Sir Roger wrote:Reg wrote:He wanted to sell Alonso to buy Barry - true or false ?
The worst piece of business and the biggest gamble he ever got involved in.
To sell the classy, creative and loyal Alonso to buy the distinctly average Barry. It has been the root of Rafas and ultimately our problems. We are feeling the repercussions of that dreadful decision now.
how much did Zidane and Figo go for?
I'm not one to Google answers, but I know for certain that at the time, their prices were record breaking, certainly considering that they were in the later stages of their career. I think ZZ was sold for over 70 million to Real.
Emerald Red wrote:I was speaking of Euros, and it was close. Was actually 66 million Euro. In the current economic climate, that's a right chunk of change converting to pounds.
Emerald Red wrote:Are you taking the p*ss? Alonso loyal? Alonso is no villian by any stretch of the imagination, and he certainly gave us more than we were due by spending five years with us, but for a player to openly hand in his transfere request is not being loyal, particularly having made it clear some time before that he wanted to go back to Spain at some point in the near future, and yes, I am talking before the Barry fiasco. This is not conjecture either. This is a fact stated by players Alonso was closest to in the camp. Again, to use Alonso as the root of our problems is extremely narrow, and short minded. Alonso wanted to leave. Benitez brought the player in from Sociedad when he was relatively an unknown, moulded him into one of the most recognized holding players on the planet, and made three times the profit on what he bought him for and held out to get that simply because he was worth that price. If a player wishes to leave, there is nothing the manager can do other than get a good deal.
I remember at one time on this forum when the likes of Lando, Nanny etc etc constantly jumped to the defense of the Spaniard when he was often labelled as "not good enough" and "limited" by a certain party on here (can't remember specifically, but critisism was rife). I remember that the move for Barry being widely accepted by most, while other's, and some that I've mentioned, were critical of it and constantly stateing the importance of Alonso in the squad. So, now that Alonso is gone, I find it interesting that opinion has changed, and those that were slating Alonso are now saying that our current undoing is down to Benitez not keeping hold of him, and that he was our rock afterall? Some of you lot are more capricious than the weather these days.
Emerald Red wrote:Sir Roger wrote:Reg wrote:He wanted to sell Alonso to buy Barry - true or false ?
The worst piece of business and the biggest gamble he ever got involved in.
To sell the classy, creative and loyal Alonso to buy the distinctly average Barry. It has been the root of Rafas and ultimately our problems. We are feeling the repercussions of that dreadful decision now.
Are you taking the p*ss? Alonso loyal? Alonso is no villian by any stretch of the imagination, and he certainly gave us more than we were due by spending five years with us, but for a player to openly hand in his transfere request is not being loyal, particularly having made it clear some time before that he wanted to go back to Spain at some point in the near future, and yes, I am talking before the Barry fiasco. This is not conjecture either. This is a fact stated by players Alonso was closest to in the camp. Again, to use Alonso as the root of our problems is extremely narrow, and short minded. Alonso wanted to leave. Benitez brought the player in from Sociedad when he was relatively an unknown, moulded him into one of the most recognized holding players on the planet, and made three times the profit on what he bought him for and held out to get that simply because he was worth that price. If a player wishes to leave, there is nothing the manager can do other than get a good deal.
I remember at one time on this forum when the likes of Lando, Nanny etc etc constantly jumped to the defense of the Spaniard when he was often labelled as "not good enough" and "limited" by a certain party on here (can't remember specifically, but critisism was rife). I remember that the move for Barry being widely accepted by most, while other's, and some that I've mentioned, were critical of it and constantly stateing the importance of Alonso in the squad. So, now that Alonso is gone, I find it interesting that opinion has changed, and those that were slating Alonso are now saying that our current undoing is down to Benitez not keeping hold of him, and that he was our rock afterall? Some of you lot are more capricious than the weather these days.
s@int wrote:Emerald Red wrote:Are you taking the p*ss? Alonso loyal? Alonso is no villian by any stretch of the imagination, and he certainly gave us more than we were due by spending five years with us, but for a player to openly hand in his transfere request is not being loyal, particularly having made it clear some time before that he wanted to go back to Spain at some point in the near future, and yes, I am talking before the Barry fiasco. This is not conjecture either. This is a fact stated by players Alonso was closest to in the camp. Again, to use Alonso as the root of our problems is extremely narrow, and short minded. Alonso wanted to leave. Benitez brought the player in from Sociedad when he was relatively an unknown, moulded him into one of the most recognized holding players on the planet, and made three times the profit on what he bought him for and held out to get that simply because he was worth that price. If a player wishes to leave, there is nothing the manager can do other than get a good deal.
