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by **Emerald Red** » Wed Nov 25, 2009 1:53 am

To cast ones mind back to 2007 when we aquired our two biggest flops in the history of LFC. It's no coincidence that since then this club has had turmoil than it's ever had.

YANKS OUT! You reap what you sow. We're reaping it now. Was only a matter of time.

Yes, folks; for me it really is as simple as that.

by **heimdall** » Wed Nov 25, 2009 2:01 am

Emerald Red wrote:To cast ones mind back to 2007 when we aquired our two biggest flops in the history of LFC. It's no coincidence that since then this club has had turmoil than it's ever had.

YANKS OUT! You reap what you sow. We're reaping it now. Was only a matter of time.

Yes, folks; for me it really is as simple as that.

Well we must be a tempting buy for any billionaire out there.

Are you seriously saying that our current woes are all down to the owners, was it also down to them that we played so well last year then? I don't quite understand what they did to turn the team into :censored:

between the end of last season and now, can you explain that to me?

OR maybe it's just easier more towing the line to blame them than to blame Rafa, is that the real reason Emerald?

by **Simari** » Wed Nov 25, 2009 2:05 am

heimdall wrote:
Emerald Red wrote:To cast ones mind back to 2007 when we aquired our two biggest flops in the history of LFC. It's no coincidence that since then this club has had turmoil than it's ever had.

YANKS OUT! You reap what you sow. We're reaping it now. Was only a matter of time.

Yes, folks; for me it really is as simple as that.

Well we must be a tempting buy for any billionaire out there.

Are you seriously saying that our current woes are all down to the owners, was it also down to them that we played so well last year then? I don't quite understand what they did to turn the team into between the end of last season and now, can you explain that to me?

OR maybe it's just easier more towing the line to blame them than to blame Rafa, is that the real reason Emerald?

Much easier to blame Heimdall :wwww

by **heimdall** » Wed Nov 25, 2009 2:06 am

Simari wrote:
heimdall wrote:
Emerald Red wrote:To cast ones mind back to 2007 when we aquired our two biggest flops in the history of LFC. It's no coincidence that since then this club has had turmoil than it's ever had.

YANKS OUT! You reap what you sow. We're reaping it now. Was only a matter of time.

Yes, folks; for me it really is as simple as that.

Well we must be a tempting buy for any billionaire out there.

Are you seriously saying that our current woes are all down to the owners, was it also down to them that we played so well last year then? I don't quite understand what they did to turn the team into between the end of last season and now, can you explain that to me?

OR maybe it's just easier more towing the line to blame them than to blame Rafa, is that the real reason Emerald?

Much easier to blame Heimdall

Always

by **Kharhaz** » Wed Nov 25, 2009 2:06 am

Lando is like LeonMc, wears his heart on his sleeve. Redhayesy is also right. Reword it all you like, it is the same ole. So many are trying to put our finger on where it has gone so wrong this season. And it has been suggested so many times its rafas fault. By myself included, I have got to the point were I am losing faith but then (usually after the pain of defeat or a dissappointing draw) I pull myself together and get ready for the next match. Its a tricky time for everyone associated with this great club of ours, I think its fair to say we are all feeling a bit depressed, but the last thing we need is another "lets revisit the excuse thread". My sentiments are the same as Redhayesy, this isnt a direct dig at Bigmick, its a case of we are all suffering because of the season so far, and the nightmare it has become. Its not helping anyone by pointing out the negatives in which we all know their are many, what would help is a good nights sleep for many of us. With the pain in the @sses we face at work, or family, and in the pub. We are going to need all the strength we can muster to not punch the tw@ts!

A good nights sleep, wake up with the knowledge we are not going to win the champs league this year and get on with supporting the club. As supporters, we have to deal with others in public. Let the mancs and the bitters have their fun. You never know, we may well come out of this season yet with something to celebrate. Its been appalling so far, it has to come right at some stage.

by **Emerald Red** » Wed Nov 25, 2009 2:09 am

heimdall wrote:
Emerald Red wrote:To cast ones mind back to 2007 when we aquired our two biggest flops in the history of LFC. It's no coincidence that since then this club has had turmoil than it's ever had.

