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by **Greavesie** » Tue Jun 02, 2009 12:56 pm

I know when I posted Mick that I omitted his achievements at Porto that they would be pointed out, and admittedly, I was wrong regrading that, that much alone shows he is a good manager, but how good? His record speaks volumes it really does but when I look at the bigger picture I don't know how good he really is. I don't think he's sh!t by any means and he would definately deliver if he was our manager but just the same amount as Rafa IMO, but thats mainly because of the financial muscle of the other two ahead thats all. I think he and Rafa are about as good as each other, I wouldn't swap Rafa for Maureen. That said if Rafa was to go I'd be happy with Mourinho at this club.

He's still a pr!ck tho

by **bigmick** » Tue Jun 02, 2009 9:54 pm

Absolutely love the thread, just re-read it. It's classic newkit, with thrust and counter thrust, abuse and innaccuracy competing with condescension and nonsense. It's a lot to read, if you want to jump to the guts of Mourinho's record, it starts on page four. As I said at the time, if you read that and conclude he is not a brilliant manager, then I'd be amazed.

One point which did come out of the discussion was this one, and it was me who claimed it at the time. I said early in the thread that if Mourinho had been our manager this (last now) season, we'd be six points ahead of the Mancs by now (It was in February). Later on in the thread, I said that it was my opinion that had Mourinho been our manager this/last season, we'd have won the title.

I still believe that.

by **stmichael** » Tue Jul 28, 2009 2:26 pm

I hear he's been blowing his own trumpet again today, saying how he'd love to take over after whiskey nose calls it a day.

It's be interesting that's for sure. He's obviously an excellent manager but one thing he lacks is any history of rebuilding sides. He's never around long enough to be replacing what he's already built so he's an unknown quantity in that respect.

by **account deleted by request** » Tue Jul 28, 2009 4:11 pm

In all honesty I believe Mourinho would have already won the title with us and probably moved on to pastures new by now. I don't see him as the type of manager to hang around long, more like a hired gun who comes in gets the job done then moves on to the next job.

by **LFC2007** » Tue Jul 28, 2009 4:31 pm

It goes without saying he's a top manager, one of the very best in world football in my view, though I think the Inter job was about as safe a job he could've picked. They've dominated Serie 'A' primarily because the other sides have been so poor; after all the nonsense associated with the match-fxing scandals they were left in a very strong position, and so it doesn't surprise me that they've continued to dominate the league... they did the same under Mancini except he achieved it with a better record overall. The true test for Mourinho will be whether he can muster a proper challenge for the UCL, something Mancini couldn't do.

On his Chelsea days and predicting whether he would have been a similar success here, I don't think you can be as deterministic as to say he would've put us 'x' number of points ahead at whatever stage of the season, for quite obvous reasons I should think. Whether he could've mounted a challenger earlier than Rafa's managed, judgment is also noteably restricted because there aren't too many parallels in the respective job circumstances of the two tasks. Simplifying it; operating on a tight budget in Portugal is markedly different from doing the same in relative terms at a Premier League club. I'm not dimishing his achievements at Chelsea, I just don't think you can approach said questions with such conviction.

by **GYBS** » Wed Jul 29, 2009 8:28 pm

s@int wrote:In all honesty I believe Mourinho would have already won the title with us and probably moved on to pastures new by now. I don't see him as the type of manager to hang around long, more like a hired gun who comes in gets the job done then moves on to the next job.

And in all honesty i dont think 1. He would come to us and 2 . would win the league if he did .

by **account deleted by request** » Wed Jul 29, 2009 8:48 pm

GYBS wrote:
s@int wrote:In all honesty I believe Mourinho would have already won the title with us and probably moved on to pastures new by now. I don't see him as the type of manager to hang around long, more like a hired gun who comes in gets the job done then moves on to the next job.

And in all honesty i dont think 1. He would come to us and 2 . would win the league if he did .

Which probably says more about how little you know, than anything about Mourinho.

by **GYBS** » Wed Jul 29, 2009 8:55 pm

s@int wrote:
GYBS wrote:
s@int wrote:In all honesty I believe Mourinho would have already won the title with us and probably moved on to pastures new by now. I don't see him as the type of manager to hang around long, more like a hired gun who comes in gets the job done then moves on to the next job.

And in all honesty i dont think 1. He would come to us and 2 . would win the league if he did .

Which probably says more about how little you know, than anything about Mourinho.

