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Postby shanklygates » Fri Dec 18, 2009 4:58 pm

ITS OFFICIAL!!!

RAFA HAS RESIGNED!!!

just read it on www.billybullshit.com

only jokin...here's hopin though:p
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Postby Benny The Noon » Fri Dec 18, 2009 6:53 pm

Well Hiddink is now out of the equation .






http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/m/man_city/8420393.stm


Guus Huddink set for Russia deal despite Man City link
Guus Huddink
Hiddink has been linked with several big European clubs

Guus Huddink is set to sign a two-year extension as Russia's national manager despite being linked with Manchester City, his agent has told BBC 5 live.

City executive chairman Gary Cook asked about Hiddink's availability after his current deal runs out in August 2010, said agent Cees van Nieuwenhuizen.

But the club insist no approach has been made and they have no intention of hiring the former Chelsea boss.

City manager Mark Hughes has been under pressure after one win in 10 games.

Hiddink has been courted by several major clubs after Russia failed to qualify for the 2010 World Cup in South Africa.

"Gary gave me a call a couple of days ago and said 'would it make sense that we have a meeting to discuss the future of Guus Hiddink after his contract has finished?'" said Van Nieuwenhuizen.

"I said 'no, I don't think so' because Guus has a new contract offer from the Russian federation for two more years and there's no reason for Guus, or myself, to have an official conversation."

He said Hiddink was under contract with Russia until 1 August 2010.

"There is no reason for him to jump to something else, even if there was an opportunity," added the Dutch agent.

"He has been linked to other federations in the meantime. He has been linked to other clubs, if it's Manchester City or if it is Chelsea, or Juventus, but there is no reason.

"He left this morning for a holiday and he will think over his future. When he gets back mid-January he might have made up his mind.

"I expect him then to make a call to the Russian federation and say 'let's sign this contract for two more years."

Manchester City insisted they have made no approach for Hiddink and did not intend to bring him to Eastlands.

A two-year extension would see Hiddink through Russia's qualification campaign for the 2012 European Championship in Poland and Ukraine.
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Postby Boocity » Fri Dec 18, 2009 7:47 pm

Ciggy wrote:Guillam Balague

Why Liverpool are actually punching above their weight, despite what the critics are saying

Even the most pro-Rafa Benitez fans are losing faith and perhaps, on the surface, any other reaction appears illogical.

But what are the real reasons behind Liverpool’s decline? Results are the consequence of a complex set of circumstances behind the scenes, but the majority cannot see beyond the surface and what they wrongly perceive as simple failings at managerial level.

Voices in the media have decided in unison that Benitez is to blame and the Liverpool fans are starting to repeat that mantra – despite spending months accusing the press of an anti-Liverpool bias. Aside from the odd exception, the media is not anti-Rafa, nor are they to blame for the difficulties at Anfield. But they can lead opinion and have Benitez in their sights.

I’m afraid I cannot agree with the majority. Primarily, it’s worth remembering that Liverpool has one of the top managers in the world at the helm.


The figure of £280million that gets repeatedly churned out is deliberately misleading – and the fact is, Rafa has spent an average of £16m net for every year in charge at the club. It is absurd to think that Pep Guardiola or Jose Mourinho would be able to compete for a Premier League title with that expenditure.

I know for a fact that Mourinho is very well informed about the financial situation at Anfield: he knows that in order for Liverpool to compete at the top in the wealthiest league in the world, new investment is needed but there is nothing on the horizon. Consequently, it is neither an attractive proposition nor an option for Jose.

Liverpool has no money for January transfers, so Rafa’s target is to get key players - Gerrard, Torres and Aquilani – fit enough to contribute in a run of matches: allowing him to play his first choice team and notch up the four or five consecutive wins that will silence the critics.

If Liverpool were not called Liverpool, they’d be receiving praise for punching above their weight. The burden of history behind that name dictates the emotions of the fans and influences those who lead opinion. I would argue that, given the owners emphasis upon reducing the debt instead of improving the squad, this Liverpool side has been over-achieving rather than under-performing.

The manager has to work with inferior resources to every other club expected to win the title – lower even than some clubs expected to finish in the top six – and must therefore pull everything together to follow a steady path toward long-term success.

Liverpool football club is at a crossroads and, disappointingly, the allure of instant gratification is persuading too many fans that there must be some magical shortcut preferable to the road of steady progress down which Rafa is trying to lead the club.