YANKS OUT! You reap what you sow. We're reaping it now. Was only a matter of time.

Yes, folks; for me it really is as simple as that.

Well we must be a tempting buy for any billionaire out there.

Are you seriously saying that our current woes are all down to the owners, was it also down to them that we played so well last year then? I don't quite understand what they did to turn the team into between the end of last season and now, can you explain that to me?

OR maybe it's just easier more towing the line to blame them than to blame Rafa, is that the real reason Emerald?

Yeah, genius. that's what I'm saying. We've been run like a pack of w"nkers by a pack of w"nkers for as long as I can remember. It's the core problem with this football club, and until we get owners and a board that know what the f*ck they are doing, we'll never climb out of the pit we are in. Our team suddenly just didn't go from an excellent one to a bad one for no reason overnight. The constant spats from the top down are taking their toll. Once discontent starts at the top, it's like a cancer that will eat through any kind of business. We're a business now. We should have professional business people running us. Instead we've got two c*nts who haven't a clue what business they are in, which is football, and have no business whatsoever to do with it or our club. Simples.

Another thing, Rafa isn't immune from my critisism. Tonight I hadn't a f*ckin clue what he was playing at, really. But there's one thing I do have empathy for the man for, and that's that I can understand that his job is incredibly difficult. Of course, to some of you armchair managers, it's black and white. It's all very easy thinking who should or shouldn't play etc etc. Any manager to come into this club will swiftly find just how difficult a job it is to manage this club in the state that it's in. But you'll find that out in the future, or maybe not. I said almost two years ago that Rafa's job was safe for at least another 3 years. I got ripped into and even laughed at. Who's laughing now, eh? Benitez will be the manager of this club until this summer and beyond that. Mark my words and get used to that fact.

by **heimdall** » Wed Nov 25, 2009 2:11 am

Kharhaz wrote:Lando is like LeonMc, wears his heart on his sleeve. Redhayesy is also right. Reword it all you like, it is the same ole. So many are trying to put our finger on where it has gone so wrong this season. And it has been suggested so many times its rafas fault. By myself included, I have got to the point were I am losing faith but then (usually after the pain of defeat or a dissappointing draw) I pull myself together and get ready for the next match. Its a tricky time for everyone associated with this great club of ours, I think its fair to say we are all feeling a bit depressed, but the last thing we need is another "lets revisit the excuse thread". My sentiments are the same as Redhayesy, this isnt a direct dig at Bigmick, its a case of we are all suffering because of the season so far, and the nightmare it has become. Its not helping anyone by pointing out the negatives in which we all know their are many, what would help is a good nights sleep for many of us. With the pain in the @sses we face at work, or family, and in the pub. We are going to need all the strength we can muster to not punch the tw@ts!

A good nights sleep, wake up with the knowledge we are not going to win the champs league this year and get on with supporting the club. As supporters, we have to deal with others in public. Let the mancs and the bitters have their fun. You never know, we may well come out of this season yet with something to celebrate. Its been appalling so far, it has to come right at some stage.

So is your solution blind faith because it sounds like it. I live by the adage that if something is wrong you fix it, at the moment LFC is wrong and it needs fixing and that fix is to replace the manager because if we don't we may within the next few years become a mid table team, that is how critical this time s and is why Purslow scares the :censored:

out of me, "Europa league is as profitable as CL", is he on drugs or something??

by **heimdall** » Wed Nov 25, 2009 2:13 am

Emerald Red wrote:
heimdall wrote:
Emerald Red wrote:To cast ones mind back to 2007 when we aquired our two biggest flops in the history of LFC. It's no coincidence that since then this club has had turmoil than it's ever had.

YANKS OUT! You reap what you sow. We're reaping it now. Was only a matter of time.

Yes, folks; for me it really is as simple as that.

Well we must be a tempting buy for any billionaire out there.

Are you seriously saying that our current woes are all down to the owners, was it also down to them that we played so well last year then? I don't quite understand what they did to turn the team into between the end of last season and now, can you explain that to me?

OR maybe it's just easier more towing the line to blame them than to blame Rafa, is that the real reason Emerald?

