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Postby SouthCoastShankly » Tue Jan 05, 2010 2:48 pm

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Judge wrote:if they introduce sharia law in this country, then we are another step nearer islamification of the UK, and that is unacceptable.

that is not racist, its a fact.

If islam became the dominent religion in this country (tbh, birth rates amongst muslims is higher than christian births), then the queen would be ousted from the throne. Our heritage would be destroyed. I would not want a muslim prime minister in this country, with the queen at the head of the church, you should be of christian religion to run this country.

i am not racist in my comments

you certainly aren't Judge but these days its too easy to be labelled as such. I won't even say things like this to my mates at Uni because their immediate response is calling me racist. I agree with you btw.

How long before we become an ethnic minority in our own country?

I totally agree. I harbour no racists feelings to anyone. I have friends of all races.

But what I try very hard not to do is allow my feelings towards extremists views to develop into feelings shared by such scum like the BNP.

The BNP ride on discontent within the public about such matters in this thread, the problem is the BNP stand for more than a unified Britain - they stand for a world similar to what the Nazi's wanted. An ethnic cleansing.

I predominantly blame Labour and their immigration policies that have allowed this sentiment to grow and effectively fund the BNP.

BNP do not stand for ethnic cleansing at all

eveyone has the right to change policies for the better. Yes when the NF was around they would proudly shout that, but in recent times BNp policy has changed, and that is their democratic right to do so.

there are many things wrong with current party politics, like in labour, tory or liberal, but everyone jumps on the BNP... perhaps they are getting a raw deal from past policies

i mean, germany slaughtered the Jews, but they are running europe now - no one says owt about that. they have been forgiven their past sins, so should the BNP. Otherwise we do not live in a democratic society.
Racism rules this land, what i mean is, that folk to easily shout your racist. that has to stop. they are the dominent force in this country. everything is moulded around minorities to ensure they are not disadvantaged

whay is that? what happened to majority feeling. thats part of democracy. we are a weak society now. Our laws mean nothing, as we are forced to do things that may not be what we want. I have many foreign friends, but i will not be forced by anyone to like someone, just coz its racist not too

if i dont like someone, its not because of their colour, its coz they are a [email]tw@t...thats[/email] it

we need to get to grips with immigration, stop third party marriages of convenience, and spend time getting the 2 million homeless in this country fed and kept warm first, and fu'ck everyone else.

i would cut foreign spending for 5 years, stop immigration indefinately, and not give anyone any money that doesnt deserve some - ie: pay your stamp and u get fed

foreign wasters will be ousted from the UK, unless returning them to their own country would cause their demise. i wouldnt return anyone, if they were to be killed due to ethnic racism in their own country.

spend mone on education, health reforms, and the armed forces. Ensure Britains voice in once again heard in the world, and reduce ties with the USA, to give us our autonomy back.
Withdraw from the EU, and invest in british manufacturing, which will reduce the cost of living over here.

thats for starters

anyone wanna vote for me ??

Let's not get ignorant here, the Germans did not attempt to exterminate the Jews. It was the Nazi party, who happened to be German.

I assume from your defence that you support BNP? If not, apologies, if so - here are some irrefutable facts (Rafa style), that are current views of the BNP -

* The BNP requires all citizens to be of the "Indigenous Caucasian" racial group. Any other race (non-white) regardless of if they have been born and raised in the UK cannot be classed as a British citizen.

* The BNP are opposed to all inter-racial marriages and births, describing such acts as destroying the white gene pool.

* The BNP is opposed to allowing British Army Gurkhas the right of settlement in the United Kingdom.  Nick Griffin famously told Sky News if he could swap 100,000 al Qaeda-supporting Muslims for the Gurkhas it "would be a good exchange".

* The BNP deny the Holocaust, Nick Griffin once said - "I am well aware that orthodox opinion is that six million Jews were gassed and cremated or turned into soup and lampshades. I have reached the conclusion that the 'extermination' tale is a mixture of Allied wartime propaganda, extremely profitable lie, and latter witch-hysteria"

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Anyone who tries to tell me that the BNP are not racist are either liars or fucking clueless.
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Postby tonyeh » Tue Jan 05, 2010 3:00 pm

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Judge wrote:i mean, germany slaughtered the Jews, but they are running europe now - no one says owt about that. they have been forgiven their past sins, so should the BNP. Otherwise we do not live in a democratic society.

it wasn't really the germans as a nation that slaughtered the jews (and millions of others), it was the leaders and the followers of the fanatically extremist right wing party that was in power at the time. i'm fairly sure that if a similar party tried to regain power these days then quite a lot would be said about it. in fact i believe the german consitution has a provision which can ban neo-nazi parties form being politically active.

any political body that tries to curb the freedoms and rights of whatever people is, in my opinion, acting wrongly. whether that is the british goverment whittling away the rights of the british people themselves, or refusing the right to a dignified existence for the immigrants it admits, its the same thing.

