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by **lakes10** » Mon Dec 14, 2009 8:14 pm

Benny The Noon wrote:Any chance of posting without all the sarcasim ? maybe then people might look at your post a bit more credible ? If you just posted what you think without the sly digs towards what people think and opinions then maybe you might get a little less hassle from some people . No one else is having pops at people just having a decent debate without the pops .

As for the middle parts of your post .

Lippi mancini and o neil are all good shouts - Lippis record for both club and country is superb and not sure what he is doing currently , Mancini 's only crime for inter was not winning the CL but succeded at Inter in the league and O Neill has done relatively well at every club he has been at and would all be decent choices .

starting to look more like Hiddink if Rafa gets the sack.
dont think he will be the best pick but he is still good but lacked a bit of understanding of the prem like Rafa.

by **Benny The Noon** » Mon Dec 14, 2009 8:14 pm

I know Scoot - its as i say - wrong and something i dont agree with - sometimes in fact a lot of time these very well paid players must and should take responsibilty .

by **Benny The Noon** » Mon Dec 14, 2009 8:16 pm

lakes10 wrote:
Benny The Noon wrote:Any chance of posting without all the sarcasim ? maybe then people might look at your post a bit more credible ? If you just posted what you think without the sly digs towards what people think and opinions then maybe you might get a little less hassle from some people . No one else is having pops at people just having a decent debate without the pops .

As for the middle parts of your post .

Lippi mancini and o neil are all good shouts - Lippis record for both club and country is superb and not sure what he is doing currently , Mancini 's only crime for inter was not winning the CL but succeded at Inter in the league and O Neill has done relatively well at every club he has been at and would all be decent choices .

starting to look more like Hiddink if Rafa gets the sack.
dont think he will be the best pick but he is still good but lacked a bit of understanding of the prem like Rafa.

According to who ? The press ? like they get things spot on these days - Just look at Hiddinks own words - think i will take what he says and then look at his connections before anything the press band about .

by **lakes10** » Mon Dec 14, 2009 8:17 pm

bit of a mad one this but i think i will share it with you all as it made me laugh.
Rafael Benitez has already been given his leaving date, he is just looking after the club till the new manager get his contract ended.

this come in at the same time as the Hiddink report but not from the same reporter.

by **bigmick** » Mon Dec 14, 2009 8:18 pm

On Klinnsman, I don't want him, but this was his record as german coach.

Usual disclaimers-I don't want Klinnsman as our manager etc etc, but in terms of accuracy I notice you did say he got knocked out at the quarter final stages with Germany. Wrong I'm afraid.

Klinnsman took over after a disasterous campaign at Euro 2004 when Rudi Voller was sacked. He revamped things, completely changed the make up of the swuad and took Germany to the semi finals of the 2006 World Cup with a young, attacking team. On the way they beat Argentina in the quarters. In the semi's, they were beaten 2-0 by two late extra time goals by Italy, the eventual champions. They then beat Portugal in the third place play off and came home to a hero's welcome, the team massively surpassing what the public and media thought was possible. Klinnsman was lauded by all and sundry, but despite illuminaries such as Franz Beckanbauer pleading his case RESIGNED his post after the World Cup.

I'll check out the Bayern record when I get a mo.

by **Scottbot** » Mon Dec 14, 2009 8:18 pm

Benny The Noon wrote:The one sticking point with us - is the owners of the club .

But that's the trick isn't it, as you've already stated, potential managers out there aren't nearly as enamored with the club and it's history as us fans and similarly, they are unlikely to share (or even have considered,or paid much attention to) the same low (putting it mildly) opinion of our owners as the majority of our fan base. I can scarcely imagine someone like Guus Hiddink rejecting an offer on the grounds that 'you two are the big bad wolves, i've had my finger on the Anfield pulse for a long time and there's no way i'd wanna work for you with all the false promises you made about debt and the stadium etc'.

by **lakes10** » Mon Dec 14, 2009 8:19 pm

Benny The Noon wrote:
lakes10 wrote:
Benny The Noon wrote:Any chance of posting without all the sarcasim ? maybe then people might look at your post a bit more credible ? If you just posted what you think without the sly digs towards what people think and opinions then maybe you might get a little less hassle from some people . No one else is having pops at people just having a decent debate without the pops .

As for the middle parts of your post .

Lippi mancini and o neil are all good shouts - Lippis record for both club and country is superb and not sure what he is doing currently , Mancini 's only crime for inter was not winning the CL but succeded at Inter in the league and O Neill has done relatively well at every club he has been at and would all be decent choices .

starting to look more like Hiddink if Rafa gets the sack.
dont think he will be the best pick but he is still good but lacked a bit of understanding of the prem like Rafa.

According to who ? The press ? like they get things spot on these days - Just look at Hiddinks own words - think i will take what he says and then look at his connections before anything the press band about .

think you are right mate, the press are loving the mess we are in, there is loads of reports coming in today, i am just picking a few that sound good or funny.

by **Scottbot** » Mon Dec 14, 2009 8:21 pm

Benny The Noon wrote:I know Scoot - its as i say - wrong and something i dont agree with - sometimes in fact a lot of time these very well paid players must and should take responsibilty .

Maybe but how could you have it any other way, sack the likes of Gerrard, or Yossi, or Babel? It doesn't (and couldn't) work like that because these guys are assets that belong to the club. The Manager on the other hand, is not.

by **Benny The Noon** » Mon Dec 14, 2009 8:22 pm

Scottbot wrote:
Benny The Noon wrote:The one sticking point with us - is the owners of the club .