[url=http://www.mirrorfootball.co.uk/opinion/columnists/guillem-balague/Why-Liverpool-are-actually-punching-above-their-weight-despite-what-the-critics-are-saying

-article260271.html?]http://www.mirrorfootball.co.uk/opinion....1.html?[/url]

This is spot on everyone needs to read it.

Balague is all mouth and sees himself as some sort of Spanish journo guru. He is probably right about having no money in January but tell us something we don't know. He is pro Rafa and why all of a sudden is he a confident of Mourinho and shares his thoughts and decisions.
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Postby redbeergoggles » Fri Dec 18, 2009 10:01 pm

Ok I have read a lot of posts claiming Rafa has to be subsequently removed from his post ,  so it seems its now time for the cold hard truth ,are we sitting comfortably people ?

It matters not one iota how many threads are constructed regarding Rafa's ability as manager, because lets not forget Benitez is going nowhere anytime soon ,and no amount of footstamping and general tantrum throwing is going to alter that in  any respect ,so I would say speaking from across the general divide ,we who (although posters continually refuse to accept )  quite comfortably occupy the high ground .

I would also like to add that the fans that matter ,and can genuinely make a difference are behind Rafa :D
But thanks for the amusing threads your subsequent participation is duly noted. :;):
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Postby DAV » Fri Dec 18, 2009 10:37 pm

just one question redbeergoggles who are the fans the matter.
i want rafa out - i have been going to Anfield - Away games- europe home and away for nearly 30 years.
Am i a fan that does not matter? ???? ???
An even if others on here never go for family reasons travel costs what ever their reason. They are fans that matter also  they contribute to LFC like everyone else.
Actually i find your comment insultive to everyone who you in your post thinks are not fans that matter.
Just because you do like what you read don't count yourself as a class above the rest because you are not or never will be.
Benny for example is all for RAFA staying and good for him - you however are a nasty piece of work.
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Postby redbeergoggles » Fri Dec 18, 2009 10:58 pm

Are you prone to throwing tantrums demanding Benitez out ? If not then your involvement isn't merited is it ?
as for the latter piece you so elegantly penned I couldn't care less what you think of me fella its not important ,for the record I dont think I can remember being tempted to reply vociferously to any of your posts ,so kindly do not pass judgement on me, in the future just avoid my posts ,and I will continue to do so to your gems     :D
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Postby DAV » Fri Dec 18, 2009 11:02 pm

i have no problem with people wanting RAFA to stay or go.
I do have a problem with people disrespecting other liverpool fans which you have and did.
And no i will not ignore your posts and yes i will reply when i want to as this is a forum and i am a member of it.
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Postby redbeergoggles » Fri Dec 18, 2009 11:06 pm

Sound that's your prerogative just don't expect my imput ,btw  if you think Im a nasty piece of work you seriously need to get out more fella :D
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Postby DAV » Fri Dec 18, 2009 11:07 pm

redbeergoggles wrote:Are you prone to throwing tantrums demanding Benitez out ? If not then your involvement isn't merited is it ?
as for the latter piece you so elegantly penned I couldn't care less what you think of me fella its not important ,for the record I dont think I can remember being tempted to reply vociferously to any of your posts ,so kindly do not pass judgement on me, in the future just avoid my posts ,and I will continue to do so to your gems     :D

If not then your involvement isn't merited is it ?
this is a sack rafa post in case you didnt no. so i think my in put is needed.
go to a pro rafa post i wont post in their.
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Postby redbeergoggles » Fri Dec 18, 2009 11:08 pm

I think you mean there ,but lets not be pedantic :D
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Postby DAV » Fri Dec 18, 2009 11:10 pm

lol personal insults now. well done. at least you are just having a go at me now which is fine, and not having a go at  what you call liverpool fans that don't matter.
you really should get over yourself.
No fan is more important than any other. Not pro RAFA or want RAFA sacked. The rest of us on here just read and respond to posts with out slagging others down. People like you give our club a bad name.
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Postby DAV » Fri Dec 18, 2009 11:12 pm

o the grammer insult is that what this is now down to. O please. Respect other fans. NOTICE THE O, which isnt a word.
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Postby redbeergoggles » Fri Dec 18, 2009 11:13 pm

Well our opinions differ slightly on that ,but  at least I haven't resorted to defamation of character have I fella ???
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Postby DAV » Fri Dec 18, 2009 11:17 pm

yes you have. you have insulted every person who in your opinion does not matter, where i have had a go at you.
which you deserve and like wise you have had a go at me which i have no problem with.
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