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Postby spion » Thu Dec 24, 2009 11:59 am

Goalkeeper, Sander Westerveld

Westerveld was dealt something of a double :censored: punch in 2001, when Gerard Houllier decided to buy in two new goalkeepers, Dudek and Kirkland. He took the hint and buggered off. Before that, however, he’d enjoyed two pretty decent years at Anfield, not least the one where they won all of the cups, except the really big one. They got that a few years later.

Right Back, Vegard Heggem

Poor luckless Heggem looked magnificent when he started for Liverpool. He had pace by the bucketload. Unfortunately he was dealt a cruel card by Lady Luck, and kept doing in his hamstring. He eventually retired in 2003, and now runs a salmon fishing business in Norway. True story.

Centre Back, Sami Hyypia

Probably the second greatest footballer from Finland, after fellow Liverpool alumni Jari Litmanen, and almost definitely the best defensive buy in recent Liverpool history, Hyypia arrived at the club as a complete unknown in 1999, then received a very warm ovation during a tearful farewell in May. Job done.
Centre Back, Stephane Henchoz

For the first part of the Millennium, many would argue that Hyypia and Henchoz provided one of football’s great defensive partnerships. Unfortunately, the moment Benitez thought to try Carragher out at centre back, it pretty much spelt curtains for the Swiss. He then took a short tour of Celtic, Wigan and his old stomping ground, Blackburn.

Left Back, Dominic Matteo

Only eight months after this match, Matteo left Liverpool to join Leeds. He’d been at the club for about eight years. Interestingly, after a cap for the England B team, he then went on to represent Scotland. Is that allowed?

Right Midfield, Jamie Carragher

In his early days at Liverpool, Carragher stood out for two reasons. Firstly, because his post-match interviews sounded exactly like a man standing in front of you hacking, snorting, coughing, and relentlessly clearing his throat. Secondly, because he was a “utility player”, often found plugging gaps all over the pitch. Now, of course, he’s a bona fide centre back, and the world has since realised that the hacking and snorting is just his way of talking to people.

Centre Midfield, Dietmar Hamann

Alongside the likes of Boris Becker and Natassja Kinski, Hamann is yet another in a growing list of Germans that the nation has taken to their collective hearts. What a player he was for Liverpool - many would argue that during his time at the club he was just as/if not more important than Alonso was last year. He left in 2006 to visit Man City for a bit, and can now be found expressing his views in various television studios.

Centre Midfield, Steven Gerrard

Back in 2000, Gerrard’s career was in its infancy, as he became the latest teenage sensation at Anfield, and he was still about six months away from his first England cap. Fast forward ten years, and he was just named in Fifa’s World Team of the Year. Not bad going.

Left Midfield, Patrik Berger

Berger had a topsy-turvy career at Liverpool between 1996 and 2003, and he even managed to ruffle kindly little Roy Evans’ feathers by not being team-minded enough. Still, when he was good, he was brilliant. He can now be found occasionally dusting down his scoring slippers for Sparta Prague.

Forward, Vladimir Smicer

Bought in 1999 to plug the McManaman-shaped hole in the side, Smicer, like Berger, was another Czech who endured a bumpy Liverpool ride. However, all incosistencies were surely forgiven on that fateful evening in Istanbul when he came on to replace Kewell, scored a goal, then pulled another one out of the bag during the penalties. Now works with the Czech national team.

Forward, Titi Camara

Camara only managed to stay at Liverpool for one year, but he still made something of an impression on the fans. So much so that they voted him into their Top 100 Liverpool Players of all time. He was, like, 91st or something. Has since taken a tour of other football clubs - including West Ham - and has dipped a toe into management.
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Postby maypaxvobiscum » Thu Dec 24, 2009 12:38 pm

Westerveld < Reina
i really did like the Dutch but it all went wrong for him when he got on the wrong side of GH.

Matteo < Aurelio
Matteo wasnt really a left back was he? i thought it was Riise?

Henchoz < Agger
the Dane is very much more mobile and has better stamina

Camara < Torres
no contest

Hamann > Mash
Hamann ahead of Mash for the simple reason that the German had so much class and composure. Mash talks too much for my liking he should learn to shut up sometimes instead of instigating the refs. and Hamann is more cool-headed too.

Berger > Riera
the thunderous left foot which has scored so many memorable goals. he creates and scores too. i would like to see Riera do that more often especially to take the load of Gerrard and Torres.

Smicer > Kuyt
Kuyt makes the Czech look like Messi. but no one in Liverpool has filled Macca's shoes sadly. he was in a league of his own.


im uncertain about Heggem though, i felt he had loads of potential so i find it hard to compare him with GJ for the time being. we still have JC and Gerrard with us today. in short, today's team is alot better however we severely lack depth.
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Postby Owzat » Thu Dec 24, 2009 2:07 pm

Max - I thought we signed Riise in 2000 or 2001, I'm pretty sure he isn't in LMA 1999. Matteo was a CB who was used at LB

Harsh on Henchoz, he was a good CB in his day and formed a solid partnership with Hyypia. I think we're improved obviously in some areas like GK and CF, but overall is the current squad that much better? Probably not, in fact the combined XI would probably be half and half
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Postby Boocity » Thu Dec 24, 2009 2:14 pm

Was the LB Staunton or Bjornebye?
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Postby Owzat » Thu Dec 24, 2009 2:45 pm

Boocity wrote:Was the LB Staunton or Bjornebye?

