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Ciggy wrote:

Lando_Griffin wrote:

andy_g wrote:fair enough, lando. but despite all these facts we are doing rather poorly right now, aren't we? can you put your finger on the fact or series of facts that are at the root of this slump? its unlikely that the answers are going to be pleasant reading to anybody.

Fact 1: A shocking spell of injuries to key players.

Fact 2: The sale of Alonso.

Fact 3: The gaffer being given duff advice about Aquilani's recovery period.

Fact 4: Key players playing with their heads up their a*se.

Fact 5: A net spend of £16,000 in the summer.

Fact 6: The new players ALL being replacements for first-choice players, not additions to the squad.

Fact 7: We couldn't afford £12m for Turner (or Shawcross).

Fact 8: Rafa in general never gets his first or second-choice signings as we're always out-bid/priced-out.

That enough for you?

Lando, lando for all your and my defence of Rafa
FACT 2 It is rafas fault that Alonso is no longer here.

FACT 3 is wrong, Rafa signed an injured player and it is a FACT he hardly played, you cannot blame anyone but rafa for signing him. Im sorry mate but you cant.

Lando_Griffin wrote:

bigmick wrote:Those who've lost the argument now try and silence me by getting kicked off the forum . Dear oh dear.

Where exactly have I lost the argument you big wet ponce?

He's a big manipulative @rsehole!
"TRY AND SILENCE ME BY GETTING *ME* KICKED OFF THE FORUM"
Me Me Me... me me me.... Micky micky micky,No wonder santa starts that side of the world first matey....In fact I find it weird that he finds the time for the Northern Hemisphere considering one is so great............

bigmick wrote:

Lando_Griffin wrote:1. "Rafa has out-spent Man Utd" - when they blatantly ignore the fact that 3/4 of their team was there when Rafa signed for us. the probable reason they "blatantly ignore the fact" is that it isn't true that 3/4 of their team was there when Rafa signed for us. By my reckoning, Van Der Sar wasn't, nor was Evra, nor was Vidic, nor was Carrick, nor was Anderson, nor was Berbatov, nor was Valencia. I'm unsure about Rooney as well. That's out of their first choice eleven I think.

2. "Rafa doesn't understand the Premiership" - then he goes and gets our best-ever points total. "Rafa doesn't understand the Premiership" isn't a criticism which I lay at his door generally, although it's fair to say he did take quite a while to get his head around it. He did do well last season though, although this season has obviously been not so good.

3. "Rafa is too defensive" - yet we out-score everyone and thrape Man Utd, Madrid and Chelsea.  I'm not sure I understand your point here really. Up until the second half of last season, we played a certain style. By Rafa's own admission in the second half of last season we became more expansive. It would be silly to deny that by me, or even you to tell the truth. This season, we've arguably been OVER expansive I think most people would agree (except for the two out and out holding central midfielders). I'll leave it there though because I know and your mate don't do technicalities.


4. "Rafa has spent £200m" - ignoring the money recouped in sales and Champions' League positions. People don't "ignore" money recouped in sales. That figure comes up in "net spend" dicussions. Where you might be getting mixed up is that we've now outspent the Mancs both Gross AND Net, but they are quite different calculations.

5. "Rafa isn't good enough in the transfer market" - despite the fact that he's bought in some of the best players to ever grace Anfield. I agree with this point, I think Rafa has brought in some good players. I actually think the team is plenty good enough to challenge for the title, and have done for three seasons. Curiously, the fact that you don't think we are good enough to challenge for the title means in your eyes that you are a true fan and I'm not .

6. "Rafa isn't a winner" - despite having won everything of note but the Premiership. I can't help thinking that by this stage you are scraping the barrel in norder to make your silly insults appear more justified. I don't recall anyone ever saying Rafa "isn't a winner", I don't recall it ever even being discussed. Since we're doing facts though (or trying to) suffice to say he hasn't been enough of a "winner" at Liverpool over the last few seasons IMHO.

7. "Rafa doesn't buy British" - Well, apart from Crouch, Pennant, Hobbs, Anderson, Carson, Keane, Johnson, Bellamy, Martin, Cooper, Steven and Crowther - not to mention the ones picked up as trainees... Once again a made up insult, that or you spectacularly misunderstand most of what gets said on here. I can't be bothered to explain it now, sorry.


8. I can't be bothered even answering the rest, sorry

I was a bit bored so I started answering some of the points. Aplogies but I ran out of will to live half way through.

See what I mean about your swerves, Mick?

1. Man Utd had at their disposal the following when Rafa joined LFC:

Ferdinand, Neville, Brown, O'Shea, Fletcher, Scholes, Ronaldo, Giggs, Rooney.

That's 9 integral parts of their first-team squad. The obvious exceptions are Vidic, Van Der Sar, Evra and Tevez.


2. Who said YOU did? You must be blind as well as thick if you've missed the plentiful examples of this particular criticism on these boards...

3. How strange, I could have sworn the talk was of Rafa being defensive... Right up until some stats were posted showing that we're actually scoring more goals per game than we have done for years... How quaint.

4. They are also ridiculously inaccurate calculations, too. Only a complete prat would compare spending by taking every transaction by Rafa and the odd few by Ferguson. If it's gross and net we're after, surely we should be comparing Ferguson's spending since he joined the scum, as it seems the fashion on here to compare unfavourably? No? What's up - will it harm your propaganda?

