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by **Emerald Red** » Mon Dec 14, 2009 9:43 pm

Benny The Noon wrote:
Emerald Red wrote:
Benny The Noon wrote:And we still have half the season to turn it around .

Turn what around?

Form
Confidence
Moral

Our Whole season .

And agree about Gerrard - he has a responsibilty to uphold and so do the senior experienced players .

Sorry the reply i posted was to the Good Yank mate

I think form, confidence, and moral to be turned around would be like winning a trophy at the momeny IMO. It would be a victory to savour for the reason being that it will show that we do have a good side and that we do have a manager that is capable. It would silence the press for sure, who are absolutely loving seeing our club in crisis at the moment. This is Rafa's job now. We shouldn't even be thinking of trophies unless this happens. If it doesn't, then Rafa is guilty of not being able to rectify a problem that regardless whether or not it was his failing or not, the onus is on him, as manager of his team, to get them going in the right direction. It's a test that he now faces and one that he now must pass. If he fails, well, there is only one outcome.

by **Benny The Noon** » Mon Dec 14, 2009 9:45 pm

Agree mate and its now his and the players responsibilty to grab themselves by the scruff of the neck and do it for the fans for the club and for themsleves

by **The Good Yank** » Mon Dec 14, 2009 10:03 pm

I'm not sure this is really the place for it, but I don't want to start another thread that ends up being closely aligned with many others already in place.

Accountability, it just seems that there is none right through the entire club right now. In my mind It boils down to one major factor and that is the relationship between the owners and the supporters.

Last season, with a great entertaining season in which the relationship between the manager, the players, the supporters , the hatred towards the owners, to a large extent was able to be sort of put on the backburner. The ousting of Real Madrid and the thrashing at Old Trafford seemed to quiet things down after the swoon of January. Feelings were riding pretty high as a decent title challange had been mounted, even if some felt we really should have won the title.

The results of this year are obviously nowhere near what they were towards the end of last season. The ire towards the owners is once again at the forefront. With Rafa still getting a decent bit of support from the fans the owners feel like their hands are tied (along with the financial ramifications) having extended the manager's contract. Therefore, no accountability asked from the owners towards Rafa.

Now after seemingly back into some semblance of fitness the Captain's performances could be questioned by the manager. But Rafa knowing that his support has got to be a bit tenuous right now knows he can't hold his Captain accountable and bench him. And so on down the line it goes. Can Gerrard hold his teamates accountable if he himself isn't hauling his fair share?

Fans hate the owners, limiting their power, and support the manager = No Accountability from Rafa

Poor results diminish Rafa's popularity making his situation less firm = No Accountability from Gerrard

Gerrard's poor performances diminish his clout as Captain = No Accountability from the squad

I seem to recall Nanny saying here and there that the owners are a cancer and it's eating the club, or something along those lines. Well, I'd have to say I agree with that, but maybe in a different manner of speaking.

by **Benny The Noon** » Mon Dec 14, 2009 10:06 pm

Accountability on the pitch = players and manager

Off the pitch = owners .

by **Kharhaz** » Mon Dec 14, 2009 11:42 pm

I have got over my depression from yesterday. My thoughts were, during the match, once again we have a dodgy ref. Liverpool got nothing in that game. Aurelio hits an arsenal player in his face with an elbow, yellow card, same thing happens to a Liverpool player, nothing happens. Two penalty shouts, none given. Gerrard and Torres knocked about throughout the game, once again nothing. I watched MOTD2 to see what they would say on there, and when Hansen pointed the ref out I realised, its not just me being bitter. It was a fact, once again a dubious referee helped our demise. Ok, we didnt do ourselves any favours and after the own goal the confidence dropped. Is it that the players are fed up with the tactics by rafa? or the fact arsenal came out in the second half and decided to play a bit? or was it down to the fact that, every decision seemed to go against Liverpool and this didnt help their already fragile confidence?