Yeah, genius. that's what I'm saying. We've been run like a pack of w"nkers by a pack of w"nkers for as long as I can remember. It's the core problem with this football club, and until we get owners and a board that know what the f*ck they are doing, we'll never climb out of the pit we are in. Our team suddenly just didn't go from an excellent one to a bad one for no reason overnight. The constant spats from the top down are taking their toll. Once discontent starts at the top, it's like a cancer that will eat through any kind of business. We're a business now. We should have professional business people running us. Instead we've got two c*nts who haven't a clue what business they are in, which is football, and have no business whatsoever to do with it or our club. Simples.

Don't dodge my question please, answer it. How is it the owners fault that we went from a very competitive team last year to the :censored:

we are at the moment? What did they do over the summer to destroy the team?

by **Simari** » Wed Nov 25, 2009 2:14 am

heimdall wrote:
Kharhaz wrote:Lando is like LeonMc, wears his heart on his sleeve. Redhayesy is also right. Reword it all you like, it is the same ole. So many are trying to put our finger on where it has gone so wrong this season. And it has been suggested so many times its rafas fault. By myself included, I have got to the point were I am losing faith but then (usually after the pain of defeat or a dissappointing draw) I pull myself together and get ready for the next match. Its a tricky time for everyone associated with this great club of ours, I think its fair to say we are all feeling a bit depressed, but the last thing we need is another "lets revisit the excuse thread". My sentiments are the same as Redhayesy, this isnt a direct dig at Bigmick, its a case of we are all suffering because of the season so far, and the nightmare it has become. Its not helping anyone by pointing out the negatives in which we all know their are many, what would help is a good nights sleep for many of us. With the pain in the @sses we face at work, or family, and in the pub. We are going to need all the strength we can muster to not punch the tw@ts!

A good nights sleep, wake up with the knowledge we are not going to win the champs league this year and get on with supporting the club. As supporters, we have to deal with others in public. Let the mancs and the bitters have their fun. You never know, we may well come out of this season yet with something to celebrate. Its been appalling so far, it has to come right at some stage.

So is your solution blind faith because it sounds like it. I live by the adage that if something is wrong you fix it, at the moment LFC is wrong and it needs fixing and that fix is to replace the manager because if we don't we may within the next few years become a mid table team, that is how critical this time s and is why Purslow scares the out of me, "Europa league is as profitable as CL", is he on drugs or something??

Heimdall - replacing Rafa at this stage will fix nothing.

There isn't a single top quality manager out there who would willingly join the club given our current financial predicament.

by **Kharhaz** » Wed Nov 25, 2009 2:18 am

heimdall wrote:
Kharhaz wrote:Lando is like LeonMc, wears his heart on his sleeve. Redhayesy is also right. Reword it all you like, it is the same ole. So many are trying to put our finger on where it has gone so wrong this season. And it has been suggested so many times its rafas fault. By myself included, I have got to the point were I am losing faith but then (usually after the pain of defeat or a dissappointing draw) I pull myself together and get ready for the next match. Its a tricky time for everyone associated with this great club of ours, I think its fair to say we are all feeling a bit depressed, but the last thing we need is another "lets revisit the excuse thread". My sentiments are the same as Redhayesy, this isnt a direct dig at Bigmick, its a case of we are all suffering because of the season so far, and the nightmare it has become. Its not helping anyone by pointing out the negatives in which we all know their are many, what would help is a good nights sleep for many of us. With the pain in the @sses we face at work, or family, and in the pub. We are going to need all the strength we can muster to not punch the tw@ts!

A good nights sleep, wake up with the knowledge we are not going to win the champs league this year and get on with supporting the club. As supporters, we have to deal with others in public. Let the mancs and the bitters have their fun. You never know, we may well come out of this season yet with something to celebrate. Its been appalling so far, it has to come right at some stage.

So is your solution blind faith because it sounds like it. I live by the adage that if something is wrong you fix it, at the moment LFC is wrong and it needs fixing and that fix is to replace the manager because if we don't we may within the next few years become a mid table team, that is how critical this time s and is why Purslow scares the out of me, "Europa league is as profitable as CL", is he on drugs or something??

