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by **maypaxvobiscum** » Thu Dec 17, 2009 7:20 pm

when i think of GYBS, i think of swine flu

by **Benny The Noon** » Thu Dec 17, 2009 7:22 pm

Maybe its time you change your tune as your getting pretty boring - now im going ask you pleasantly this time . Its getting tedious and uncalled for and totally incorrect every time . So time to knock it on the end .

Thank you very much .

by **bigmick** » Thu Dec 17, 2009 8:28 pm

Benny The Noon wrote:Maybe now pretty much all votes have been counted time to just end the thread before it gets even more silly .

Why "end the thread before it gets silly"? 95% of the people who have answered have done so with one word, it's only latterly that people have begun to get "silly" IMHO.

Dundalk actually started a thread very similar to this many moons ago, the idea being that as peoples views fluctuated (as they do) from result to result, you could plot where everybody stood at any one time. That one got closed/merged/deleted/kicked into the long grass as well, and I'm not sure what it achieved really. Similarly Dav's "sack him" thread got locked too. Ultimately however if there's a pressing issue on a forum, people will talk about it. People who don't like it can blanket throw, cry, delete and merge all they like, people will still talk about issues which are relevent.

by **Benny The Noon** » Thu Dec 17, 2009 8:36 pm

Well like i said if it stayed just the one word with stay or go then im sure the thread would carry on normally but you can see it getting silly already and going down the lines off reflecting all the other threads about Rafa . This was just a little different and should stay that way .

by **bigmick** » Thu Dec 17, 2009 8:50 pm

There are similarities to some of the other threads in the sense that the usual boo-hoo merchants are crying that people are even deeming it necessary to consider the managers position. The simple fact of the matter is, any manager of Liverpool football club who has the team level on points with newly promoted Birmingham City at near enough the half way point of the Premiership, is going to get speculated about.

People can blub, whinge and whine all they like about tradition, real fans, belief and all of that stuff and although I do have some sympathy with them I have my own version. Traditionally, we have challenged for honours and i have the belief that all real fans oughtn't to settle for being out of the League after ten matches and out of the Champions League after the group stages.

Real fans believe that we really ought to be traditionally a good team. That's my take on it.

by **Benny The Noon** » Thu Dec 17, 2009 9:01 pm

Im sorry but who has settled for anything ?

And whats with the 'real fan ' cr.ap once again ?

And where was it stated that you cant speculate about the manager ?

by **DAV** » Thu Dec 17, 2009 11:27 pm

seems to me some people and dare i say some mods miss the point of what a forum is. It's debate and opinions. Just coz some don't like what people are saying don't mean threads should be locked.
Or people banned unless bad language or bullying is involved.
I'm sure i'll get a mark against me for questioning this. So be it.

by **KennyisGod....still** » Thu Dec 17, 2009 11:39 pm

by **NANNY RED** » Fri Dec 18, 2009 12:19 am

Festy wrote:I will say this after every match now - 'GO RAFA GO'

Dead funny you

by **Big Niall** » Fri Dec 18, 2009 1:41 am

supporting the manager is great for the retarded supporters. If we all did that Souness would still be there and the "believers" would still be making excuses.

Would these people realise reality if it kicked them in the :censored:

?

by **centarec** » Fri Dec 18, 2009 4:00 am

by **Owzat** » Fri Dec 18, 2009 7:47 am

bigmick wrote:There are similarities to some of the other threads in the sense that the usual boo-hoo merchants are crying that people are even deeming it necessary to consider the managers position. The simple fact of the matter is, any manager of Liverpool football club who has the team level on points with newly promoted Birmingham City at near enough the half way point of the Premiership, is going to get speculated about.

People can blub, whinge and whine all they like about tradition, real fans, belief and all of that stuff and although I do have some sympathy with them I have my own version. Traditionally, we have challenged for honours and i have the belief that all real fans oughtn't to settle for being out of the League after ten matches and out of the Champions League after the group stages.

Real fans believe that we really ought to be traditionally a good team. That's my take on it.

I agree. We have to face what "progress" Rafa has really made. Even if you ignore the fact that we're struggling and getting embarrassed, Rafa has taken a regular top five club that wins the odd domestic and European trophy, and turned it into a................................... top five club that wins the odd domestic and European trophy. Sure Rafa finished 2nd, so did Houllier. Sure Rafa won a European trophy, so did Houllier. With the money they both spent the returns are at expectation level or BELOW.

That's the watered down comparison, the fact is Souness took a top two club and made it a top 6-8 club. Evans made us a top four club, finished third twice and fourth twice - one of those level on points with second. Souness and Evans were dispensed with, Evans somewhat harshly given his record was no worse than subsequent managers given the relative spending, and since then Houllier made us consistent top five as Rafa has mantained.

Both Houllier and Rafa made it look like we could win the league on one occaision, but we had spells that meant we finished 2nd but never really threatened the title come the business end of the season.

So are we happy with being a top four or five club with the occaisionial excitement because we might make a title challenge that disappears with the dust from santa's sleigh? I thought we were a big club with the highest standards and with that comes high expectations. People talk of the club's 'tradition' yet settle for second best.