I would like to point to rafa and say he got it wrong but in all fairness, he didnt. Even with his subs. When I saw N'Gog coming on I was praying it wasnt Torres, and it wasnt, it was Benayoun, who had a poor game. Then he subbed Johnson, again a good move as he wasnt having the best of games. Confidence lost this one and I cannot blame Rafa for this. He motivated them in the first half, there is no way he was negative at half time, confidence dropped, decisions went against us and, like I mentioned, our already fragile confidence was shattered.

by **account deleted by request** » Mon Dec 14, 2009 11:52 pm

Kharhaz wrote:I have got over my depression from yesterday. My thoughts were, during the match, once again we have a dodgy ref. Liverpool got nothing in that game. Aurelio hits an arsenal player in his face with an elbow, yellow card, same thing happens to a Liverpool player, nothing happens. Two penalty shouts, none given. Gerrard and Torres knocked about throughout the game, once again nothing. I watched MOTD2 to see what they would say on there, and when Hansen pointed the ref out I realised, its not just me being bitter. It was a fact, once again a dubious referee helped our demise. Ok, we didnt do ourselves any favours and after the own goal the confidence dropped. Is it that the players are fed up with the tactics by rafa? or the fact arsenal came out in the second half and decided to play a bit? or was it down to the fact that, every decision seemed to go against Liverpool and this didnt help their already fragile confidence?

I would like to point to rafa and say he got it wrong but in all fairness, he didnt. Even with his subs. When I saw N'Gog coming on I was praying it wasnt Torres, and it wasnt, it was Benayoun, who had a poor game. Then he subbed Johnson, again a good move as he wasnt having the best of games. Confidence lost this one and I cannot blame Rafa for this. He motivated them in the first half, there is no way he was negative at half time, confidence dropped, decisions went against us and, like I mentioned, our already fragile confidence was shattered.

Good post mate

by **redbeergoggles** » Mon Dec 14, 2009 11:52 pm

Kharhaz wrote:I have got over my depression from yesterday. My thoughts were, during the match, once again we have a dodgy ref. Liverpool got nothing in that game. Aurelio hits an arsenal player in his face with an elbow, yellow card, same thing happens to a Liverpool player, nothing happens. Two penalty shouts, none given. Gerrard and Torres knocked about throughout the game, once again nothing. I watched MOTD2 to see what they would say on there, and when Hansen pointed the ref out I realised, its not just me being bitter. It was a fact, once again a dubious referee helped our demise. Ok, we didnt do ourselves any favours and after the own goal the confidence dropped. Is it that the players are fed up with the tactics by rafa? or the fact arsenal came out in the second half and decided to play a bit? or was it down to the fact that, every decision seemed to go against Liverpool and this didnt help their already fragile confidence?

I would like to point to rafa and say he got it wrong but in all fairness, he didnt. Even with his subs. When I saw N'Gog coming on I was praying it wasnt Torres, and it wasnt, it was Benayoun, who had a poor game. Then he subbed Johnson, again a good move as he wasnt having the best of games. Confidence lost this one and I cannot blame Rafa for this. He motivated them in the first half, there is no way he was negative at half time, confidence dropped, decisions went against us and, like I mentioned, our already fragile confidence was shattered.

Now that's a Proper post

totally agree fella

by **maypaxvobiscum** » Tue Dec 15, 2009 9:02 pm

i would like to dedicate this song to rafa

by **Dex** » Wed Dec 16, 2009 9:38 pm

by **Festy** » Thu Dec 17, 2009 1:34 pm

I will say this after every match now - 'GO RAFA GO' :angry:

by **maguskwt** » Thu Dec 17, 2009 3:42 pm

Festy wrote:I will say this after every match now - 'GO RAFA GO'

I will say this after every match too - 'GO FESTY GO' :angry:

by **Reg** » Thu Dec 17, 2009 6:04 pm

DD: For the sake of amusement put me down as 'Dont be so stupid'. Of course he must stay.

LFC is a business not a sweet shop. Just because you dont like whats happening or the results, or the fact Waterboy´s not being played or Steven Gerrard and Torres arent winning us games when they´re injured and Carra´s burnt out because he´s played 600 games etc.. doesnt mean you sack the manager. Question him yes, but he's the boss, not public opinion.

Otherwise we end up with a club run by divided opinion, owned by two ugly sisters and constantly hope for the fairy prince to come and rescue us. Load of bowlocks.

by **Benny The Noon** » Thu Dec 17, 2009 6:24 pm

maguskwt wrote:
Festy wrote:I will say this after every match now - 'GO RAFA GO'

I will say this after every match too - 'GO FESTY GO'

by **maypaxvobiscum** » Thu Dec 17, 2009 6:55 pm

Festy wrote:I will say this after every match now - 'GO RAFA GO'

by **Benny The Noon** » Thu Dec 17, 2009 7:01 pm

Maybe now pretty much all votes have been counted time to just end the thread before it gets even more silly .

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