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by **heimdall** » Wed Dec 02, 2009 11:42 pm

NANNY RED wrote:
heimdall wrote:

must be the same wonderful competition theve just been knocked out of

Yes I guess it is, a few stages later though.

by **Bad Bob** » Thu Dec 03, 2009 12:38 am

heimdall wrote:
NANNY RED wrote:
heimdall wrote:

must be the same wonderful competition theve just been knocked out of

Yes I guess it is, a few stages later though.

If by "few" you really mean "one".

by **maypaxvobiscum** » Thu Dec 03, 2009 7:02 am

Bad Bob wrote:
heimdall wrote:
NANNY RED wrote:
heimdall wrote:

must be the same wonderful competition theve just been knocked out of

Yes I guess it is, a few stages later though.

If by "few" you really mean "one".

yeah a team of kids against proven internationals. at least Wenger has the balls to give the kids a chance unlike our manager. will we ever see all those highly rated players like Pacheco or will they get disillusioned and move on?

by **bigmick** » Thu Dec 03, 2009 9:16 am

I must confess I always find it a bit odd when some of our fans give it the old "well what about arsenal, they've won feck all either" each season. It's odd for a couple of reasons.

Firstly and formostly, I couldn't really give a feck about Arsenal and I'm surprised they can either. I aspire to get infront of the teams which actually win trophies, namely Chelsea and Manchester United over the last few seasons (I'm not going to count Portsmouth under Redknapp as it was probably a one off). To be totally frank, if we finish fifth this season and just so happen to finish ahead of Arsenal (or anybody else for that matter) I couldn't give a feck and I wouldn't be celebrating, I'm surprised others would. I wouldn't quite go as far as the old first is everything second is nowhere carry on, but we really ought to be trying to challenge to win trophies if at all possible.

The other reason I'm surprised that people pick on Arsenal for a comparison is that even the staunchest pro-Rafa supporter in the World would surely accept that of all the teams around us, Arsenal have been the most miserly in the transfer market. Wenger has built the team on the best part of feck all, so quite why the same people who constantly bemoan us "shopping in the bargain basement" think we are a reasonable comparison to Arsenal is a mystery to me.

It comes back to that "real fan" thing I think. If you are a "real fan", you generally have fairly low aspirations it seems to me. If on the other hand you aren't a "real fan", then it's unlikely that you'll get the bunting out should the team get in front of Arsenal, which it didn't on this occasion obviously because they knocked us out.

by **Ciggy** » Thu Dec 03, 2009 9:23 am

maypaxvobiscum wrote:
Bad Bob wrote:
heimdall wrote:
NANNY RED wrote:
heimdall wrote:

must be the same wonderful competition theve just been knocked out of

Yes I guess it is, a few stages later though.

If by "few" you really mean "one".

yeah a team of kids against proven internationals. at least Wenger has the balls to give the kids a chance unlike our manager. will we ever see all those highly rated players like Pacheco or will they get disillusioned and move on?

Kids? Silvestre is abar feckin 90 biggest myth in history Arsenal kids :glare:

Wenger getting off scot free again avoiding any critism what so ever.

by **made in UK** » Thu Dec 03, 2009 9:25 am

Ciggy wrote:
maypaxvobiscum wrote:
Bad Bob wrote:
heimdall wrote:
NANNY RED wrote:
heimdall wrote:

must be the same wonderful competition theve just been knocked out of

Yes I guess it is, a few stages later though.

If by "few" you really mean "one".

yeah a team of kids against proven internationals. at least Wenger has the balls to give the kids a chance unlike our manager. will we ever see all those highly rated players like Pacheco or will they get disillusioned and move on?

Kids? Silvest is abar feckin 90 biggest myth in history Arsenal kids

Wenger getting off scot free again avoiding any critism what so ever.

But Ciggy they were beaten by a team who have way more money than them. :;):

by **Ciggy** » Thu Dec 03, 2009 9:39 am

made in UK wrote:But Ciggy they were beaten by a team who have way more money than them.

Not argueing about that I am pointing out that its a load of sh!te that they where kids playing last night. Bendtner, Van Persie and Clichy all missing through injury otherwise it was pretty much Arsenals first 11.

Thomas Rosicky,Vermalen, Arshavin, Sylvestre, Eboue, Sagna, Edwardo,
Fabianski all kids?

I must be a teenager then if this lot are classed as kids.

by **made in UK** » Thu Dec 03, 2009 9:52 am

Ciggy wrote:
made in UK wrote:But Ciggy they were beaten by a team who have way more money than them.

Not argueing about that I am pointing out that its a load of sh!te that they where kids playing last night. Bendtner, Van Persie and Clichy all missing through injury otherwise it was pretty much Arsenals first 11.

Thomas Rosicky,Vermalen, Arshavin, Sylvestre, Eboue, Sagna, Edwardo,
Fabianski all kids?

I must be a teenager then if this lot are classed as kids.