No, blind faith is not my forte. Bitching and moaning about our problems isnt either. We are in a situation that, as supporters, we can do nothing about. Be it the owners or management or players. All we can do is stand in the stadium, bellow our support and leave knowing that we have done our bit.

The blame is carried out throughout this forum, Kuyt, Lucas, Babel, Rafa, the yanks. Blame who you like, it isnt helping anyone. I understand as a supporter the frustration, but I also understand reason.

By all means, fix what is broken. The question is, where do you bloody start?

by **Lando_Griffin** » Wed Nov 25, 2009 2:25 am

heimdall wrote:Lando is funny, not sure he means to be though.

he always gives such a balanced view and treats everyone with respect oh and he redefines the word irony with every post

In this case Lando accusing BM of being an ego maniac, I mean seriously you couldn't make it up could you, well actually Lando could but most mere mortals surely couldn't.

Lando please tell me how old you are and why you feel the need to question peoples intelligence all the time, why are you so insecure that you feel the need to attack others? Come on share with the forum, maybe it'll be the first step on the road to recovery, I still think you should see a psychiatrist though for anger management if nothing else, I dread to think how you treat your "loved" ones or indeed how you have been treated.

Another example of an idiot following the crowd.

Why can't it be that I am just so completely angered by the ignorance shown by the like of you?

Don't try to be a psychiatrist, Heimdall - you'd get sacked inside a minute.

by **Emerald Red** » Wed Nov 25, 2009 2:27 am

heimdall wrote:
Emerald Red wrote:
heimdall wrote:
Emerald Red wrote:To cast ones mind back to 2007 when we aquired our two biggest flops in the history of LFC. It's no coincidence that since then this club has had turmoil than it's ever had.

YANKS OUT! You reap what you sow. We're reaping it now. Was only a matter of time.

Yes, folks; for me it really is as simple as that.

Well we must be a tempting buy for any billionaire out there.

Are you seriously saying that our current woes are all down to the owners, was it also down to them that we played so well last year then? I don't quite understand what they did to turn the team into between the end of last season and now, can you explain that to me?

OR maybe it's just easier more towing the line to blame them than to blame Rafa, is that the real reason Emerald?

Yeah, genius. that's what I'm saying. We've been run like a pack of w"nkers by a pack of w"nkers for as long as I can remember. It's the core problem with this football club, and until we get owners and a board that know what the f*ck they are doing, we'll never climb out of the pit we are in. Our team suddenly just didn't go from an excellent one to a bad one for no reason overnight. The constant spats from the top down are taking their toll. Once discontent starts at the top, it's like a cancer that will eat through any kind of business. We're a business now. We should have professional business people running us. Instead we've got two c*nts who haven't a clue what business they are in, which is football, and have no business whatsoever to do with it or our club. Simples.

Don't dodge my question please, answer it. How is it the owners fault that we went from a very competitive team last year to the we are at the moment? What did they do over the summer to destroy the team?

How about not coughing up the money to buy the "other big signings" that Rafa spoke of after he signed Johson? How about the little leprechaun's outburts about Rafa at a pivotal point in the season two months ago causing anarchy in the press and possibly throughout the whol club? Seems that every single time the manager's job is questioned, one of the kunts comes out with a statement to unsettle things. Is that coincidence? They want the manager to walk, simple as that. They don't want to pay out. They'll stoop lower than a snakes balls to get him to do that. That must be galling for a manger to put up with, nevermind the players. Oh, and have you developed some kind of memory disfunction or something? How many injuries have we had again? Oh, I forgot - a team should still be able to function if you injure the entire squad. I mean, if it were United or Chelsea, they would cope, right? Right? Now, someone kindly go and check the stats for that one regarding the other teams. I know United had a problem with injuries last season and they'd a very poor start. Arsenal the season before had bad injuries in the middle, and they eventually slumped and gave the title to United. Injuries DO take their toll on ANY side. We've had the worst injury list in recent memory at this club this season. In 25 years or so of me supporting this club, I've not seen an injury list like it. We'd possibly still be in Europe and maybe half a dozen points better off in the league but for it.

by **account deleted by request** » Wed Nov 25, 2009 2:30 am

Simari wrote:Heimdall - replacing Rafa at this stage will fix nothing.