5. It's not buys that have cost us it's injuries to key players. The only reason we didn't win the Premiership last season is because Torres and Gerrard barely ever played together.

6. I should talk to your little mono-browed pal about that one - I distinctly recall reading it in one of his ridiculous posts. (Then Saint posted that we hadn't won anything last season, blah, blah, blah, obviously forgetting that Rafa has won plenty before.)

7. How very odd - I can vividly remember this particular nugget being bandied about by your gang - must just be my memory, then...

8. After the dismal effort you made I'm not entirely suprised. Come on, Bigman - find a way to dodge those bullets...

bigmick wrote:

Number 9 wrote:

bigmick wrote:Those who've lost the argument now try and silence me by getting kicked off the forum . Dear oh dear.

 

Who the fu'ck do you think you are...Hitler,Bobby Sands,Che,Churchill,Pol Pot,Maggie Thatcher ?

Those who try and silence me?FFS wise up....Its not what you say Mick(well it is) but that is not the main reason...Its the fact that you seem to think you are some sort of hierarchy(or part of)......You are nothing important(neither am I ) or anyone on here....You parade about as if you are the king dic'k or something fecking special..............Wise up.


you ask yourself at times why certain members have left the forum...take a look in the mirror and ask if your vastly inflated ego could be ..maybe just maybe part of the reason?

Tell you what baz I've got a challenge for you. Post something sensible you silly c..., while your chewing over it, read through this thread. Then feck off.

You want to align yourself with the way these two are carrying on, that's up to you fella. All that b0ll0cks in your previous post about people complaining to mods, ask em fella I've never complained about you, lando or anyone else. The sh!t I've taken off of all you c...s over the years, and I've never complained about a post to a mod.

I'll argue football till the cows come home with anyone, I don't give a feck if people agree with my point of view or not, it's all good. What i can't abide is people who try and bully others into agreeing with their point of view. I don't like it in real life and I don't like it on here.

I've been called allsorts by some of the c...s on here over the years, I'd love to see em do it in real life I'll tell you that much.

Anyways it's all good.

You sad, pathetic weasel. You brow-beat everyone with monotonous saliva until people give up the ghost and let you dictate the ebb and flow of discussion.

Accept the fact that you bore people to quivering wrecks. Accept that 1 thread is enough to discuss 1 topic - we don't need a new one every time we win, lose, draw or you wake up with a 2-Watt lightbulb hovering over your skull.

I'm tired of it, and it would seem I'm not the only one. No-one wants to here their team being pulled apart. No-one wants negativity all the fricking time.

Stop it - it's bad for your health.

Ciggy wrote:Barry and Lando I like you both but seriously guys you are wrong here seriously.

The reason Xabi Alonso no longer plays for us is because of Rafa's persuit of Gazfeckinbaz, as much as it hurts its the truth.

And the reason Alberto Aqualini is here is because Rafa bought him and he is a crock, that could turn out a gem but he needs playing time so I would like to see him on the pitch instead of Lucas 50 pence head Leiva.

Number 9 wrote:Where did I say anything about Alonso going not being Rafas fault??That was one of his biggest errs IMO......where did I or have i said that it was not??....Yes me and Lando both talk bollox and are full of sh'it and happy clappy and all that apparently but at least try and state facts before you start agreeing with an absolute tool...............Fuc'king hell like Lyns!

Ciggy wrote:

Lando_Griffin wrote:

andy_g wrote:fair enough, lando. but despite all these facts we are doing rather poorly right now, aren't we? can you put your finger on the fact or series of facts that are at the root of this slump? its unlikely that the answers are going to be pleasant reading to anybody.

Fact 1: A shocking spell of injuries to key players.

Fact 2: The sale of Alonso.

Fact 3: The gaffer being given duff advice about Aquilani's recovery period.

Fact 4: Key players playing with their heads up their a*se.

Fact 5: A net spend of £16,000 in the summer.

Fact 6: The new players ALL being replacements for first-choice players, not additions to the squad.

Fact 7: We couldn't afford £12m for Turner (or Shawcross).

Fact 8: Rafa in general never gets his first or second-choice signings as we're always out-bid/priced-out.

That enough for you?

Lando, lando for all your and my defence of Rafa
FACT 2 It is rafas fault that Alonso is no longer here.

FACT 3 is wrong, Rafa signed an injured player and it is a FACT he hardly played, you cannot blame anyone but rafa for signing him. Im sorry mate but you cant.

Ciggy wrote:Barry and Lando I like you both but seriously guys you are wrong here seriously.

The reason Xabi Alonso no longer plays for us is because of Rafa's persuit of Gazfeckinbaz, as much as it hurts its the truth.

And the reason Alberto Aqualini is here is because Rafa bought him and he is a crock, that could turn out a gem but he needs playing time so I would like to see him on the pitch instead of Lucas 50 pence head Leiva.

bigmick wrote: Fecking hell, unbelieveable really.

Lando_Griffin wrote:I didn't say it wasn't Rafa's fault - but you can't deny that, had the owners given him the money for Barry, Alonso would never have been unsettled.

As for the signing of Aquilani, if you can't trust a World-leading doctor, who can you trust?