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Postby lakes10 » Sun Dec 06, 2009 10:40 am

Ciggy wrote:
JohnBull wrote:Something is about to change. The big meeting tomorrow should be made public just so we all know what's going on.

What big meeting is that John?

lol i take it that its the meeting he could not make at 8:30 last night lol
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Postby teamleader1 » Sun Dec 06, 2009 10:40 am

parchpea wrote:Benitez needs to be shown the door simple as that.We need a vibrant manager who can light the fire with this group much like he did when he took the Champs League with Houlliers team.Face the inevitable, Rafa is old news at Anfield and we need a fresh outlook.For Christ Sakes this is not the 80s or early 90s and you do not hold on to duck eggs, you hire and fire and let the cards fall as they may.Is it not enough we have been embedded in the past for long enough now, lets move on, get with the real world and try something new.This guy is dragging us down, and to be honest he just aint that good and theres a string of better manangers out there as long as the Mersey waiting to take over. Get over it and accept the inevitable, we are going absolutey nowhere but backwards under this regime.

Spot on
Rafa should not be in charge of another game!
we are an absolute shambles, forget all the excuses they dont wash anymore.
I would go as far as saying that ANY decent manager would be getting a lot more out of this squad as it stands.
Rafa is treading water and hasnte got a clue how to get back on track.
Put Daggers in charge now, he will steady the ship and we WILL climb the table.
Its about LFC and not Rafa  :angry:
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Postby Ciggy » Sun Dec 06, 2009 10:41 am

JohnBull wrote:I was with a couple of guys last night who know someone who knows someone etc etc etc.
They're not bullshyters and apparently there's something going on tomorrow in the corridors of power.
It's going to be kept low key so nothing dramatic will be announced but a big change is coming !

What is it a new manager or new owners?
There is no-one anywhere in the world at any stage who is any bigger or any better than this football club.

Kenny Dalglish 1/2/2011

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Postby lakes10 » Sun Dec 06, 2009 10:42 am

i understand what you are saying john but Rafa will not go unless the owners have another manager lined up, Samml will only be put in place for a very few games till the new manager comes, right now the owners can not get the person they are looking for so i take it Rafa is still safe.
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Postby lakes10 » Sun Dec 06, 2009 10:48 am

Ciggy wrote:
JohnBull wrote:I was with a couple of guys last night who know someone who knows someone etc etc etc.
They're not bullshyters and apparently there's something going on tomorrow in the corridors of power.
It's going to be kept low key so nothing dramatic will be announced but a big change is coming !

What is it a new manager or new owners?

well its not new owners
we are se to be debt free by May and have almost no debt by Feb, theres more chance that we will get a 3rd party then.
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Postby JohnBull » Sun Dec 06, 2009 10:49 am

I know he's got more qualifications than Bamber Gascoigne but I do not see Sammy being our manager in any shape of form.
I can see a temp coming in with a new title and he does know his way around the club.
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Postby lakes10 » Sun Dec 06, 2009 10:57 am

JohnBull wrote:I know he's got more qualifications than Bamber Gascoigne but I do not see Sammy being our manager in any shape of form.
I can see a temp coming in with a new title and he does know his way around the club.

yer thats more the way i understand it, the owners had worries over Lee and that why they are making sure they have the new manager lined up. if they had to Lee would only takeover if Rafa walked .  but thats what also makes me think Rafa is still safe.......unless they are going to put kenny in place under as guidance advices till the new manager comes in.
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Postby JohnBull » Sun Dec 06, 2009 10:59 am

BINGO !!
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Postby bigmick » Sun Dec 06, 2009 11:03 am

I don't actually believe it will happen because Rafa is too strong with his rock solid contract which increasingly looks like a huge mistake. That said, if the owners could manoevre Dalglish into a "director of football" role and make Rafa answerable to him, I don't think the manager would put up with that and will walk. That might be the best way in their eyes of getting a cheap solution to the problem.

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Postby teamleader1 » Sun Dec 06, 2009 11:04 am

JohnBull wrote:I know he's got more qualifications than Bamber Gascoigne but I do not see Sammy being our manager in any shape of form.
I can see a temp coming in with a new title and he does know his way around the club.

Daggers?

A LOT more than just a safe pair of hands
Proven track record, would have the backing of the dressing room and the fans.

