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bigmick wrote:I think the real fans, the believers, the never say diers, the stander upperers should all take a collective bow. I applaud your stickability, your loyalty, your absolute refusal even in the face of irrefutable evidence to accept the glaringly obvious. I sincerely hope that should I ever be in the trenches and in need of support I get it off people of your ilk. Fans like yourselves really do prove the truism that Liverpool Football Club has the best fans in the world. They do, and I take my hat off to you.

That said, you've proved your point. I hear you, we're not like other football clubs, we're better and we stick up for our own and all that stuff. Enough though. You've proved your point but it's over. It's time to put aside the pictures of the manager in gold frames being held aloft in foreign bars, it's time to stop putting 'no?' at the end of each sentence, it's time to give up the "trust".

It's over. You know it in your heart of hearts and the issue which has divided the clubs supporters for the last few years has reached its resolution, it's now just a question of putting the whole thing behind us. It's OK.

kazza wrote:

bigmick wrote:I think the real fans, the believers, the never say diers, the stander upperers should all take a collective bow. I applaud your stickability, your loyalty, your absolute refusal even in the face of irrefutable evidence to accept the glaringly obvious. I sincerely hope that should I ever be in the trenches and in need of support I get it off people of your ilk. Fans like yourselves really do prove the truism that Liverpool Football Club has the best fans in the world. They do, and I take my hat off to you.

That said, you've proved your point. I hear you, we're not like other football clubs, we're better and we stick up for our own and all that stuff. Enough though. You've proved your point but it's over. It's time to put aside the pictures of the manager in gold frames being held aloft in foreign bars, it's time to stop putting 'no?' at the end of each sentence, it's time to give up the "trust".

It's over. You know it in your heart of hearts and the issue which has divided the clubs supporters for the last few years has reached its resolution, it's now just a question of putting the whole thing behind us. It's OK.

What a clueless post. Don't assume you know because you don't know what real "supporters" think. This shows you have zero class to say stupid things like your post after a heavy defeat like yesterday. You must be loving it!

NO CLASS!!

red37 wrote:Mick

Where does your rhetoric derive from? Its almost to the edge of 'sneering sarcasm' at times. Or as kazza has mentioned - gloating.

3 opinions which are probably valid at this juncture:

1. Supporters are willing to stick by Rafa and the club
2. Some may well be undecided either way
3. Vehemently wishing for change

I cannot fathom which of the above category your demeanor belongs in. Its quite plainly obvious that you 'lean' towards option 3.

But where is YOUR passion here?  If you wish to see the present manager changed, or if you are as fed up by the teams fortunes as we all are and feel it is necessary to 'rip it up and start again' - then state it. Plainly and to the point. No benefit is gained by seemingly rubbing it in, ah i told you so - anally pointing out, or taking the pi55 if you will - the mannerisms and such of Rafa.

I could understand, perhaps even empathise with your 'angle' if it were charged with a bit more 'blood and thunder' as opposed to this subtle 'sweet and sour' approach we get.  call it straight man, instead of pu55yfooting about. This aint the subject for long winded, flowery (sarcastic) prose...

The polar opposite of your approach is what you would be expecting to hear, when you might reside your opinion in option 3. Not by taking the pi55...or having a gloat.

Me? My view (should it matter, or be up for debate)? Im in option 2. And it saddens me to admit that much.
But, were i to be firmly of the opinion that Rafa needs to go...i'd be coming at it a bit more directly and with far more 'fire'.

Now as for this little 'side dish' concerning kazza and yourself, which is nicely simmering away again - lets knock that one on the head here and now. Ok with you kazza?

A couple of points in response to that and I'll start with this "side dish" to which you refer. I have done my best to deal with this particular poster over a period of more than two years, and I haven't posted a word in anger to him for some time now. I never ever respond to his posts, or to his Pm's. If you don't believe me, ask him. Now how I'm supposed to call off a feud which I don't participate in I'm not sure. I have no interest whatsoever in exchanging words with this particular poster, it just so happens that at least 90% of his posts either mention me by name or directly quote one of my efforts. I respond with the  every single time he mentions me, what else is there to do.