Actually, it was a minority of that "fanatically extremist right wing party" that fashioned and engineered the mechanics for extermination.

The vast majority of National Socialist followers (even the anti-semitic ones) were blissfully unaware of what was happening in their Country's name.

And no, such a party will probably never exist again.

However, the nazi bogeyman taunt is bandied about with such ease these days whenever someone wants to shock. It's lost all real meaning a long time ago, but it remains a very potent verbal weapon in the fight against the free discussion of ideas.

In any case, I believe Britain is dead orat least dying. It's lost it's heart. The British don't know who the hell they are any more and things are only going to get worse. Although the BNP aren't the answer, Britain seriously needs to address where the good ship "Great Britain" is going in its future.
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Postby SouthCoastShankly » Tue Jan 05, 2010 3:38 pm

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Judge wrote:i mean, germany slaughtered the Jews, but they are running europe now - no one says owt about that. they have been forgiven their past sins, so should the BNP. Otherwise we do not live in a democratic society.

it wasn't really the germans as a nation that slaughtered the jews (and millions of others), it was the leaders and the followers of the fanatically extremist right wing party that was in power at the time. i'm fairly sure that if a similar party tried to regain power these days then quite a lot would be said about it. in fact i believe the german consitution has a provision which can ban neo-nazi parties form being politically active.

any political body that tries to curb the freedoms and rights of whatever people is, in my opinion, acting wrongly. whether that is the british goverment whittling away the rights of the british people themselves, or refusing the right to a dignified existence for the immigrants it admits, its the same thing.

Actually, it was a minority of that "fanatically extremist right wing party" that fashioned and engineered the mechanics for extermination.

The vast majority of National Socialist followers (even the anti-semitic ones) were blissfully unaware of what was happening in their Country's name.

And no, such a party will probably never exist again.

However, the nazi bogeyman taunt is bandied about with such ease these days whenever someone wants to shock. It's lost all real meaning a long time ago, but it remains a very potent verbal weapon in the fight against the free discussion of ideas.

In any case, I believe Britain is dead orat least dying. It's lost it's heart. The British don't know who the hell they are any more and things are only going to get worse. Although the BNP aren't the answer, Britain seriously needs to address where the good ship "Great Britain" is going in its future.

Good post. It is true that Britain has lost a lot of core values over the years. Many of these core values are being resurrected by groups such as the BNP. They want to reignite national pride.

BUT...

Groups such as the BNP use these policies to mask over the real motive, as I stated previously. Let's not forget as you said the vast majority of the German race were oblivious to the atrocities being performed by the Nazi Party. Yet they still voted them into power based on the promise of a new Germany.

In that sense the BNP are as dangerous as the Nazi Party were. Wishful thoughts of a cleaner, less culturally diverse Britain could soon become another Holocaust if they were given power. This is why the BNP will never come to power.
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Postby andy_g » Tue Jan 05, 2010 4:00 pm

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Postby Judge » Tue Jan 05, 2010 4:01 pm

SCS - i do not support the BNP. but i support democracy and peoples right to an opinion.

what i dont support is, that we continuely make allowances and throw our taxpayers money at useless folk from overseas who dont want to contribute to society here, but would rather sponge of it, then moan that we are racist
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Postby Judge » Tue Jan 05, 2010 4:06 pm

can anyone answer this - what does it mean to be british ??

base your answers on the knowledge of the history of our nation
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Postby SouthCoastShankly » Tue Jan 05, 2010 5:12 pm

For me being British is living in a country that respects the things that make us unique. Enjoying things that are inherently British and our part of our heritage.

I.e.

The Monarchy
The British Pound (being independent from Europe)
The Pub
The BBC
The British football culture
Moaning about another lost summer
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Postby Sabre » Tue Jan 05, 2010 6:00 pm

The Pub
The BBC
The British football culture


The guys sinking our galleons in the XVII were not British then, as they did nothing of this.  :p

It's a complex question the one of identity.
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Postby tonyeh » Tue Jan 05, 2010 6:10 pm

SouthCoastShankly wrote:
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andy_g wrote:
Judge wrote:i mean, germany slaughtered the Jews, but they are running europe now - no one says owt about that. they have been forgiven their past sins, so should the BNP. Otherwise we do not live in a democratic society.

it wasn't really the germans as a nation that slaughtered the jews (and millions of others), it was the leaders and the followers of the fanatically extremist right wing party that was in power at the time. i'm fairly sure that if a similar party tried to regain power these days then quite a lot would be said about it. in fact i believe the german consitution has a provision which can ban neo-nazi parties form being politically active.

any political body that tries to curb the freedoms and rights of whatever people is, in my opinion, acting wrongly. whether that is the british goverment whittling away the rights of the british people themselves, or refusing the right to a dignified existence for the immigrants it admits, its the same thing.

Actually, it was a minority of that "fanatically extremist right wing party" that fashioned and engineered the mechanics for extermination.

