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The_Rock wrote:My take........

Benitez is not clueless, is not tactically naive...etc ...... He is just waiting to get sacked. and do is doing everything to ensure he does get sacked.

I know some ppl here won't like it when i say this.....but this is the only thing i can think off after some of his substitution decisions today. 

Why is it this that up to the moment we go "1" up ... we play pretty well but once its 1 -0 we seem to go back to defending the lead and allow the oppositon to dictate play ? 

Its getting ridiculous in the sense that, it's happening almost everygame recently (apart from the manure game tat is).

I've read some utter tosh in my time but that is certainly up there.

Rafa is now doing everything he can to get the sack?!  You are clueless, he brought them on yesterday because we needed to win, we needed to bring players on to hold on.

I personally think going out will be a blessing in disguise, I know it wont seem it now but now we can focus on the league and maybe now in UEFA Cup matches we wont need to rely on Gerrard and Torres and we can get them 100% fit.

Focusing on the League is the most important thing in the world right now for us as fans, so let's forget about this failure and going support the lads for 3 points on a Saturday/Sunday.

Win in the Derby match and Arsenal then people soon forget about their worries.

COME ON YOU REDMEN!

Anfield's Finest wrote:

The_Rock wrote:My take........

Benitez is not clueless, is not tactically naive...etc ...... He is just waiting to get sacked. and do is doing everything to ensure he does get sacked.

I know some ppl here won't like it when i say this.....but this is the only thing i can think off after some of his substitution decisions today. 

Why is it this that up to the moment we go "1" up ... we play pretty well but once its 1 -0 we seem to go back to defending the lead and allow the oppositon to dictate play ? 

Its getting ridiculous in the sense that, it's happening almost everygame recently (apart from the manure game tat is).

I've read some utter tosh in my time but that is certainly up there.

Rafa is now doing everything he can to get the sack?!  You are clueless, he brought them on yesterday because we needed to win, we needed to bring players on to hold on.

I personally think going out will be a blessing in disguise, I know it wont seem it now but now we can focus on the league and maybe now in UEFA Cup matches we wont need to rely on Gerrard and Torres and we can get them 100% fit.

Focusing on the League is the most important thing in the world right now for us as fans, so let's forget about this failure and going support the lads for 3 points on a Saturday/Sunday.

Win in the Derby match and Arsenal then people soon forget about their worries.

COME ON YOU REDMEN!

Anfield's Finest wrote:

The_Rock wrote:My take........

Benitez is not clueless, is not tactically naive...etc ...... He is just waiting to get sacked. and do is doing everything to ensure he does get sacked.

I know some ppl here won't like it when i say this.....but this is the only thing i can think off after some of his substitution decisions today. 

Why is it this that up to the moment we go "1" up ... we play pretty well but once its 1 -0 we seem to go back to defending the lead and allow the oppositon to dictate play ? 

Its getting ridiculous in the sense that, it's happening almost everygame recently (apart from the manure game tat is).

I've read some utter tosh in my time but that is certainly up there.

Rafa is now doing everything he can to get the sack?!  You are clueless, he brought them on yesterday because we needed to win, we needed to bring players on to hold on.

I personally think going out will be a blessing in disguise, I know it wont seem it now but now we can focus on the league and maybe now in UEFA Cup matches we wont need to rely on Gerrard and Torres and we can get them 100% fit.

Focusing on the League is the most important thing in the world right now for us as fans, so let's forget about this failure and going support the lads for 3 points on a Saturday/Sunday.

Win in the Derby match and Arsenal then people soon forget about their worries.

COME ON YOU REDMEN!

Yeah let's focus on the league. We can still win that.   

Emerald Red wrote:

heimdall wrote:Well that isn't really fair now is it. I can be very positive sometimes, when I feel positive, which hasn't really happened this season apart form the win against Manure, have you been feeling positive this season.

In what way do I post sh1t? At least I don't call fellow posters names like a toddler.

Just because someone has an opposing view doesn't mean it's sh1t.