I think we had three options, Bjornebye, Staunton and Matteo
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Postby maypaxvobiscum » Thu Dec 24, 2009 5:51 pm

Owzat wrote:
Boocity wrote:Was the LB Staunton or Bjornebye?

I think we had three options, Bjornebye, Staunton and Matteo

good point. and all 3 of them had less injury issues then Aurelio.

i felt today's team is better compared to the older team because players like JC and SG had grown in stature. otherwise, i would agree with Owzat that the best team with the players mentioned would be a mixed of both. something like this:

                           Reina

Heggem    Carragher    Hyypia     Aurelio

Benayoun    Hamann   Gerrard    Berger

              Torres            Smicer
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Postby Greavesie » Thu Dec 24, 2009 6:02 pm

Reina

Johnson    Hyypia    Henchoz    Aurelio

Benny     Hamman Masch  Berger

                   Gerrard

                   Torres

IMO the best of Gerrard comes behind Torres. Hyypia and Henchoz were easily the best partnership of the decade for us. Johnson will prove to be the best RB of the choices we have here. There's not much to choose from for either wing and there's still only one really decent striker. Oh and I had to include Masch :)
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Postby Owzat » Fri Dec 25, 2009 9:44 am

The squads combined from LMA 99 and FIFA 2000 were :

GK Westerveld, Nielsen, Friedel
DF Matteo, Carragher, Staunton, Hyypia, Henchoz, Bjornebye, Heggem, Song
MF Redknapp, Murphy, Thompson, Gerrard, Smicer, Berger, Hamann
CF Owen, Fowler, Riedle, Camara, Meijer

FIFA 2000 was much the same squad as LMA 99, only 18 instead of 22. Owen (2004) and Fowler (2001) both left post-2000, not sure why you'd go with Smicer and Camara unless you wanted to make the current team look good, assuming the list is of the TEAM of the first game post 1999 then it would be unfair to pick from that line-up alone. Personally I would go with

GK REINA (RB)
RB Johnson (RB)
LB Carragher (GH)
CB HYYPIA (GH)
CB Agger (RB)
RM Kuyt (RB)
LM Berger (GH)
CM GERRARD (RB)
CM Hamann (GH)
CF OWEN (GH)
CF TORRES (RB)

So six from now, five from then. I could make a case for the Henchoz-Hyypia partnership which, in it's prime, was our best CB pairing for some time. I could have picked any one of 4-5 at LB and none fantastic. Fowler is unlucky to miss out, hard to leave out Torres or Owen from their respective eras. Johnson gets in for want of competition, Hamann in to provide balance although you could put in Mascherano. Berger could easily be replaced by Benayoun, but the bottom line is there are not that many "clear cut" options, Torres, Owen, Gerrard, Reina and Hyypia I think/hope most would agree would be the only dead certs ie only ones so much better than alternatives you'd be crazy to leave them out given their form in the respective eras - indicated by GH and RB rather than putting a year/season.

Subs would be a much better selection, even if you only had five. You could plonk Friedel or Westerveld on the bench as GK, you'd have four good CBs to choose from and one on the bench from those missing out, the likes of Murphy, Benayoun and Redknapp for midfielders and Fowler on the bench with N'Gog or maybe Smicer or Camara. It shows up that in over a decade we've still no great LB, RM or LM option. Berger was used as a LM in much the same way Yossi is now, with Kuyt also being used as a RM rather than being a RM. We had three choices, four if you count Carra, at LB, we have three now and they ain't great.

Anyone name all the LBs we've had/tried under Evans, Houllier and Benitez?
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Postby maypaxvobiscum » Fri Dec 25, 2009 11:57 am

LBs - Insua, Dosenna, Aurelio, Riise, Warnock, Traore, Staunton, Bjornebye, Matteo, Babb.
McAteer was a left fullback too if i remember correctly.
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Postby Owzat » Sat Dec 26, 2009 9:18 am

maypaxvobiscum wrote:LBs - Insua, Dosenna, Aurelio, Riise, Warnock, Traore, Staunton, Bjornebye, Matteo, Babb.
McAteer was a left fullback too if i remember correctly.

I thought McAteer was a midfielder that was used as a RB. Not sure Babb ever played LB, perhaps you mean Babbel and even then I'm not sure he played LB

Insua, Dossena, Aurelio, Riise, Warnock, Traore, Vignal, Staunton, Bjornebye, Carragher, Ziege, Matteo, Arbeloa - just 13 off the top of my head, I'm sure there are more, possibly Josemi. How many "made the position their own" ?

Arbeloa and Carra have both been used as LBs I'm sure, Carra when we played Henchoz, Hyypia as CBs and Babbel as RB, and Arbeloa when Finnan was still here (quite effective) I might have tried to persuade Arbeloa to stay by playing him at LB
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Postby maypaxvobiscum » Sat Dec 26, 2009 4:28 pm

yep im sure McAteer played on the left. ive never recalled Babbel being on the left though, always seemed to be on the right. oh and i forgot about Arby's majestic debut against Messi :D and Ziege. so thats around....15 players. i think the 2 who were most consistent came from Norway though Warnock is my personal fave.
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Postby Boocity » Sat Dec 26, 2009 5:58 pm

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