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by **tonyeh** » Thu Dec 10, 2009 1:11 pm

And why the hell would Aquilani want him to stay?

by **Benny The Noon** » Thu Dec 10, 2009 1:13 pm

and that body language could easily be explained as him being frustrated by his own injuries , lack of form , playing time and teams own poor form and results as opposed to being disillusioned by the manager who gerrard has only ever said positive things about

by **shawnk** » Thu Dec 10, 2009 1:15 pm

I think Yossi would want him go too, he has been substituted for no apparent reason other than he's one of the few that's playing well for the team. It's apparent from his reaction.

by **Boocity** » Thu Dec 10, 2009 1:24 pm

NANNY RED wrote:But my view is as i said in my post. We were not even qualifying for the championsleague before mate

nanny, correct me if I am wrong but wasn't there fewer places for the UCL when GH was here. It was top 2 or 3 not 4 wasn't it.

by **Scottbot** » Thu Dec 10, 2009 1:31 pm

Ben Patrick wrote:
Scottbot wrote:A lot of posters in this thread are talking as if last nights loss was another MASSIVE nail in the managers coffin which I find a bit laughable. It was a nothing game played by a dissapointed and underwelmed team in front of a dissapointed and underwelmed crowd. Things were bad before the game but lets not pretend they have all of sudden got so much worse as a result of this game, they still would have been as bad had we won the game. Big one at the weekend against Arsenal and we need to win it.

Glad to see Torres back, I don't think we've ever needed a player back as much him right now.

Scott i disagree mate, last nights game although meaningless was a chance to try and regain a bit of pride.
We have gone out of the champions league with a whimper/
The body language of the players seems to indicate they have virtually given up.
Yes we were already out but Rafa before the game had been talking abour 3 clean sheets and an unbeaten in 6 (i think it was) run.
Well thats another defeat.
We lose games far too easily this season and its a sickening habit to have.
We have lost half of our champions league games, almost half of our league games and also been knocked out of the carling cup.

Some might blame the players who looked totally uninterested last night, but its the managers job to motivate them.

With each game it becomes less and less likely that he will be able to turn it round.

Been saying it for weeks, this is like Houlliers final season.

We used to love him once n all.

I see where your coming from but essentially those players were playing for nothing last night, I know they should all be up for it all of the time but players need to have something to play for. It's all very well playing for pride, but it's hard to get away from the fact that last night was the final appearance in this competition for the rest of the year, it was a damp squiub of a fixture. Sure a win and a clean sheet would have been nice for a bit of confidence, but i suspect the majority of posters in this thread would have dismissed it as a hollow and fairly meaningless win and I would have agreed with them. It's all about Sunday's match at Arsenal for me. I'm not saying I disagree with the criticism in this thread (i've joined in a few times this season) but it winds me up a bit when people over-play something (eg. last nights game) to ramp up an opinion they hold. It happens a lot on here.

by **Scottbot** » Thu Dec 10, 2009 1:35 pm

tonyeh wrote:And why the hell would Aquilani want him to stay?

Because he had the faith to sign the lad from Roma even though he out long term injured. Why else?

by **Scottbot** » Thu Dec 10, 2009 1:40 pm

Ben Patrick wrote:With each game it becomes less and less likely that he will be able to turn it round.

Been saying it for weeks, this is like Houlliers final season.

We used to love him once n all.

It certainly has the same feel to it as Houllier's last season, although i seem to be far more depressed for this one because of the expectations coming in. But lets not forget that Ged had an absolute stinker the season before that, the final year really was a swansong/last stand for him. Despite the train-wreck that is this season, Rafa can at least point to a very exciting (albeit, ultimately unsuccessful) season last time around.

by **Ben Patrick** » Thu Dec 10, 2009 1:45 pm

I think there's more to it mate (Scott) Gerrard doesnt look happy at all.
I know he is skipper and should be trying to get the players going etc, but the lads head doesnt look like its on it. He looks like he doesnt want to be out there and even looked like that in the derby to me.
Yeah it meant nothing last night and yes people might go OTT as they are jumping on anything they can to prove a point.
But losing games is a bad habit to get into.
Rafa was talking about our mini run of staying unbeaten, thats gone again.

