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Benny The Noon wrote:Then dont go aorund preaching about people ruining decent debate when your doing a perfectly good job of it yourself .

yeah, right, and you always stick to the topic don't you 

bigmick wrote:

Rockthekop wrote:What exactly is real fan anyway?

I'm not sure, I only know that I've been told many times on here that I aren't one of them. I've given it some thought, and I don't pretend to have all the answers but I do know this much (I think).

Being a "real fan" has nothing to do with how long you've supported the club (I've been a Liverpool supporter since I was six years old, 1972 to present).

Strangely, for some people it also doesn't matter if you go the game regularly (the bloke who started this thread does and his "real fanness" was questioned) or live near the city (ditto).

It doesn't matter that you slag people who are in the employ of the club on here, in the sense that it is possible to slag certain players off and still be "real". Babel for instance has a target on his back, so does Dossena but to a lesser extent. Even Gerrard can be openly questioned as to his 'body language" his "me-ness" and his "committment". Players such as Kuyt and Lucas are strimctly off limits obviously. The owners of course are right in the hitting zone and you can build your "real fan" status back up be slagging them. That's like one of those "refuel zones" on a computer game where you can build your strength up again.

The manager is absolutely out of bounds obviously. If you express any doubts whatsover about the manager, or openly wonder if we might win a trophy within the next few years, your "real fan" status can be seriously in doubt before you know it. On the other hand, comparing him to managers of our past who won untold trophies and continually talking about his "love for the club" and "tactical genius" can repair damage which you may have inflicted upon yourself. This damage is self inflicted by for instance wondering why Martin Skrtel was playing at right back or Peter Crouch on the left wing.

Another tricky area, a minefield infact, is the one of "belief". This probably trips up more "Real fan" wannabees than any other area. "Belief" is all very well of course, but you've got to be very careful what you believe in. When real fans tell you to "believe", they DON'T mean believe that we really ought to win something occasionally. Believing this is ridiculous and delusional apparently because we haven't got as much money as Chelsea, and because Man Utd had a better team than us in 2003. On the other hand, when we are palably out of any chance whatsoever of winning the title, you mustn't say you "believe" we won't win it. You have to say you "believe" we can, even though you know we won't. You must all the time keep your powder dry to stick the boot into anyone who says that we really ought to be able to have a stab at it, because we obviously can't as we haven't got enough money (see earlier). This section needs to be studied by any wannabees, as it's by far the most treacherous.

Should you pass through these tests without perishing, there are further mountains to climb. You still have to jump through the hoops transfer market wise for instance, and the whole thing culminates in an excrutiatingly difficult short story section where you have to pretend that we've spent less money than everyone else, regardles of whether we have or not.

In short, being a "real fan" is not easy. I'm actually not all that gutted that I aren't one, I don't think I could handle it.

Owzat wrote:

Rockthekop wrote:What exactly is a real fan anyway?

It is a theoretical concept used as a weapon by retards to try and undermine or devalue the comments of people saying something they don't like because they aren't able to prove them wrong. You may well also find they overuse and overemphasise words like FACT and PROVE, and will claim the incredible like "he's doing a fantastic job", "we will win the league with" and "he's (net) spent no money"

It is my firm belief that it is the blind faith supporters of Rafa who dismiss 'non-believers' as "not real fans" and those who are more open to the view Rafa isn't doing a good enough job don't question other fans' right to an opinion. We may not agree with other people's opinions, but questioning whether someone is a 'real fan' is just a pathetic attempt to dig at someone and their views.

Should be a cardable offence in my opinion, it's having a pop at the person (or people) not the opinion, while it may not be verbal abuse it is still intended as an insult - not being a terribly complimentary reference, effectively questioning someone's right to comment, the validity of those comments and their right to support LFC which is not down to anyone.

hmm unlikely to ever become a cardable offence when the deputy supreme mod, supersub, himself does it. 

bigmick wrote:

Rockthekop wrote:What exactly is real fan anyway?

