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by **Benny The Noon** » Mon Dec 14, 2009 1:04 pm

During these bad times and poor run of fun we as fans should be pulling together in our support and trying as best as we can as fans to bring us out of this bad run of form . Together in win and together in defeat all supporting together . This is our worst run under rafa and he deserves our back because he is liverpool manager and managing the club we all love and support . Youll Never Walk Alone is our motto for a reason .

And spot on from both Graham and Bob .

by **dawson99** » Mon Dec 14, 2009 1:05 pm

Benny The Noon wrote:During these bad times and poor run of fun we as fans should be pulling together in our support and trying as best as we can as fans to bring us out of this bad run of form . Together in win and together in defeat all supporting together . This is our worst run under rafa and he deserves our back because he is liverpool manager and managing the club we all love and support . Youll Never Walk Alone is our motto for a reason .

oh stop the poetry you'll never walk alone. hes fecking things up. hes too stubborn to admit mistakes and hes lost the dressing room. its really that simple.

by **Benny The Noon** » Mon Dec 14, 2009 1:08 pm

Its not just him that is having a mare , doesnt matter what is going on we should still be doing our bit and supporting them all .

by **maypaxvobiscum** » Mon Dec 14, 2009 1:17 pm

@ Graham, your point number 3 is sustained

i have to agree with that but lets turn the situation around and say, the reason why G&H are as such is because they cannot get along with rafa's nature...thereby, perhaps the owners would be more supportive if they had a manager of their choice who are on the same wavelength? im saying this on the basis of the number of people rafa has fallen out with such as Pako and many others.

by **Owzat** » Mon Dec 14, 2009 1:17 pm

Benny The Noon wrote:Team GO ?!?! whatever the feck next , are you going to get printed t shirts and start meetings - arent we all just Liverpool supporters instead of being pigeoned holed and divided up

Was the inevitable conclusion to a thread that pigeon holes people by their current opinion on whether he should stay or go

We're now at a point at which it is 10 wins and 10 defeats for the season, that isn't clever and can't be undone. He earned the right to another shot at the title, I'm not afraid to back the manager if I think he has what it takes but last season was like 05/06 where it went right in spells where we clicked - but it wasn't enough and even a number of good spells during the season isn't consistent enough to land the league.

Sure it seems a little bit odd to get rid of a manager who has won us the Champions League, the FA Cup and finishes top five consistently (to date) But didn't Evans finish top five consistently and win us a cup? Didn't Houllier finish top five consistently and win us three cups in one season?!?! They went because they got stuck in a rut the same as Rafa has. Progress wasn't being made, the board lost patience and the club moved on. People weren't unhappy Evans moved on when Houllier finished second or when he won us the cup treble, the same as people didn't say "I wish Houllier had been given longer" when we lifted the European Cup or FA Cup, or when we finished second.

Brave come bold decision that it will have to be, sooner or later someone has to make a decision on Rafa's future. He can't cling to his job on the basis of the European Cup and finishing second last season. Managers of big clubs have to improve, move forwards, progress, until such a time as the goal is reached and no more progress can be made. Are we now accepting this is it, we've reached the point at which no more progress can be made?

If winning a cup or two every five years and finishing top four or five is good enough then I must be missing something, we may not have a divine right to be champions, but by the time we've finished backing the manager without question, it may be even harder to win it than it is at the moment. We gave Houllier an extra season, then the big money landed with Chelsea while the mancs were in relative disarray and a chance was missed. Chelsea had a relative off-season last season, we blew our chance then. Now we may find Man City pushing hard, villa may or may not be punching above their weight, but we're certainly punching well below our's. Most of us may pray for a change of owners, whether for better or worse, but that aside it's either Rafa changing the side forever more or the owners changing the manager.

by **Benny The Noon** » Mon Dec 14, 2009 1:18 pm

And how would the owners support another manager when they have no money and every bit of profit from the club goes to pay off the debts .

by **GRAHAM01** » Mon Dec 14, 2009 1:31 pm

maypaxvobiscum wrote:@ Graham, your point number 3 is sustained i have to agree with that but lets turn the situation around and say, the reason why G&H are as such is because they cannot get along with rafa's nature...thereby, perhaps the owners would be more supportive if they had a manager of their choice who are on the same wavelength? im saying this on the basis of the number of people rafa has fallen out with such as Pako and many others.