Even the most staunch and stubborn supporter of the manager will not tell you that he is infallable and prone to error. He most certainly is. The man p*sses me off at times, but I'm not about to resort to thinking he's clueless, and idiot, or taking the club backwards and destroying the club even, as it's been put. That to me smacks of someone who just hasn't an ounce of a clue what he/she is talking about. If we were a club that sacked a manager every time we were in a bad rutt, we'd be Newcastle United. If Rafa Benitez got sacked tomorrow, so be it. If he walks, so be it. We move on. If someone like Dalglish took over I'd be chuffed. But what if Dalglish failed to turn our fortunes around? Would people be saying the same sh*t about him? I highly doubt it. Having the likes of Dalglish take over does not mean to say that he'll instantly do a job for us as some people like to imagine.

Anfield's Finest wrote:

The_Rock wrote:My take........

Benitez is not clueless, is not tactically naive...etc ...... He is just waiting to get sacked. and do is doing everything to ensure he does get sacked.

I know some ppl here won't like it when i say this.....but this is the only thing i can think off after some of his substitution decisions today. 

Why is it this that up to the moment we go "1" up ... we play pretty well but once its 1 -0 we seem to go back to defending the lead and allow the oppositon to dictate play ? 

Its getting ridiculous in the sense that, it's happening almost everygame recently (apart from the manure game tat is).

I've read some utter tosh in my time but that is certainly up there.

Rafa is now doing everything he can to get the sack?!  You are clueless, he brought them on yesterday because we needed to win, we needed to bring players on to hold on.

I personally think going out will be a blessing in disguise, I know it wont seem it now but now we can focus on the league and maybe now in UEFA Cup matches we wont need to rely on Gerrard and Torres and we can get them 100% fit.

Focusing on the League is the most important thing in the world right now for us as fans, so let's forget about this failure and going support the lads for 3 points on a Saturday/Sunday.

Win in the Derby match and Arsenal then people soon forget about their worries.

COME ON YOU REDMEN!

Hang on, he took off our only striker, who actually had an ok'ish game, in an effort to win the game, please explain that one to me. Also giving Aquaman 30 seconds was a brilliant tactical move  And Dossena for Aurelio, well surely that makes sense to everyone doesn't it, anybody anybody. 

lakes10 wrote:ok so i am back posting, life can be and sometimes and then when that happens it makes you think what matters in life.

as for Rafa, well i just dont understand him, what has gone on with some of our players just of late has been shocking, poor subs, players slagging Rafa off in the press, poor results, none of it is good for the club.

so ok should Rafa get the sack, well in truth they are going to try to make him walk (and going by something i was told, they might have even asked him if he would like to go last weekend).

i do feel that he is only here right now as the owners can not find a better manager that would take the job and if JM called the owners and asked if he could have the job i think Rafa would be sacked in an hour.

the late sub last night just sums up Rafa, i do think he has lost the plot, yes he has got unlucky with players getting hurt, but what that has shown is that he has not taken the right players to the club so when our best players are out we are a very weak team.

do i think he can turn the club around...........well what are we looking for, if its to make sure we get into the cl next year then yes he can do that easy, but if its to win the prem in the next 2 years no.

if playing well in the the cl is you main goal for this club then yes keep him, if winning the prem is your goal for this club then we need to look for another manager.

my stress over football is nothing right now and to tell you the truth i dont give a if he stays or is sacked right now...................but soon i will be back to my old self asking for him to be sacked so dont worry.

Sorry Lakes but why do you think we can easily get 4th spot or do well in the CL next season, current evidence seems to point against that.
BTW what is it you have heard this time, it's not from the same ML source is it? I am desperate for news of Rafa fecking off, I really think that with him at the helm we will NOT get 4th spot this year, especially since this is a man who thinks we have a strong squad.  and I actually think he believes that himself. Also I don't like this one game a at a time mentality from him, you have to plan a bit further ahead Rafa, ffs!

heimdall wrote:

lakes10 wrote:ok so i am back posting, life can be and sometimes and then when that happens it makes you think what matters in life.

as for Rafa, well i just dont understand him, what has gone on with some of our players just of late has been shocking, poor subs, players slagging Rafa off in the press, poor results, none of it is good for the club.

so ok should Rafa get the sack, well in truth they are going to try to make him walk (and going by something i was told, they might have even asked him if he would like to go last weekend).

i do feel that he is only here right now as the owners can not find a better manager that would take the job and if JM called the owners and asked if he could have the job i think Rafa would be sacked in an hour.