The vast majority of National Socialist followers (even the anti-semitic ones) were blissfully unaware of what was happening in their Country's name.

And no, such a party will probably never exist again.

However, the nazi bogeyman taunt is bandied about with such ease these days whenever someone wants to shock. It's lost all real meaning a long time ago, but it remains a very potent verbal weapon in the fight against the free discussion of ideas.

In any case, I believe Britain is dead orat least dying. It's lost it's heart. The British don't know who the hell they are any more and things are only going to get worse. Although the BNP aren't the answer, Britain seriously needs to address where the good ship "Great Britain" is going in its future.

Good post. It is true that Britain has lost a lot of core values over the years. Many of these core values are being resurrected by groups such as the BNP. They want to reignite national pride.

BUT...

Groups such as the BNP use these policies to mask over the real motive, as I stated previously. Let's not forget as you said the vast majority of the German race were oblivious to the atrocities being performed by the Nazi Party. Yet they still voted them into power based on the promise of a new Germany.

In that sense the BNP are as dangerous as the Nazi Party were. Wishful thoughts of a cleaner, less culturally diverse Britain could soon become another Holocaust if they were given power. This is why the BNP will never come to power.

Not necessarily Southcoast. The National Socialists were not voted into power. Hitler was made Chancelor by the aging Bismark and as such his party gained majority control of the Reichstag. In actual fact the nazi vote return was reducing, just before Hitler got to power. the nazis never had a majority vote.

Also, the nazi's rode the crest of a wave in post 1929 crash Germany. A country which was the most crippled in Europe (possibly the world) in terms of economy. There really wasn't any other choice, but the National Socialists for many German voters. in many respects, after the failure of Weimar, it came down to them or the Communists.

Britain, for all it's problems, is nowhere near the extreme depths that Germany found itself in in 1933 and subsequently the BNP are not about to suddenly become the party of the day any time soon. Sure, there are people of all political persuasions who may find some of their ideas laudable. Their are positive ideas from all parties. But the vast majority of people, when they look into the party as a whole are in disagreement with them. Hell, even the nazis had positive ideas.

However, I do get tired of the nazi/BNP comparison. It's ridiculous and very invalid one and I actually think it's dangerous in many ways to keep playing that silly card. It makes people thnk that they've been lied to when they check the party out and find that they are nothing like what they think the nazis are.

Also invalid is the holocaust/BNP policies slant. The nazis didn't set out to destroy the Jews of Europe from day one. The war brought them to that conclusion. It "worked out" that way. Nobody in the nazi party was thinking final solution in 1933. Likewise, I doubt the BNP would contemplate what the nazis contemplated in late 1941. Besides, there isn't a hope in hell for the BNP to put something like that into action. The world is a much smaller place today, it would simply be impossible to get away with it.

And don't worry...the BNP will always remain a fringe party, even if there are disillusioned Labour and Conservative voters opening their ears more to what they have to say. However, that doesn't mean that Britain doesn't need more parties in it political system. Like America, Britain is still really a two party system and that's a fake democracy as far as I'm concerned. The stronger the Lib Dems become, the better the political area becomes, even if I'm not a fan personally.
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Postby Greavesie » Tue Jan 05, 2010 6:14 pm

Judge wrote:can anyone answer this - what does it mean to be british ??

base your answers on the knowledge of the history of our nation

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Postby Madmax » Wed Jan 06, 2010 1:17 am

Judge wrote:can anyone answer this - what does it mean to be british ??

base your answers on the knowledge of the history of our nation

drinking and feckin  :D

You always in gay bars so feck knows what you are!  :laugh:
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Postby Kharhaz » Wed Jan 06, 2010 3:14 am

Judge wrote:can anyone answer this - what does it mean to be british ??

base your answers on the knowledge of the history of our nation

Heres a better one, what does it mean to be English?
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Postby JoeTerp » Wed Jan 06, 2010 3:16 am

Judge wrote:can anyone answer this - what does it mean to be british ??

base your answers on the knowledge of the history of our nation

someone who comes from one of the British Isles, more specifically the Isle of Great Britain.
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Postby made in UK » Wed Jan 06, 2010 5:47 am

Kharhaz wrote:
Judge wrote:can anyone answer this - what does it mean to be british ??

base your answers on the knowledge of the history of our nation

Heres a better one, what does it mean to be English?

To celebrate St Patricks day by drinking loads of Guiness and having no idea when St. Georges day is, let or lone celebrate it.
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Postby Number 9 » Wed Jan 06, 2010 7:51 am

JoeTerp wrote:
Judge wrote:can anyone answer this - what does it mean to be british ??

base your answers on the knowledge of the history of our nation

someone who comes from one of the British Isles, more specifically the Isle of Great Britain.

:no

Not more specifically the Isle of Great Britain!

I'll have you know that people in Northern Ireland are NOT part of Great Britain but are part of the United Kingdom and are as equally British as anyone from England,Scotland or Wales! :nod

Sure what would you know anyway you Canadian you!
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