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by **Scottbot** » Mon Nov 30, 2009 7:50 pm

heimdall wrote:
s@int wrote:
Scottbot wrote:it was a massive win

Spot on Scott

Hmm it was a luckly win and was as bad as I have ever seen Liverpool play, it was truly dreadfull and on another day we would have lost 4 or 5-0.

People who still claim we are unlucky can feck right off.

Kuyt and Lucas were both terrible and we have to upgrade both of them asap. I guarantee you here and now that when the next manager comes in then they'll be out the door quicker that can you can say "waste of money".

Stevie had a bad day, one of his worst, but was still light years better than Kuyt and Lucas, that says it all really.

Have you ever watched a Mersey derby before? Yes they were the better side, and yes we did ride our luck (for once) but 3 out of 4 Mersey derbys go the same way, tackles flying in everywhere, long balls galore, no space, no time and very little quality football. And this derby was no different. I'm not Kuyts biggest fan but he is actually PERFECT for these types of game.

When you've only won 1 league game in 8 (or 7, i'm not sure) then you take what you can get. Why stick the boot in when we've just won a massive game (the derby is generally considered to be quite important)? I think posters on here are way to quick to jump on people who criticize the team/manager/players but you bring it on yourself much of the time. Kuyt and Lucas had a terrible game? They weren't amazing i'll grant ya but you haven't mentioned our Captain who looked disinterested (by his usual derby day standards), Ngog had an absolute shocker and Aurelio was pretty much invisible. Now I had no intention of critizing any of our players (i know i just did to make a point) for the simple reason it's been so long since i've been in a good mood on a Monday as far as footy goes and today (for once) i've been feeling just capital.

You must be aware you're pushing people's buttons on here when you post some of the stuff you put up.

by **aCe'** » Mon Nov 30, 2009 7:54 pm

.... im gonna get carded for spamming arent i :laugh:

I see you've given yourself a card SS... now theres a good boy, leading by example...

by **Benny The Noon** » Mon Nov 30, 2009 7:54 pm

heimdall wrote:
s@int wrote:
Scottbot wrote:it was a massive win

Spot on Scott

Hmm it was a luckly win and was as bad as I have ever seen Liverpool play, it was truly dreadfull and on another day we would have lost 4 or 5-0.

People who still claim we are unlucky can feck right off.

Kuyt and Lucas were both terrible and we have to upgrade both of them asap. I guarantee you here and now that when the next manager comes in then they'll be out the door quicker that can you can say "waste of money".

Stevie had a bad day, one of his worst, but was still light years better than Kuyt and Lucas, that says it all really.

Have you ever watched a derby before ?

The games are never a pure footballing festival and its all blood and thunder - but never lovely football and the only thing that matters is a win and in this case a massive win .

In what way could we of lost 4 or 5 nil ?!?! Through luck or maybe some quality skill and one poor finish from the BS

Only bit of luck we had was mashers goal

The pepe saves were not luck - that was showing people how he is a natural shot stopper , you wont say that again will you

Then the two offside goals are the work of a good defense .

Then there was the long named bluesh.ite tw.ats poor finish .

Yes it was a shi.te goal overall but we didnt win through luck - we won because we battled and harassed our hearts out and do you want to guess which players were at the heart of that

Masher
Lucas
Kuyt .

by **Benny The Noon** » Mon Nov 30, 2009 7:56 pm

Fowler_E7 wrote:Though Kuyt did alright yesterday, its the type of games he excels in, scrappy affairs with not much action on the ball. Kuyt has many flaws but he does have good of the ball movement, add that to his usual industry and he gave a good peformance, and you need characters like him in a derby match. So credit where its due.

Spot on mate - i know you of all people dont rate kuyt at all but have shown in this post that you give credit where it is due and dont stick to a stereotypical opinion just because you dont rate him

Heimdall take note .

by **bigmick** » Mon Nov 30, 2009 8:23 pm

Couple of points.

Kuyt WAS poor, but so was everybody else who was charged with being creative, he certainly wasn't on his own. Agger, Carragher, Masherano, Lucas etc did pretty well, Reina was outstanding but we never really got going in attacking sense.

Gerrard was awful and his contribution is a concern. Either he is injured or so woefully off form that he needs dropping, with obviously the more likely option being the injured one. Obviously we need him, but we need him at least somewhere near fit.

Riera adds a tonne of balance when he's on the pitch. Kuyts goal wouldn't have been scored if anyone else was playing there, simply because Riera has the technique, ability and left foot needed to get the initial shot on target.

Johnsons cross to Insua and the subsequent header was the best bit of football in the entire match. The run and cross were practically World Class and it was a brilliant climb and attack by the little Argentine. I never knew he coiuld do that (Insua) and it'll be interesting to see whether or not it was a one off.

We did get a bit lucky, but we are overdue and in any case so what.

The game was a typical derby and no more lacking in quality than they usually are.

I agree with practically nothing which Penguins says. His views on transfer spending and on other managers achievements are at odds with my reality. That said, when I do disagee with him where he comes from, what year he initially started supporting the club and the rest are the least relevent things in the debate. Such considerations and peoples willingness to pontificate on them are symptomatic of much of what is wrong.