I'm not sure, I only know that I've been told many times on here that I aren't one of them. I've given it some thought, and I don't pretend to have all the answers but I do know this much (I think).

Being a "real fan" has nothing to do with how long you've supported the club (I've been a Liverpool supporter since I was six years old, 1972 to present).

Strangely, for some people it also doesn't matter if you go the game regularly (the bloke who started this thread does and his "real fanness" was questioned) or live near the city (ditto).

It doesn't matter that you slag people who are in the employ of the club on here, in the sense that it is possible to slag certain players off and still be "real". Babel for instance has a target on his back, so does Dossena but to a lesser extent. Even Gerrard can be openly questioned as to his 'body language" his "me-ness" and his "committment". Players such as Kuyt and Lucas are strimctly off limits obviously. The owners of course are right in the hitting zone and you can build your "real fan" status back up be slagging them. That's like one of those "refuel zones" on a computer game where you can build your strength up again.

The manager is absolutely out of bounds obviously. If you express any doubts whatsover about the manager, or openly wonder if we might win a trophy within the next few years, your "real fan" status can be seriously in doubt before you know it. On the other hand, comparing him to managers of our past who won untold trophies and continually talking about his "love for the club" and "tactical genius" can repair damage which you may have inflicted upon yourself. This damage is self inflicted by for instance wondering why Martin Skrtel was playing at right back or Peter Crouch on the left wing.

Another tricky area, a minefield infact, is the one of "belief". This probably trips up more "Real fan" wannabees than any other area. "Belief" is all very well of course, but you've got to be very careful what you believe in. When real fans tell you to "believe", they DON'T mean believe that we really ought to win something occasionally. Believing this is ridiculous and delusional apparently because we haven't got as much money as Chelsea, and because Man Utd had a better team than us in 2003. On the other hand, when we are palably out of any chance whatsoever of winning the title, you mustn't say you "believe" we won't win it. You have to say you "believe" we can, even though you know we won't. You must all the time keep your powder dry to stick the boot into anyone who says that we really ought to be able to have a stab at it, because we obviously can't as we haven't got enough money (see earlier). This section needs to be studied by any wannabees, as it's by far the most treacherous.

Should you pass through these tests without perishing, there are further mountains to climb. You still have to jump through the hoops transfer market wise for instance, and the whole thing culminates in an excrutiatingly difficult short story section where you have to pretend that we've spent less money than everyone else, regardles of whether we have or not.

In short, being a "real fan" is not easy. I'm actually not all that gutted that I aren't one, I don't think I could handle it.

Seeing as Lando's not around, I'm just going to call you a "cunt" for writing that.



The Yang seems to be missing from the the Ying.

bigmick wrote:

Rockthekop wrote:What exactly is real fan anyway?

I'm not sure, I only know that I've been told many times on here that I aren't one of them. I've given it some thought, and I don't pretend to have all the answers but I do know this much (I think).

Being a "real fan" has nothing to do with how long you've supported the club (I've been a Liverpool supporter since I was six years old, 1972 to present).

Strangely, for some people it also doesn't matter if you go the game regularly (the bloke who started this thread does and his "real fanness" was questioned) or live near the city (ditto).

It doesn't matter that you slag people who are in the employ of the club on here, in the sense that it is possible to slag certain players off and still be "real". Babel for instance has a target on his back, so does Dossena but to a lesser extent. Even Gerrard can be openly questioned as to his 'body language" his "me-ness" and his "committment". Players such as Kuyt and Lucas are strimctly off limits obviously. The owners of course are right in the hitting zone and you can build your "real fan" status back up be slagging them. That's like one of those "refuel zones" on a computer game where you can build your strength up again.

The manager is absolutely out of bounds obviously. If you express any doubts whatsover about the manager, or openly wonder if we might win a trophy within the next few years, your "real fan" status can be seriously in doubt before you know it. On the other hand, comparing him to managers of our past who won untold trophies and continually talking about his "love for the club" and "tactical genius" can repair damage which you may have inflicted upon yourself. This damage is self inflicted by for instance wondering why Martin Skrtel was playing at right back or Peter Crouch on the left wing.