the late sub last night just sums up Rafa, i do think he has lost the plot, yes he has got unlucky with players getting hurt, but what that has shown is that he has not taken the right players to the club so when our best players are out we are a very weak team.

do i think he can turn the club around...........well what are we looking for, if its to make sure we get into the cl next year then yes he can do that easy, but if its to win the prem in the next 2 years no.

if playing well in the the cl is you main goal for this club then yes keep him, if winning the prem is your goal for this club then we need to look for another manager.

my stress over football is nothing right now and to tell you the truth i dont give a if he stays or is sacked right now...................but soon i will be back to my old self asking for him to be sacked so dont worry.

Sorry Lakes but why do you think we can easily get 4th spot or do well in the CL next season, current evidence seems to point against that.
BTW what is it you have heard this time, it's not from the same ML source is it? I am desperate for news of Rafa fecking off, I really think that with him at the helm we will NOT get 4th spot this year, especially since this is a man who thinks we have a strong squad.  and I actually think he believes that himself. Also I don't like this one game a at a time mentality from him, you have to plan a bit further ahead Rafa, ffs!

lakes10 wrote:

heimdall wrote:

lakes10 wrote:ok so i am back posting, life can be and sometimes and then when that happens it makes you think what matters in life.

as for Rafa, well i just dont understand him, what has gone on with some of our players just of late has been shocking, poor subs, players slagging Rafa off in the press, poor results, none of it is good for the club.

so ok should Rafa get the sack, well in truth they are going to try to make him walk (and going by something i was told, they might have even asked him if he would like to go last weekend).

i do feel that he is only here right now as the owners can not find a better manager that would take the job and if JM called the owners and asked if he could have the job i think Rafa would be sacked in an hour.

the late sub last night just sums up Rafa, i do think he has lost the plot, yes he has got unlucky with players getting hurt, but what that has shown is that he has not taken the right players to the club so when our best players are out we are a very weak team.

do i think he can turn the club around...........well what are we looking for, if its to make sure we get into the cl next year then yes he can do that easy, but if its to win the prem in the next 2 years no.

if playing well in the the cl is you main goal for this club then yes keep him, if winning the prem is your goal for this club then we need to look for another manager.

my stress over football is nothing right now and to tell you the truth i dont give a if he stays or is sacked right now...................but soon i will be back to my old self asking for him to be sacked so dont worry.

Sorry Lakes but why do you think we can easily get 4th spot or do well in the CL next season, current evidence seems to point against that.
BTW what is it you have heard this time, it's not from the same ML source is it? I am desperate for news of Rafa fecking off, I really think that with him at the helm we will NOT get 4th spot this year, especially since this is a man who thinks we have a strong squad.  and I actually think he believes that himself. Also I don't like this one game a at a time mentality from him, you have to plan a bit further ahead Rafa, ffs!

its due to the teams pushing us are not up to it, at the end of the day we still have a good team and when rafa puts his mind to it he can get them to play well (man u game). Rafa lives for the CL and this will make work a lot harder to make sure we are in it next year.

i was having a play with one of them table things last night, the one were you put in the results and you can work out what is needed, anyway i done a few of them and it worked out that we could still throw away another 15 points and still make it into the cl (based on other teams results) spurs are only going to go down hill from here, they hit their top the other day, all down hill for them from now.

stmichael wrote:It's still pointless Rafa going in the middle of the season. Anyone coming in will have the same issues.

tonyeh wrote:

stmichael wrote:It's still pointless Rafa going in the middle of the season. Anyone coming in will have the same issues.

Yes, but they might have a better method and approach to those issues Mick.

Benitez has Plan A, Plan B and Plan C.

But they problem is Plan B and C is exactly the same as Plan A.

With all the obvious problems in set-up, tactics and approach, Benitez has tried NOTHING different. He has persisted in his folly. You know, you may get that square peg into a round hole eventually, but you'll end up doing a lot of damage to your pieces.

Benitez to me, is like a stopped clock. He may be right twice a day, but a lot of the time he's just just wrong.

Honestly, if he continues with his hand on the tiller, I can seriously see Liverpool plumetting down to the bottom half of the table.