Really ? well seeing as he goes to clubs that can back him financially for whatever player he wants rules us out for a start - plus if he had come to us we wouldnt of got players like masher ,torres,pepe and xabi - who my opinion where all steals at their price and maureen would of had to deal with buying below world class players at cheaper prices and wouldnt of won the prem with us - hence why i believe he turned us down when he had a choice between us and chelsea .

by **account deleted by request** » Wed Jul 29, 2009 9:30 pm

Yeah, 'cos he has failed at every club he has been to hasn't he?

by **GYBS** » Wed Jul 29, 2009 9:37 pm

s@int wrote:Yeah, 'cos he has failed at every club he has been to hasn't he?

Yes we know he did well at porto - had a great bunch of players there - won the cl with them and off course portugese league (where its pretty much a given that porto win )- but then went to a multi million pound chelsea squad and added even more multi million pound players then went to a multi million pound inter squad and added more multi million pound players (where a rookie manager had already won the title two years running previously). you sort of get the gist - no denying he is a good manager but he has had a lot of big helping hand along the way - a big helping hand he wouldnt of had at liverpool .

by **account deleted by request** » Wed Jul 29, 2009 9:43 pm

When he won the league with Porto in 2002/03 Porto won the league title by 11 points. It was their first league title win for four seasons

Try actually reading something instead of just arguing all the time. You might find your foot spent more time on the floor and less time in your mouth.

by **bigmick** » Wed Jul 29, 2009 9:44 pm

I don't get this "only goes to clubs who can back him financially for any player he wants" bit. He won the Champions League and UEFA Cup in consecutive seasons with Porto FFS, who never had a bean. previous to them he had taken a Portuguese club who none of us have ever heard of into fifth in their league, STILL a record. I think we can assume he never spent big money at Lievtra or whatever the feck they're called, while his signings at Porto were frees from Barcelona reserves, recalling Jorge Costa from loan at Charlton and that kind of thing. He spent big at Chelsea for sure, but he bought Didier drogba for 24 million, Ricardo Carvallho for 20 million, Michael Essien for 24 million etc etc so he can hardly be said to have wasted the money.

Now he's in Italy and he's just got rid of the big Swedish striker and got Hleb plus Eto plus 30 million quid, so he's probably in credit there on transfer fees. Why people are so unwilling to give credit where credit is due and admit what is absolutely as plain as the nose on your face amazes me. By all means begrudge him any praise because you think the man is a c..., but to continually peddle half truths and nonsense just so you can make your own argument look better is daft. The facts are the facts, there is no denying that he is a fantastic manager.

I can't help thinking that some of those who go a wee bit over the top in their criticism of all things Mourinho do so with something of an alterior motive. It can't be coincidence that some of Mourinho's most vociferous detractors on here are also some of Rafa's staunchest defenders. I think whenever the ex Chelsea manager is discussed, a little bit of insecurity creeps in with some of them. The comparison in terms of success doesn't reflect well on our man, and hopefully he/we can close the gap a little by winning some trophies soon.

by **bigmick** » Wed Jul 29, 2009 9:49 pm

s@int wrote:When he won the league with Porto in 2002/03 Porto won the league title by 11 points. It was their first league title win for four seasons

Try actually reading something instead of just arguing all the time. You might find your foot spent more time on the floor and less time in your mouth.

The funny thing is S@int, we did these arguments a few months ago and GYBS in the end had no option but to accept the weight of evidence. As time has passed, it's almost like he thinks it's becomes Ok again to peddle the same untruths, "Porto always win the league", "Mourinho had a top team when he went there", "anybody can win the league if they've got stacks of money" etc etc.

Unreal really.

by **GYBS** » Wed Jul 29, 2009 9:57 pm

No one is saying he is a bad manager - have already said he is a good manager and the fact he did well at Porto - you said he would of won the league with us saint and im saying he wouldnt because to win the league with chelsea - he had to spend a lot of money to win the league to add to an already expensive club - he couldnt of done that with us .

simple as that saint - clear enough for you ?

by **GYBS** » Wed Jul 29, 2009 9:58 pm

bigmick wrote:
s@int wrote:When he won the league with Porto in 2002/03 Porto won the league title by 11 points. It was their first league title win for four seasons

Try actually reading something instead of just arguing all the time. You might find your foot spent more time on the floor and less time in your mouth.

The funny thing is S@int, we did these arguments a few months ago and GYBS in the end had no option but to accept the weight of evidence. As time has passed, it's almost like he thinks it's becomes Ok again to peddle the same untruths, "Porto always win the league", "Mourinho had a top team when he went there", "anybody can win the league if they've got stacks of money" etc etc.

Unreal really.

I think you need to clear up your facts just slightly there dont you ?! i still dont rate him as high as some and never will no matter what he did before - i still think he had a big helping hand with chelsea and again with inter that will never change .

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