Getting rid of Rafa entails risk, of course it does. The new manager might not even manage top five, but if there is a chance someone coming in will win the league then it is a gamble I am happy to take. At the moment there looks little chance Rafa will make the signings, changes, apply the tactics or inspire the team to the league title and it is such a small chance I think any incoming manager of any calibre has as much chance. To me if we don't finish first then there's little difference between second and seventh. Sure you get into the Champions League and lots of money associated, but the bottom line is noone from second to seventh gets a league title which is what we're aiming at.

The height of the bitters' ambitions in a season are :

- to beat us, preferably do the double
- finish above us so they can gloat
- finish as high as possible, in a European place if they can
- reach a cup final, maybe win a cup

I am sorry to say that mirrors too much what we are aiming at this season and overall could be listed as our current goals - finishing as high as possible, beating the bitters, getting into Europe and maybe winning a cup - even the Europa League. How bad is that? Maybe that comparison will wake a few people up, that we've sunk so far that the only minor difference between our ambitions and those across Stanley Park are in which European competition we are aiming at and they aren't deluded enough to think they'll win the league

by **Judge** » Fri Dec 18, 2009 12:22 pm

Benny The Noon wrote:Team GO ?!?! whatever the feck next , are you going to get printed t shirts

how did you know that ??

by **Benny The Noon** » Fri Dec 18, 2009 2:00 pm

Big Niall wrote:supporting the manager is great for the retarded supporters. If we all did that Souness would still be there and the "believers" would still be making excuses.

Would these people realise reality if it kicked them in the ?

So now people who support the manager are retarded ?!?

by **Benny The Noon** » Fri Dec 18, 2009 2:04 pm

Owzat wrote:
bigmick wrote:There are similarities to some of the other threads in the sense that the usual boo-hoo merchants are crying that people are even deeming it necessary to consider the managers position. The simple fact of the matter is, any manager of Liverpool football club who has the team level on points with newly promoted Birmingham City at near enough the half way point of the Premiership, is going to get speculated about.

People can blub, whinge and whine all they like about tradition, real fans, belief and all of that stuff and although I do have some sympathy with them I have my own version. Traditionally, we have challenged for honours and i have the belief that all real fans oughtn't to settle for being out of the League after ten matches and out of the Champions League after the group stages.

Real fans believe that we really ought to be traditionally a good team. That's my take on it.

I agree. We have to face what "progress" Rafa has really made. Even if you ignore the fact that we're struggling and getting embarrassed, Rafa has taken a regular top five club that wins the odd domestic and European trophy, and turned it into a................................... top five club that wins the odd domestic and European trophy. Sure Rafa finished 2nd, so did Houllier. Sure Rafa won a European trophy, so did Houllier. With the money they both spent the returns are at expectation level or BELOW.

That's the watered down comparison, the fact is Souness took a top two club and made it a top 6-8 club. Evans made us a top four club, finished third twice and fourth twice - one of those level on points with second. Souness and Evans were dispensed with, Evans somewhat harshly given his record was no worse than subsequent managers given the relative spending, and since then Houllier made us consistent top five as Rafa has mantained.

Both Houllier and Rafa made it look like we could win the league on one occaision, but we had spells that meant we finished 2nd but never really threatened the title come the business end of the season.

So are we happy with being a top four or five club with the occaisionial excitement because we might make a title challenge that disappears with the dust from santa's sleigh? I thought we were a big club with the highest standards and with that comes high expectations. People talk of the club's 'tradition' yet settle for second best.

Getting rid of Rafa entails risk, of course it does. The new manager might not even manage top five, but if there is a chance someone coming in will win the league then it is a gamble I am happy to take. At the moment there looks little chance Rafa will make the signings, changes, apply the tactics or inspire the team to the league title and it is such a small chance I think any incoming manager of any calibre has as much chance. To me if we don't finish first then there's little difference between second and seventh. Sure you get into the Champions League and lots of money associated, but the bottom line is noone from second to seventh gets a league title which is what we're aiming at.

The height of the bitters' ambitions in a season are :

- to beat us, preferably do the double
- finish above us so they can gloat
- finish as high as possible, in a European place if they can
- reach a cup final, maybe win a cup

I am sorry to say that mirrors too much what we are aiming at this season and overall could be listed as our current goals - finishing as high as possible, beating the bitters, getting into Europe and maybe winning a cup - even the Europa League. How bad is that? Maybe that comparison will wake a few people up, that we've sunk so far that the only minor difference between our ambitions and those across Stanley Park are in which European competition we are aiming at and they aren't deluded enough to think they'll win the league

So now we are a top 5 club ignoring the fact we have finished in the top 4 for the last four seasons ? when did it get extended ?

Just because we are having a disappointing season does in no way mean we have the same ambitions and goals as the BS - are aim and ambition at the start of every season is to win - not just to finish in a certain spot - its to win. Yes it doesnt pan out that way but that doesnt mean we start out aiming low . Off course as the season goes goals and aim change when results are considered and currently yes we must get into the top 4 and thats a minimum ( not a maximum like the BS aim for ) plus a trophy to cheer would be a successful season - not what we all wanted but one we will take .

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