i see your point but let me put it this way

you are about to start working for sky installing there dishes, they say welcome and don't worry we will supply you with all the tools you but you turn up on your first day and they say well you will need a long ladder but all we are going to give you is a step ladder now off you go son get on with your work

you can do some jobs but when you need that long ladder the job just doesn't get done.

end product your not happy and there not happy so you become at logger heads??

sorry for putting it that way but it was the first thing i thought of that would show my point

by **shitonutd78** » Mon Dec 14, 2009 1:35 pm

by **maypaxvobiscum** » Mon Dec 14, 2009 1:48 pm

GRAHAM01 wrote:
maypaxvobiscum wrote:@ Graham, your point number 3 is sustained i have to agree with that but lets turn the situation around and say, the reason why G&H are as such is because they cannot get along with rafa's nature...thereby, perhaps the owners would be more supportive if they had a manager of their choice who are on the same wavelength? im saying this on the basis of the number of people rafa has fallen out with such as Pako and many others.

i see your point but let me put it this way

you are about to start working for sky installing there dishes, they say welcome and don't worry we will supply you with all the tools you but you turn up on your first day and they say well you will need a long ladder but all we are going to give you is a step ladder now off you go son get on with your work

you can do some jobs but when you need that long ladder the job just doesn't get done.

end product your not happy and there not happy so you become at logger heads??

sorry for putting it that way but it was the first thing i thought of that would show my point

so in short, he wanted a sofa but got a lamp?

by **Festy** » Mon Dec 14, 2009 1:50 pm

F@ck off (Go) :angry:

by **GRAHAM01** » Mon Dec 14, 2009 1:51 pm

maypaxvobiscum wrote:
GRAHAM01 wrote:
maypaxvobiscum wrote:@ Graham, your point number 3 is sustained i have to agree with that but lets turn the situation around and say, the reason why G&H are as such is because they cannot get along with rafa's nature...thereby, perhaps the owners would be more supportive if they had a manager of their choice who are on the same wavelength? im saying this on the basis of the number of people rafa has fallen out with such as Pako and many others.

i see your point but let me put it this way

you are about to start working for sky installing there dishes, they say welcome and don't worry we will supply you with all the tools you but you turn up on your first day and they say well you will need a long ladder but all we are going to give you is a step ladder now off you go son get on with your work

you can do some jobs but when you need that long ladder the job just doesn't get done.

end product your not happy and there not happy so you become at logger heads??

sorry for putting it that way but it was the first thing i thought of that would show my point

so in short, he wanted a sofa but got a lamp?

yep you got it

by **Benny The Noon** » Mon Dec 14, 2009 6:18 pm

A quick question - The people that want him gone - how many wanted him gone at the beginining of the season before a ball was even kicked and how many have decided on the back of the recent run of poor form ?

If its the latter and because of the recent run - could it not be possible that it is a one off - in respect of the number of poor games - i know we havent won the league or anything but this is Rafas worst run in the league with us and does his previous finishes in the league - ie progressing up to 2nd in the league - not give him a bit of leeway to try and turn it around to get us into the top 4 (which we need as a minimum) . If we do go on a run and reach the top 4 and win a trophy (FA Cup/Europa Lge) does Rafa then get another season to see what happens in the league ?

by **Greavesie** » Mon Dec 14, 2009 6:23 pm

I can see reasons for both, I'll just go along with the biggest mob

go

by **account deleted by request** » Mon Dec 14, 2009 6:30 pm

I thought he deserved another season after our performances last season , well he has had only a few months of that season and already we have fecked it up. He makes too many mistakes , gambles too much , and doesn't seem to know how to get us out of our bliiips. He seems more fixated on systems than getting the best out of players. What worked last season with the players then available hasn't worked this season. e.g. playing a lone striker seems to work fine with Torres, but not with Kuyt for FFS!

Without Alonso we should have been more flexible, moved Gerrard back and played with 2 strikers when Torres wasn't available.

by **Benny The Noon** » Mon Dec 14, 2009 6:32 pm

But you wanted him gone last season as well didnt you saint ?

He has had a run of poor 13 games is it ? what then happens if we have a good run of the same amount of games or has the damaged been done ?

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