I remember at one time on this forum when the likes of Lando, Nanny etc etc constantly jumped to the defense of the Spaniard when he was often labelled as "not good enough" and "limited" by a certain party on here (can't remember specifically, but critisism was rife). I remember that the move for Barry being widely accepted by most, while other's, and some that I've mentioned, were critical of it and constantly stateing the importance of Alonso in the squad. So, now that Alonso is gone, I find it interesting that opinion has changed, and those that were slating Alonso are now saying that our current undoing is down to Benitez not keeping hold of him, and that he was our rock afterall? Some of you lot are more capricious than the weather these days.
Your missing the point though Emerald.
Rafa wanted to sell Alonso .....not for 3 times his price, but for between £14 and £16million when he was after Barry.
Rafa then replaced Alonso with an injured player that has played 45mins since he joined us.
Alonso had 2 good years out of 5 with us (I personally don't think he was that good in his first season either)
We EVENTUALLY got a good price for him, but before his last excellent season for us we couldn't get £15million for him.
My opinion of Alonso hasn't changed, I thought he was a good player who had two poor seasons on the trot before Rafa first tried to sell him.
I find it strange that people are trying to defend Rafa by talking about Barry rather than the injured player that Rafa paid almost double the price we could have got Barry for.
Sir Roger wrote:Emerald Red wrote:Sir Roger wrote:Reg wrote:He wanted to sell Alonso to buy Barry - true or false ?
The worst piece of business and the biggest gamble he ever got involved in.
To sell the classy, creative and loyal Alonso to buy the distinctly average Barry. It has been the root of Rafas and ultimately our problems. We are feeling the repercussions of that dreadful decision now.
Are you taking the p*ss? Alonso loyal? Alonso is no villian by any stretch of the imagination, and he certainly gave us more than we were due by spending five years with us, but for a player to openly hand in his transfere request is not being loyal, particularly having made it clear some time before that he wanted to go back to Spain at some point in the near future, and yes, I am talking before the Barry fiasco. This is not conjecture either. This is a fact stated by players Alonso was closest to in the camp. Again, to use Alonso as the root of our problems is extremely narrow, and short minded. Alonso wanted to leave. Benitez brought the player in from Sociedad when he was relatively an unknown, moulded him into one of the most recognized holding players on the planet, and made three times the profit on what he bought him for and held out to get that simply because he was worth that price. If a player wishes to leave, there is nothing the manager can do other than get a good deal.
I remember at one time on this forum when the likes of Lando, Nanny etc etc constantly jumped to the defense of the Spaniard when he was often labelled as "not good enough" and "limited" by a certain party on here (can't remember specifically, but critisism was rife). I remember that the move for Barry being widely accepted by most, while other's, and some that I've mentioned, were critical of it and constantly stateing the importance of Alonso in the squad. So, now that Alonso is gone, I find it interesting that opinion has changed, and those that were slating Alonso are now saying that our current undoing is down to Benitez not keeping hold of him, and that he was our rock afterall? Some of you lot are more capricious than the weather these days.
No I am not taking the. As far as I know Alonso was happy at Liverpool for the next 3-5 years before he left. If you have direct quotes from those close to him which contradict this then please enlighten me with the names and information. I personally always thought he was classy and reliable. Im not saying he was perfect and I agree he did want away. But I dont blame him for the way Rafa treated him. Didnt Gerrard hand in a transfer request? If so what does that make him?
I am not using Alonso as THE root of our problems. Youre right that would be narrow and short minded. I have said on many occasions that there are a host of reasons why we find ourselves in this predicament. Not just one
I have never thought or said that he wasnt good enough and I absolutely still believe he is twice the player that boring Barry will ever be, and did and still believe if we had him we would be better off than we are now.
So I am not one of "you lot" as I have been consistent and honest in my opinion of Alonso and sorry that he left
It was Gerrard that said he knew he wanted to leave for some time in an interview just after he'd gone. As for Steve handing in his transfere request, I'm fairly certain he'd have been well gone if it weren't for Benitez and that CL win. Gerrard was waiting on a call that never came, and at the time, that call was meant to come from Slick Rick. His usual antics.
So Alonso wasnt loyal because he wanted to go and did?
But Gerrard was loyal because he wanted to go but didnt?
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