower divisions that doesn't even get looked at anymore. Maybe for once we could have picked up a bargain rather than paying top dollar or buying foreign.

And who's fault is it that our only alternative was an injury prone Degen ?

CORLUKA ...

You get Rafa sacked S@int and ill get to working on that time machine

by **NANNY RED** » Sun Jan 10, 2010 9:45 pm

muzza798 wrote:I dont think it would be a disaster selling Torres and Gerrard. Yh, aset back but with the 100-150 mil we'd have we could get about 6 or 7 really really good players which would give us depth. Ok maybe we wouldnt have Torres but we'd have 3 very good strikers and instead of Gerrard we'd prob have Mata + 2 or 3 other attacking players and maybe a good 10 mil defender.

Hello Tom. or is George your name.

Lets see the fans reaction if this happens ey

by **bigmick** » Sun Jan 10, 2010 9:58 pm

As far as signings are concerned, just about the whole forum was clamouring for Arshavin about two seasons ago. A couple were even clamouring for him before the rest of us had even heard of him. Arsenal ended up signing him for 14 million quid. He's quite good as well you've got to give him that. He drifts in and out of pockets, very much like a bloke who we've just paid 17 million quid for. He knocks a lovely pass just like our fella as well. The only difference I can see is that Arshavin scores and makes lots of goals, neither of them are upto much defensively. Oh and Arshavin can play against most everyone as well, you aren't restricted to playing him only against Wolves at Home. He generally stays fit too.

In midfield we've had to use/endure Kuyt, Aurelio, Lucas, Dossena etc etc because we had no alternative. Spurs used to have that Modric bloke but he gets injured every five minutes so they needed a credible alternative. Nico Kranjaar anyone for 2 million quid? They were a bit like we are now as well in that they were short of strikers, so they bought Peter Crouch. They even took a punt on Robbie Keane as well as trousering an 8 million quid profit. They needed a centre half who was good in the air, young and quick. They bought that Sebastian Bassong bloke for 5 million quid. As ace pointed out they picked up Corluka last season, and they needed a goalscorer so they bought Jermaine Defoe for 15 mill.

Players are out there if you look.

by **Benny The Noon** » Sun Jan 10, 2010 10:10 pm

Well lets see where spurs end up this season - no doubt i can put my hat on it that they will finish below us once again - so for all their good buys they still arent good enough .

by **bigmick** » Sun Jan 10, 2010 10:18 pm

Once again there is an issue of ambition with "believers". To be totally honest, where Spurs finish should be completely irrelevent to Liverpool fans, it is only an issue this season that through chronic mismanagement of the club (by both the owners and the manager) we find ourselves below them. I am merely using the example of Spurs to illustrate that in order to improve football teams, you have to buy players who are better than the ones you already have, and mould them into a better team.

Although at this juncture it would be very nice to finsih above Spurs, it's whether or not we were going to finish ahead of manchester United now they didn't have Ronaldo or Tevez anymore, or whether or not we could finish above Arsenal again, now they didn't have Kolo Toure or Emanuel Adebayor anymore, or whether or not we could finish ahead of Chelsea like we did last season which was more my concern at the campaigns outset.

The fact that I now can't decide whether Birmingham drawing with Manchester United was a good result for us or not says it all really. On the one hand it dents Man U's attempts to incredibly win the league even thoguh they are no better than an average team, on the other the point Birmingham gained will make it harder for us to finish above them. How goalposts move.

by **aCe'** » Sun Jan 10, 2010 10:21 pm

Benny The Noon wrote:Well lets see where spurs end up this season - no doubt i can put my hat on it that they will finish below us once again - so for all their good buys they still arent good enough .

If Tottenham had Gerrard in their side, they'd be major contenders and would probably be much closer to the top than we are..

by **Benny The Noon** » Sun Jan 10, 2010 10:22 pm

Im sorry but where did i mention anything of ambition or any of the other believer bullsh.it you trott out on a regular basis .
You mention spurs buying all these players that we could of picked other the last couple of years yet those same players that we could of picked have finished below us on regular occasions and will do once again this season .

No goal posts have been moved and maybe its time to give all this belivers cr.ap a rest as it spoils any decent point you may well try to put across .

As we can all see this season is far from anywhere near over and despite us playing so poorely so far we are still within touching distance of the top clubs so anything can still happen from here on in - all teams will drop points and their is more twists and turns to come yet .

by **Benny The Noon** » Sun Jan 10, 2010 10:23 pm

aCe' wrote:
Benny The Noon wrote:Well lets see where spurs end up this season - no doubt i can put my hat on it that they will finish below us once again - so for all their good buys they still arent good enough .

If Tottenham had Gerrard in their side, they'd be major contenders and would probably be much closer to the top than we are..

But they dont - so the point means nothing .

by **bigmick** » Sun Jan 10, 2010 10:37 pm

Benny you ought to consider calming down during debates on football. You seem to be on the verge of losing it all the time.