Well I have seen a photo of you, you'd pass as a teenager. :;):

by **lakes10** » Thu Dec 03, 2009 10:38 am

Benny The Noon wrote:
lakes10 wrote:there was a goodbit on sky news last night about how much managers have cost clubs with bad buys..............Rafa was top, Alex ferguson was next but it was taken over the whole time he had been at man u.

then it was a long list of spurs managers.

i dont have the numbers so i hope its on there again today.................or wonder if our stats man can come up with them or his view on it.

what i dont understand is what they say is a bad buy, what might be a good buy for us they might say was a bad buy.

by the Arsene Wenger was last with the best results.............thats what you get if you mug off overseas teams for young players.

Bad Buys ? Yes people like dossena and babel prob the two expensive ones as flops totally twenty million - keane was a mistake as opposed to a flop . Where as chelsea ?!? 30 million for schevchenko alone is more than our flops , mancs including veron nani etc must be lots more . Who did they have as our bad buys ?

that was my problem with it as they did not name the players.

by **supersub** » Thu Dec 03, 2009 12:08 pm

heimdall wrote:Yes I guess it is, a few stages later though.

Stages....Is that a new "Sky" footy term because the word round might be mistaken for a referrence to the ball..... :laugh:

by **Benny The Noon** » Thu Dec 03, 2009 12:34 pm

bigmick wrote:I must confess I always find it a bit odd when some of our fans give it the old "well what about arsenal, they've won feck all either" each season. It's odd for a couple of reasons.

Firstly and formostly, I couldn't really give a feck about Arsenal and I'm surprised they can either. I aspire to get infront of the teams which actually win trophies, namely Chelsea and Manchester United over the last few seasons (I'm not going to count Portsmouth under Redknapp as it was probably a one off). To be totally frank, if we finish fifth this season and just so happen to finish ahead of Arsenal (or anybody else for that matter) I couldn't give a feck and I wouldn't be celebrating, I'm surprised others would. I wouldn't quite go as far as the old first is everything second is nowhere carry on, but we really ought to be trying to challenge to win trophies if at all possible.

The other reason I'm surprised that people pick on Arsenal for a comparison is that even the staunchest pro-Rafa supporter in the World would surely accept that of all the teams around us, Arsenal have been the most miserly in the transfer market. Wenger has built the team on the best part of feck all, so quite why the same people who constantly bemoan us "shopping in the bargain basement" think we are a reasonable comparison to Arsenal is a mystery to me.

It comes back to that "real fan" thing I think. If you are a "real fan", you generally have fairly low aspirations it seems to me. If on the other hand you aren't a "real fan", then it's unlikely that you'll get the bunting out should the team get in front of Arsenal, which it didn't on this occasion obviously because they knocked us out.

If people keep on using wenger and his use of kids and bringing through players as a stick to beat Rafa with then people will constantly bring up wenger lack of success over the last 5 years with those kids as a response .

And f.uck knows what this "Real Fan" boll.ocks is all about - is it your new bone to grab hold off .

What is a "Real Fan" or "Superfan " - its just more cr.ap made up by people to have digs at other people .

by **Bad Bob** » Thu Dec 03, 2009 12:48 pm

I actually have a lot of respect for Wenger and Arsenal but I don't like when the facts about them get distorted to suit some anti-Rafa agenda. Fact number one, they advanced one round further than we did in the Carling Cup, not several. Maybe I'm hairsplitting but it grates to see false information being used to criticize Rafa. It goes to credibility. Fact number two has to do with the much ballyhooed Arsenal kids. As Ciggy's pointed out, the "kids" label gets a bit stretched sometimes...although there were several youngsters on the pitch for them last night playing against a full strength Man City side. Interesting decision from Arsene there, actually, given they're as silverware starved as we are and almost as bad off in the league. I wonder if those applauding him for having the courage to give "the kids" a go would be so magnanimous with Rafa if he elected to do the same thing in the same situation. I suspect he might actually get some stick for throwing a chance at silverware away.

by **Benny The Noon** » Thu Dec 03, 2009 12:52 pm

Oh i suspect you would be spot on Bob - Rafa gets crucified for not playing youngsters but you can bet your months wages and he played kids and they didnt do well he would get crucified for playing them .

by **heimdall** » Thu Dec 03, 2009 12:58 pm

Benny The Noon wrote:Oh i suspect you would be spot on Bob - Rafa gets crucified for not playing youngsters but you can bet your months wages and he played kids and they didnt do well he would get crucified for playing them .

I'm fairly certain Wenger WILL be getting criticised for not fielding his A-team but then again he was still in all competitions before last night.

by **account deleted by request** » Thu Dec 03, 2009 1:00 pm

Arsenal
21 Fabianski
18 Silvestre
27 Eboue
30 Traore
37 Eastmond
07 Rosicky
16 Ramsey
17 Song Billong
19 Wilshere
32 Merida
12 Vela
Substitutes
24 Mannone, 34 Bartley, 42 Gilbert, 35 Coquelin, 41 Frimpong, 48 Randall, 54 Watt

I don't know about you , but that looks like a lot of kids to me.

I understand what you are saying Bob, but I think if we started to see similar progression from our reserves , I wouldnt mind gambling on them in the minor cups in similar fashion.

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