If Russian Doll posting is to be outlawed (and it's about time if it is) then perhaps putting a limit of say four quotes on it might help to head off at the pass any feelings that certain posters are unfairly picked on. If it's in the rules, then there's no argument.

We have now won two games on the bounce and haven't conceded a goal. All runs start somewhere, every journey of 10,000 miles etc etc.

by **Benny The Noon** » Mon Nov 30, 2009 8:26 pm

We have now won two games on the bounce and haven't conceded a goal. All runs start somewhere, every journey of 10,000 miles etc etc.

Spot on , hopefully it will have given them some confidence to push on now .

And im guessing you have watched the whole game now :;):

by **Igor Zidane** » Mon Nov 30, 2009 8:52 pm

Gerrards fecked FACT . The lad needs an op pronto ,that's all that's wrong with him . Rafa needs to send Gerrard and Torres to the ozzy and we will have to rely on what we have got . I'm sure our fans will take that into consideration if our performances are not what we hoped they would be . Aquilani needs to be thrown in so Gerrard can be sorted i'm afraid. We'll just have to live with the consequences.

by **fivecups** » Mon Nov 30, 2009 8:57 pm

Igor Zidane wrote:Gerrards fecked FACT . The lad needs an op pronto ,that's all that's wrong with him . Rafa needs to send Gerrard and Torres to the ozzy and we will have to rely on what we have got . I'm sure our fans will take that into consideration if our performances are not what we hoped they would be . Aquilani needs to be thrown in so Gerrard can be sorted i'm afraid. We'll just have to live with the consequences.

Definitely injured, I thought it was clear watching the match, he was pretty much limping at times. Rafa made reference to it post match.

The question is what do you do? Aquilani's not match fit, I'm not even sure he's fully fit, surely he should be at least playing for the reserves to get his match fitness up if he is.

So do you keep playing Gerrard with pain-killers and hope his groin doesn't tear completely, rest him for a few weeks or put him through surgery immediately?

by **Igor Zidane** » Mon Nov 30, 2009 9:02 pm

The latter for me Fivecups mate , in know way will he be any good to us playing like he did yesterday . It's not his fault , he's just injured and needs sorting . THe same with torres mate.

by **account deleted by request** » Mon Nov 30, 2009 9:06 pm

Igor Zidane wrote:Gerrards fecked FACT . The lad needs an op pronto ,that's all that's wrong with him . Rafa needs to send Gerrard and Torres to the ozzy and we will have to rely on what we have got . I'm sure our fans will take that into consideration if our performances are not what we hoped they would be . Aquilani needs to be thrown in so Gerrard can be sorted i'm afraid. We'll just have to live with the consequences.

Spot on Igor

I'm sure our fans will take that into consideration if our performances are not what we hoped they would be

Not so sure about this bit though

by **Benny The Noon** » Mon Nov 30, 2009 9:10 pm

If we were in the last two months of the season and in with a chance of the title then yes play with pain killing injections but not at this stage of the season - yes we need all our best players fit but would rather be without gerrard for two months as opposed to the whole season if he tears it .

by **Penguins** » Mon Nov 30, 2009 10:21 pm

I might be totally wrong but Rafa would get toasted by the media and the fans if we loose Torres and Gerrard for 3-4 months and are hovering around 7-8 spot. I
I do hope you are right though Igor....

And Mick, most of what you say I consider horse**** and not part of reality, but I respect you opinion and you do start some good topics occasionally(even if they are bias)

by **Sir Roger** » Mon Nov 30, 2009 11:52 pm

Kuyt was terrible for 89 minutes and 50 seconds
He wasnt the only one. I would struggle to pick a man of the match. Pepe I suppose for the double save.
Kuyt is so frustrating because his obvious lack of skill stands out like a sore thumb when we arent doing well. Give him credit for the goal but not much else.

by **ConnO'var** » Tue Dec 01, 2009 1:07 am

Igor Zidane wrote:Gerrards fecked FACT . The lad needs an op pronto ,that's all that's wrong with him . Rafa needs to send Gerrard and Torres to the ozzy and we will have to rely on what we have got . I'm sure our fans will take that into consideration if our performances are not what we hoped they would be . Aquilani needs to be thrown in so Gerrard can be sorted i'm afraid. We'll just have to live with the consequences.

Agree with this 100% if he is indeed injured. If Aquilani is not yet match fit, then it's going to have to be a trial by fire. No choice at all.

If Stevie is really injured, it would be foolish to just let him carry-on on painkillers. He'd be operating at 40% ability. Surely a not match fit Aquilani can provide a reasonable effort to match that.

We paid a lot of cash for the italian..... what better way for him to get match fit than to play matches.

We're out of all key competitions barring the FA cup and Europa league. All we're playing for now is a spot in next year's Champion League so there is still some risk.

But I really think it's time to wean the rest of the team off Gerrard and Torres. They need to stand up and be counted.... and with the lack of financial resources available, the manager needs to be able to find a solution to life without our 2 key players for extended periods of time....

by **Fowler_E7** » Tue Dec 01, 2009 1:22 am

agree with everyone on gerrard, he looks like hes playing on one leg, he needs to get this injury sorted properly.

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