Another tricky area, a minefield infact, is the one of "belief". This probably trips up more "Real fan" wannabees than any other area. "Belief" is all very well of course, but you've got to be very careful what you believe in. When real fans tell you to "believe", they DON'T mean believe that we really ought to win something occasionally. Believing this is ridiculous and delusional apparently because we haven't got as much money as Chelsea, and because Man Utd had a better team than us in 2003. On the other hand, when we are palably out of any chance whatsoever of winning the title, you mustn't say you "believe" we won't win it. You have to say you "believe" we can, even though you know we won't. You must all the time keep your powder dry to stick the boot into anyone who says that we really ought to be able to have a stab at it, because we obviously can't as we haven't got enough money (see earlier). This section needs to be studied by any wannabees, as it's by far the most treacherous.

Should you pass through these tests without perishing, there are further mountains to climb. You still have to jump through the hoops transfer market wise for instance, and the whole thing culminates in an excrutiatingly difficult short story section where you have to pretend that we've spent less money than everyone else, regardles of whether we have or not.

In short, being a "real fan" is not easy. I'm actually not all that gutted that I aren't one, I don't think I could handle it.

Thats brilliant     

heimdall wrote:

Owzat wrote:

Rockthekop wrote:What exactly is a real fan anyway?

It is a theoretical concept used as a weapon by retards to try and undermine or devalue the comments of people saying something they don't like because they aren't able to prove them wrong. You may well also find they overuse and overemphasise words like FACT and PROVE, and will claim the incredible like "he's doing a fantastic job", "we will win the league with" and "he's (net) spent no money"

It is my firm belief that it is the blind faith supporters of Rafa who dismiss 'non-believers' as "not real fans" and those who are more open to the view Rafa isn't doing a good enough job don't question other fans' right to an opinion. We may not agree with other people's opinions, but questioning whether someone is a 'real fan' is just a pathetic attempt to dig at someone and their views.

Should be a cardable offence in my opinion, it's having a pop at the person (or people) not the opinion, while it may not be verbal abuse it is still intended as an insult - not being a terribly complimentary reference, effectively questioning someone's right to comment, the validity of those comments and their right to support LFC which is not down to anyone.

hmm unlikely to ever become a cardable offence when the deputy supreme mod, supersub, himself does it. 

Owzat wrote:

heimdall wrote:

Owzat wrote:

Rockthekop wrote:What exactly is a real fan anyway?

It is a theoretical concept used as a weapon by retards to try and undermine or devalue the comments of people saying something they don't like because they aren't able to prove them wrong. You may well also find they overuse and overemphasise words like FACT and PROVE, and will claim the incredible like "he's doing a fantastic job", "we will win the league with" and "he's (net) spent no money"

It is my firm belief that it is the blind faith supporters of Rafa who dismiss 'non-believers' as "not real fans" and those who are more open to the view Rafa isn't doing a good enough job don't question other fans' right to an opinion. We may not agree with other people's opinions, but questioning whether someone is a 'real fan' is just a pathetic attempt to dig at someone and their views.

Should be a cardable offence in my opinion, it's having a pop at the person (or people) not the opinion, while it may not be verbal abuse it is still intended as an insult - not being a terribly complimentary reference, effectively questioning someone's right to comment, the validity of those comments and their right to support LFC which is not down to anyone.

hmm unlikely to ever become a cardable offence when the deputy supreme mod, supersub, himself does it. 

There is no god, but supersub does a decent impression!

supersub wrote:I try to please.... that is my purpose in life.....

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supersub wrote:

Owzat wrote:I try to please.... that is my purpose in life.....

phil_cool wrote:A real fan want's what is best for the club, is Rafa best for the club, that is the question. The answer is disputable.

Or debateable

supersub wrote:

phil_cool wrote:A real fan want's what is best for the club, is Rafa best for the club, that is the question. The answer is disputable.

Or debateable

Or debatable