There isn't a single top quality manager out there who would willingly join the club given our current financial predicament.

I don't want to drag this thread into ANOTHER who will we get as manager ...... he won't come...... we can't afford him..... he's too old etc etc, but we have someone at the club now who has SHOWN you don't need to spend a fortune to take a club from second place to champions..... Dalglish.

Liverpool won NOTHING the season before he took over, they won the league and Fa cup in his first season without spending a fortune on players. Gaining more points than Rafa ever has along the way.

So lets take it for granted that "someone" somewhere will be willing to take on the job and get back on topic..

by **Kharhaz** » Wed Nov 25, 2009 2:39 am

Emerald Red wrote:How about not coughing up the money to buy the "other big signings" that Rafa spoke of after he signed Johson? How about the little leprechaun's outburts about Rafa at a pivotal point in the season two months ago causing anarchy in the press and possibly throughout the whol club? Seems that every single time the manager's job is questioned, one of the kunts comes out with a statement to unsettle things. Is that coincidence? They want the manager to walk, simple as that. They don't want to pay out. They'll stoop lower than a snakes balls to get him to do that. That must be galling for a manger to put up with, nevermind the players. Oh, and have you developed some kind of memory disfunction or something? How many injuries have we had again? Oh, I forgot - a team should still be able to function if you injure the entire squad. I mean, if it were United or Chelsea, they would cope, right? Right? Now, someone kindly go and check the stats for that one regarding the other teams. I know United had a problem with injuries last season and they'd a very poor start. Arsenal the season before had bad injuries in the middle, and they eventually slumped and gave the title to United. Injuries DO take their toll on ANY side. We've had the worst injury list in recent memory at this club this season. In 25 years or so of me supporting this club, I've not seen an injury list like it. We'd possibly still be in Europe and maybe half a dozen points better off in the league but for it.

If the owners wanted rid of Rafa, why give him a bumper 5 year deal?

Also, rafa said after he signed Johnson he could afford one more big name player but when the season started said he was happy with what he has.

My point being I dont blame the owners one jot for our performances on the pitch. Love or loath the yanks, rafa has all but been given the run of the club since they took over. His new contract has all but confirmed he will be here for a while yet. In fact, I find it harder to blame the owners for our current performances, rafa is more or less in total control aside from the financial side. He has the players he wants to keep on much improved contracts and overspent on a fullback and a midfielder that has yet to play a game for us. No, the owners cannot possibly be blamed for our current predicament.

by **Emerald Red** » Wed Nov 25, 2009 2:54 am

Kharhaz wrote:
Emerald Red wrote:How about not coughing up the money to buy the "other big signings" that Rafa spoke of after he signed Johson? How about the little leprechaun's outburts about Rafa at a pivotal point in the season two months ago causing anarchy in the press and possibly throughout the whol club? Seems that every single time the manager's job is questioned, one of the kunts comes out with a statement to unsettle things. Is that coincidence? They want the manager to walk, simple as that. They don't want to pay out. They'll stoop lower than a snakes balls to get him to do that. That must be galling for a manger to put up with, nevermind the players. Oh, and have you developed some kind of memory disfunction or something? How many injuries have we had again? Oh, I forgot - a team should still be able to function if you injure the entire squad. I mean, if it were United or Chelsea, they would cope, right? Right? Now, someone kindly go and check the stats for that one regarding the other teams. I know United had a problem with injuries last season and they'd a very poor start. Arsenal the season before had bad injuries in the middle, and they eventually slumped and gave the title to United. Injuries DO take their toll on ANY side. We've had the worst injury list in recent memory at this club this season. In 25 years or so of me supporting this club, I've not seen an injury list like it. We'd possibly still be in Europe and maybe half a dozen points better off in the league but for it.

If the owners wanted rid of Rafa, why give him a bumper 5 year deal?

What other options had they at the time? Surely you haven't forgotten the whole Klinsman saga? If that isn't proof enough that they haven't a clue what to be doing, nothing is. I'm fairly confident that it was fan pressure that forced that deal.

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