But that's the trick isn't it, as you've already stated, potential managers out there aren't nearly as enamored with the club and it's history as us fans and similarly, they are unlikely to share (or even have considered,or paid much attention to) the same low (putting it mildly) opinion of our owners as the majority of our fan base. I can scarcely imagine someone like Guus Hiddink rejecting an offer on the grounds that 'you two are the big bad wolves, i've had my finger on the Anfield pulse for a long time and there's no way i'd wanna work for you with all the false promises you made about debt and the stadium etc'.

They dont need to have know about the history they only need to look through the press and see what is happening with the club when looking at the owners - the financial situation is out there for all to see - the fact they dont speak is worldwide known - the fact they and the club is in big debt to the banks is worldwide known .

They have gone against everything we all believe in and as you have said broken promises - why the hell would someone in football ever trust them ? they have already lied to us the fans , the manager and no doubt the players .

by **DAV** » Mon Dec 14, 2009 8:29 pm

Benny The Noon wrote:
s@int wrote:Nah mate, we have rarely got the best out of the players, and we seem to have a huge problem with players losing form and never picking it up again. Riise, Alonso (only picked up when he decided he was going) Sissoko, Skrtel, even your mate Kuyt has long periods of poor form etc etc .

We finally started to see what the team was capable of towards the end of last season, by this season we were back to square one, just like in 2006.

Well Riise has shown since he left that he had platued form wise .

Just look at what he has managed to produce from players like Yossi,Torres,Gerrard,Masher Agger before injury ,Aurelio , players before like Crouch and even Kuyt when on form .

Two of Gerrards best seasons have been when Rafa has played in in places no one would think of before Rafa did .

Torres arrived a very good player and within two seasons is the best striker in the world .

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Benny you are making out Rafa turned those player you quoted in to stars.
Torres, before we signed him he was one of the best strikers in the world and still is.
Gerrard- Before Rafa turned up he was our best player and still is
Yossi- a star at west ham - thats why we signed him

The othesr he can have some credit for
Kuyt - great stiker in holland - Rafa plays him out of position - works hard very little end product (well done RAFA)
Crouch didn't like him before we signed him, when we had him or now.

by **Benny The Noon** » Mon Dec 14, 2009 8:29 pm

lakes10 wrote:think you are right mate, the press are loving the mess we are in, there is loads of reports coming in today, i am just picking a few that sound good or funny.

I have no doubt most get throw away for the bo.llocks they deserve to be and ignored - while Rafa is under pressure and not doing well there hasnt been many if any reports of Rafa actually being sacked or walk away.

by **redbeergoggles** » Mon Dec 14, 2009 8:37 pm

maypaxvobiscum wrote:so what if he is arrogant? the same fans here who were applauding SOS's attack on the owners' cars are saying he is arrogant? wasn't Shankly arrogant too or was it considered witty back then? put it this way, the only reason why you people cannot stand him is because he got on your nerves as he was a manager for our rivals. if he was managing us and were to tell the everton fans to "shhh" you people will be wetting yourselves. and just because it is your assumption that he cannot manage a club without money doesn't mean he truly can't. sure the next thing will be comments about how he is a media whore. but look, putting most of the attention on himself takes alot of pressure off the players and that is very good man management to me. rafa? oh yeah we created chances pathetic.

Who exactly are you referring to when you say "you people " ? Do you mean the fans that have put their own liberty at risk ? Do you mean the the fans that have the bottle to actually do something about our plight ? Or did you actually believe that the protestations would not eventually erupt in violent action ,wake up lad there will be full scale riots soon if matters are not resolved (The pen is mightier than the sword my @rse ) ...

Oh btw Shanks was Funny ,I don't know what merits points for comedic value in your world ,but I have had funnier ulcers than Mourinho

by **Benny The Noon** » Mon Dec 14, 2009 8:41 pm

Well said RBG - There is no way in this world Maureen can ever be compared to Shanks - no one can ever .

by **parchpea** » Mon Dec 14, 2009 8:44 pm

Benitez loves to hang off the cross and play the victim to win sympathy with the support and mask over his own poor efforts.Not once has he had the dignity to come out and say the teams performances are unacceptable and he will shoulder the responsibilty.Lets face it he was happy to get a dig in at Gerrard and Garragher not so long back but the guy is not a big enough man to step up and take it on the chin for sake of the fans nor his players.It all begins and ends with him whether you like it or not. If the argument is hes not had the backing (which I dont buy) then he has to do a good job with the budget hes given but he simply has not spent wisely at all.I bet Benitez can hardly beleive he is still in charge of a football club of this stature after the way things have panned out.Honestly he must sit and chuckle to himself that hes still on the payroll :no

by **lakes10** » Mon Dec 14, 2009 8:47 pm

Benny The Noon wrote:
lakes10 wrote:think you are right mate, the press are loving the mess we are in, there is loads of reports coming in today, i am just picking a few that sound good or funny.

I have no doubt most get throw away for the bo.llocks they deserve to be and ignored - while Rafa is under pressure and not doing well there hasnt been many if any reports of Rafa actually being sacked or walk away.

none, what has chaned in the last 15 weeks is that most of the sports reported are now based in the North. they tend to pick up on every bit of :censored:

that is going about and report it as a fact, its then down to the bbc and sky to see if theres any truth in it.

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