Heres hoping  :D
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Postby JohnBull » Sun Dec 06, 2009 11:08 am

Oh the webs they weave !
There's some skullduggery going on at the moment M8. Just a shame that the people who built this club are not allowed to participate.
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Postby lakes10 » Sun Dec 06, 2009 11:14 am

well Kenny is on Sky today for the live games, if he is there then we know its not going to happen.
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Postby JohnBull » Sun Dec 06, 2009 11:17 am

Don't see them making some big announcment. There would be too much of a "dismissal by construction" situation. Now that would cost a lot !!
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Postby lakes10 » Sun Dec 06, 2009 12:47 pm

JohnBull wrote:Don't see them making some big announcment. There would be too much of a "dismissal by construction" situation. Now that would cost a lot !!

that would be a hard case for him to win, they would just say he was sack due to poor results and the stats back them up on that.
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Postby Redman in wales » Sun Dec 06, 2009 1:38 pm

just read a really good post on raw, which kinda sums up how a lot of reds are feeling at the moment

credit to Zeus for this one:

I love Rafa Benitez, I really do. I think he has done a hell of a lot for this club, despite what the media have said about him the last five plus years since he’s been in the job. However I must admit I am finding that my affection for him is turning into more anger recently. I think this is mainly down to frustration, with the current season and the decisions Rafa has been making this season and the past.

I think it is important fans support the manager and team, especially at games, as that is what ‘supporters’ should do. By contrast I also think it is essential that fans, the ones who care deeply about the club and spend a hell lot of their time and money on it, are honest about their feelings and what they do and don’t like about what is happening at the club. There is no point in showing blind faith in managers, players or anyone involved at the club as that does no one any favours as we should all have the same goal – What is best for Liverpool Football Club.

I think there is no doubt that when Rafa has all his first eleven on the pitch we will give any team a ****** good game and if we could keep it fit for the majority of the season, challenge for the title - as we showed last season. However it is clear that there seems to be a big gap in certain parts of the squad between the first choice players and the backup. Now this can be argued that this is simply down to lack of money, however after spending 220+ million on players and having five+ years in the job I think a lot fans find this hard to swallow.

But this topic is not really about how well Benitez has (or hasn’t) invested into the club with the resources he has had available, we have enough of those topics on here. It is more down to the other aspect of Benitez’s job which money and resources aren’t a factor.

For example, I don’t think it is down to a lack of resources the fact we are out of the title, the Champions League and League Cup - before December. I also don’t think resources influence the fact Benitez:

- Will insist on playing Kuyt, every game, regardless of his form.

- Continue to play a Lucas / Mascherano combination, one which the majority of fans don’t think has enough quality on the ball.

- Is reluctant to make a substitution before 60 minutes.

- We are arguably the most vulnerable team at defending set plays and have been for the last two seasons.

- The team are extremely poor at attacking set plays, in particular corners, something we have been poor for over five years.

- The fact behind Torres, the options upfront are either poor (Voronin / Babel) or young (Ngog) and not good enough to be back up at Liverpool Football Club.

Now I could go on, but I don’t want to look like I am bashing Rafa for the sake of bashing him, as that is easy to do when we have had a poor start to the season. It is important we should not forget all the good Benitez has brought to the club:

- Signing Torres, Reina, Mascherano, Alonso, Agger and Joihnson. All top players.

- Winning the Champions League, The FA Cup, The Community Shield, The Super Cup and taking the team to their best challenge in Premier League history.

Given he has ‘tweedle dee’ and ‘tweedle dumb’ as owners and got little help from Parry along the way – these are superb achievements.
However let’s be honest I could probably write a similar list of poor signings, baffling decisions, odd substitutions, random team selections, playing players in the wrong position, zonal marking, poor league positions etc. Which suggests he hasn’t exactly been setting the world alight before this season and the current problems in the team and at the club aren’t exactly ’one-offs’ and down to a poor run of injuries.

My heart is currently saying I want to back Benitez to the full. He is the right man to do this job, as he loves the club and has done a lot for it. Yet my head is saying if I judge him overall I would say that he isn’t getting enough oiut of the current set of players and the club would be better off with some who picks the right teams, sorts out the set plays, players the players in the right position, signs another striker and picks players on form rather than reputation etc etc.

I am totally confused and I don’t like the fact that I am turning against Rafa. This happened with Houiller, where I would support him, yet by the end of his reign I was showing blind faith rather than believing in his methods and that he was the right man to take the club further.

Is anyone else feeling the way I do? As I can’t choose between my head and my heart. I guess I’ll just keep showing faith in Benitez until the end of the season and then judge him again. But It is hard to justify Benitez at times and see reasoning in his decisions and methods, but I’ll keep trying while he’s at the club, despite how hard he makes it at times.
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