As far as Spurs are concerned, this time last season Redknapp was trying to pick the team off the bottom of the league (well he'd already done it to be exact but you get my point) whereas we were challenging for the title. Since then, they've fairly obviously improved and we've fairly obviously gone backwards. Now there are no doubt many reasons for that, and I've equally no doubt it would suit many people on here if we could say "it's the owners, innit?", but my suspicion is that the fact they have bought players who were better then the ones they already had and moulded them into a better team is probably the chief reason.

It may console you that "Arsenal haven't won anything for ages either" or "but we'll finish above Spurs", but I have higher ambitions than that, at least in the longer term.

by **KennyisGod....still** » Sun Jan 10, 2010 10:41 pm

i'm still not seein much constructiv stuff here, nothin to make me think "good idea, we could work on that". seein plenty of hindsight opinion, what we could hav done, where we could be etc....

what worries me is the potential business plan that may raise its head at the end of the season. we all know Rafa's got a huge contract, his backroom staff have all got re-negotiated deals that'd cost an arm an a leg to finish em, an we're in debt to our eyeballs with no money comin from our keepers. now we hear tales that our 2 biggest assets could indeed be sold to help re-finance the club. a while ago Rafa stated (apparently) if Nando or Gerrard were sold he'd walk away...... see where i'm goin with this business plan..... Rafa walks, we dont pay a penny. where he walks to, he chases the backroom boys...... no pay off for them either, if anythin we get compo from whoeva takes them. meanwhile the club doesn't replace Torres and Gerrard but uses the money for interest payments and the likes of Klinsmann get approached to take us over. startin to sound good? thort not, but if what we hear in the gutter press is true, then it may not be too far from a possibility.

could it?

by **bigmick** » Sun Jan 10, 2010 10:43 pm

It's also interesting but predictable that a post which talks about the signings which it is possible to make without breaking the bank, is answered with a "but we'll finish above them so it makes no difference" retort. There is much guessing as to why people don't post as much as they used to, but I can only speak for myself when I say it is this type of nonsense which bores me to distraction. I actually think Birmingham are an excellent example of a well managed team who have used their resources cleverly as well, but I suppose the fact that we'll finish above them renders it irrelevent. Fulham ditto.

So desperate are people to deflect and smother any criticism which they see coming the way of the manager, that they leap on posts which don't even mention him, sad really.

by **NANNY RED** » Sun Jan 10, 2010 10:51 pm

KennyisGod....still wrote:i'm still not seein much constructiv stuff here, nothin to make me think "good idea, we could work on that". seein plenty of hindsight opinion, what we could hav done, where we could be etc....

what worries me is the potential business plan that may raise its head at the end of the season. we all know Rafa's got a huge contract, his backroom staff have all got re-negotiated deals that'd cost an arm an a leg to finish em, an we're in debt to our eyeballs with no money comin from our keepers. now we hear tales that our 2 biggest assets could indeed be sold to help re-finance the club. a while ago Rafa stated (apparently) if Nando or Gerrard were sold he'd walk away...... see where i'm goin with this business plan..... Rafa walks, we dont pay a penny. where he walks to, he chases the backroom boys...... no pay off for them either, if anythin we get compo from whoeva takes them. meanwhile the club doesn't replace Torres and Gerrard but uses the money for interest payments and the likes of Klinsmann get approached to take us over. startin to sound good? thort not, but if what we hear in the gutter press is true, then it may not be too far from a possibility.

could it?

oh its a possibility alright ,

How much money have we recouped so far in Jan, im being serious, Voronin, Dossena,
We could also get some revenue in from Babel.

Lets just see how much of it is spent on mediocre players, ,

Im waiting to see if we spend all of it

by **aCe'** » Sun Jan 10, 2010 11:16 pm

everyones a business analyst all of a sudden ...

what happened to replying to a football related post with another football related post rather than discussing club politics and business plans...

To be honest id be very very surprised if the players discuss the owners and our finances half as much as we do...

I realize that the uncertainty surrounding our finances and all that are adding a bit of pressure on our manager to perform to the expected standards, but for people to seriously blame our owners for our shortcomings on the pitch given all the money they've allowed him to spend in the last few seasons and given the fact that they've given him his much publicized contract with all that extra control he's demanded and all that is just plain ridiculous...

by **roberto green** » Sun Jan 10, 2010 11:23 pm

aCe' wrote:everyones a business analyst all of a sudden ...

what happened to replying to a football related post with another football related post rather than discussing club politics and business plans...

To be honest id be very very surprised if the players discuss the owners and our finances half as much as we do...

I realize that the uncertainty surrounding our finances and all that are adding a bit of pressure on our manager to perform to the expected standards, but for people to seriously blame our owners for our shortcomings on the pitch given all the money they've allowed him to spend in the last few seasons and given the fact that they've given him his much publicized contract with all that extra control he's demanded and all that is just plain ridiculous...

Is your name Tom Hicks by any chance

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