Like you say, beat Arsenal Sunday (which i think we will) and we can say Weds didnt matter.
But i still feel we need to stop losing games, its an awful habit to get into imo.

by **Penguins** » Thu Dec 10, 2009 1:50 pm

Not that it should be coming from me, but beating Arsenal will not solve anything. It is still just one game like manaure and the bitters when it comes down to points. Brum at home or fulham away are just as important. If we win this weekend and drop points at home to Wigan the next game like we did after the wins vs Manure and the bitters, what good will it do then?

by **Boocity** » Thu Dec 10, 2009 1:53 pm

Well Gerrards not getting any younger and after last season I reckon he thought we would push on for the title this year. He must be as disillusioned as the rest of us to wonder why it has gone so wrong.

I hate to say this but I think Rafas position needs to be looked at seriously, we must qualify for the UCL next season and we must have investment otherwise we may lose key players and once that happens it makes it even harder to get back into the top 4 and we don't want to end up a basket case like Leeds.

I am an eternal optimist, last week I was still thonking we could turn it round and win the league but even I am worrying about falling out of the top 4

by **Octsky** » Thu Dec 10, 2009 3:05 pm

Players should take pride in playing for LFC, for playing the shirt.

If you are a manager and you have problem motivating players to play for a club with a rich history and has one of the most famous name in football, then something is wrong with the manager.

If players dont believe, we can never win the league.
Bill shankly brought the belief to the club, and the belief of invincibility stay with us for nearly 30 years. One man can believed so strongly that it infected the whole city like a plague.
Sadly i dont see Rafa with that ability.

by **algymoon** » Thu Dec 10, 2009 4:19 pm

Keris wrote:Sure Rafa is at fault for us being at our current state.

But is it all down to him?
What about the players he sent out weekly? Have they been playing to their best of their ability?
Has Skrtel & Kyriagos learn from their mistakes?
Does Dossena even want to play in the red jersey?
Does Babel have the right attitude to be a professional footballer?
Will the likes of Lucas and Insua improve from their current ability?
Is Riera able to play more than just one half of a football match?
Will Dagan or Voronin ever show us they are worthy of the red shirt?

Sack Rafa? Sure, if he is not doing the job what he was paid to do.
Can we do the same of the players who have let us down?

I absolutely agree with you, Rafa must take the full blame, this is his players his team, and they i.e. players are subjected to his style of training and play which is resulted in awful performances and being so boring & negative, this is Rafa’s style of management, it is never a LFC tradition style of play, it is quite foreign and odd.

Rafa will badly struggle this season, he somehow got away with it in the previous four seasons, now we will see his true colour. It is sad to say it, if Rafa remains in control, he will fail to secure the forth spot, and his team will soon be knocked out of Europa league before we know it. His team has struggled badly to over come the second string of European teams in the CL, so I cannot see them making good progress. The quicker we get rid of him, we would have a better chance to focus on the league and try to secure the forth spot, it is like wining the league, in a humble and sad circumstances!!!, It is a sad case, but at least we can keep our beloved club afloat, until a decent new owner comes in and safe this huge club from a possible Leeds United scenario.

by **Benny The Noon** » Thu Dec 10, 2009 6:32 pm

King Kenny just been saying on Sky that the players and everyone fully behind Rafa and fully intend on getting their form back . He said they most certainly want him to lead their side as opposed to having to face him leading another side .

by **Sir Roger** » Fri Dec 11, 2009 1:17 am

Am I right in thinking that Rafa actually had the audacity to say he thought the players would learn from their mistakes?
Did he really say that?

by **killerp** » Fri Dec 11, 2009 2:03 am

Scottbot wrote:
tonyeh wrote:And why the hell would Aquilani want him to stay?

Because he had the faith to sign the lad from Roma even though he out long term injured. Why else?

Faith can sometimes backfire eg; Kewell :;):

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