I'll leave it there for a minute and come back to the other stuff in a second so as not to make a ridiculously long post. Not for the first time though, I am being told to "leave it out" here when this is strictly one way traffic.

Whatever you think of him, me or anyone else, I have no intention of changing my stance with this particular poster. If it's not to your liking, there's not much I can do about it.

bigmick wrote:

red37 wrote:Mick

Where does your rhetoric derive from? Its almost to the edge of 'sneering sarcasm' at times. Or as kazza has mentioned - gloating.

3 opinions which are probably valid at this juncture:

1. Supporters are willing to stick by Rafa and the club
2. Some may well be undecided either way
3. Vehemently wishing for change

I cannot fathom which of the above category your demeanor belongs in. Its quite plainly obvious that you 'lean' towards option 3.

But where is YOUR passion here?  If you wish to see the present manager changed, or if you are as fed up by the teams fortunes as we all are and feel it is necessary to 'rip it up and start again' - then state it. Plainly and to the point. No benefit is gained by seemingly rubbing it in, ah i told you so - anally pointing out, or taking the pi55 if you will - the mannerisms and such of Rafa.

I could understand, perhaps even empathise with your 'angle' if it were charged with a bit more 'blood and thunder' as opposed to this subtle 'sweet and sour' approach we get.  call it straight man, instead of pu55yfooting about. This aint the subject for long winded, flowery (sarcastic) prose...

The polar opposite of your approach is what you would be expecting to hear, when you might reside your opinion in option 3. Not by taking the pi55...or having a gloat.

Me? My view (should it matter, or be up for debate)? Im in option 2. And it saddens me to admit that much.
But, were i to be firmly of the opinion that Rafa needs to go...i'd be coming at it a bit more directly and with far more 'fire'.

Now as for this little 'side dish' concerning kazza and yourself, which is nicely simmering away again - lets knock that one on the head here and now. Ok with you kazza?

Now to return to the other parts of your post. If you're seriously telling me that you are not sure where I stand visa vis the manager I'm amazed. I have been openly critical of him for years, I think his reign is turning into a disaster. All that b0ll0cks about "sneering sarcasm", feck off. What is "sneeringly sarcastic" about telling people that I admire their stickability? I do admire their stickability, how the feck do you or anyone else know that I'm being sarcastic?

My post was an acknowledgement that the fan base of this club is split down the middle by the manager, it is. It was saying to those who've backed him, fair play to you but we need to move on as a fan base and as a club, we do.

Where is my passion Fecking hell I've heard it all now I truly have. Just because when I get called a c... by groups of people, stalked by others and I don't respond I lack "passion"? Feck me.


Gloat my ersehole. What the feck is there to gloat about, we are fecking behind Birmingham in the league for fecks sake. People who come out with this sort of utter sh!t do my head in. They tell me I'm gloating and that all I'm interested in is being proven right, and all along they cling onto a bloke who is plainly fecking it up just because they are desperate to be vindicated in the final analysis. I couldn't give two fecks who is right and wrong, i just want the team to win. If we keep the manager because we can't afford to get rid of him and he stays into next season, I absolutely sincerely hope he suddenly strikes gold and all those who've stuck by him all this time get the chance to tell people like me to get fecked.

I want the team to win. If Rafa must be the manager, i hope he wins.



This whole thing smacks of the last time you "stepped in" to solve a spat between me and this poster and told us to "leave it out". The only difference is that this time he hasn't got his other two buddies with him. Passion? Don't make me fecking laugh.

red37 wrote: Not interested . My two-pennorth is written above - and its valid. You certainly do little to avoid projecting a negative and frankly, provocative stance on this. We are all pi55ed off - but id rather hear what people have to say thats raw and straight from the pit of their hearts than from their backsides.

Im not calling you a c*nt/Fake plassy fan/dildo salesman/publican/n'er do well....im calling you for this general 'tone' of acting f*cking cute all the time.


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