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by **Gerrard30391** » Wed Nov 25, 2009 1:42 am

Lando_Griffin wrote:
s@int wrote:
stmichael wrote:the manager can only do so much.

The question is ...... is he doing enough ? We have won nothing for three years, only won one game in our last ten, out of the league already and our CL place is out of our hands.

This is the team that Rafa built, if it fails ...... he fails.

Did Rafa not build last season's team., then?

..yes he did, and what did they win? Didly squat!

Team can be as good as you like but at the end of the day its about winning, and that's something we didnt do, and arent doing.

I've lost my faith in Rafa now tbph, its one step forward two steps back atm.

by **heimdall** » Wed Nov 25, 2009 1:53 am

redhayesy wrote:
stmichael wrote:
JohnBull wrote:The worst day this club ever had was CUP NUMBER 5 - talk about papering over the cracks !!!!

Raffa is obviously an honest guy but he's just not up to the task. We won No5 because he was forced to play Hamman in the 2nd half - was not a miracle decision, was not a stroke of genius, the man didn't have a clue !!!

in terms of the most ridiculous posts i have ever read on this forum, that has to be right up there.

thing is mate, that is what has happened on this forum lately! it really is hard to bite your tongue when things like that are posted.

i'd love to post on here more, but i just can't be doing with the hassle, cause i know i won't get into a discussion which is well thought out or knowledgable about the club etc, with some on here. so i'm not going to waste any of my valuable time on WUM's that get on here. i'm just going to focus on standing by the team through thick an thin cause that's the priority for me at the moment, nothing else! starting with tonight's game.

COME ON YOU MIGHTY REDS!

good post, I certainly never tire of the wide ranging and in depth footballing analysis that leads people like you into calling me every curse under the sun.

BTW seems like you are posting plenty these days so congrats for struggling through.

by **heimdall** » Wed Nov 25, 2009 1:58 am

Gerrard30391 wrote:
Lando_Griffin wrote:
s@int wrote:
stmichael wrote:the manager can only do so much.

The question is ...... is he doing enough ? We have won nothing for three years, only won one game in our last ten, out of the league already and our CL place is out of our hands.

This is the team that Rafa built, if it fails ...... he fails.

Did Rafa not build last season's team., then?

..yes he did, and what did they win? Didly squat!

Team can be as good as you like but at the end of the day its about winning, and that's something we didnt do, and arent doing.

I've lost my faith in Rafa now tbph, its one step forward two steps back atm.

I lost faith in rafa a long long time ago but I now have another enemy, Purslow, did you guys see that slimeball on the TV, feck me I wouldn't trust that guy as far as I could throw him. "The money we'll make from being in 3 europa league matches will be the same as if we went through to the next stage of the CL", WTF??? was his nose growing whilst he was saying that? I caught the distinct wiff of BS even through my TV.

I reckon if Rafa looses to the bitters he'll be out because I would take anything that Purslow says with a shovel of salt.

by **Emerald Red** » Wed Nov 25, 2009 1:59 am

heimdall wrote:
redhayesy wrote:
stmichael wrote:
JohnBull wrote:The worst day this club ever had was CUP NUMBER 5 - talk about papering over the cracks !!!!

Raffa is obviously an honest guy but he's just not up to the task. We won No5 because he was forced to play Hamman in the 2nd half - was not a miracle decision, was not a stroke of genius, the man didn't have a clue !!!

in terms of the most ridiculous posts i have ever read on this forum, that has to be right up there.

thing is mate, that is what has happened on this forum lately! it really is hard to bite your tongue when things like that are posted.

i'd love to post on here more, but i just can't be doing with the hassle, cause i know i won't get into a discussion which is well thought out or knowledgable about the club etc, with some on here. so i'm not going to waste any of my valuable time on WUM's that get on here. i'm just going to focus on standing by the team through thick an thin cause that's the priority for me at the moment, nothing else! starting with tonight's game.

COME ON YOU MIGHTY REDS!

good post, I certainly never tire of the wide ranging and in depth footballing analysis that leads people like you into calling me every curse under the sun.

BTW seems like you are posting plenty these days so congrats for struggling through.

Thing is, you deserve it. It really does insult people who've been following this club for the better part of 30 years or more to read some of the absolute shyte you, and others like john bullsh*t, post. No harm or anything, Heimdall, but from the shyte you post, you really wouldn't believe you're a Liverpool supporter. You do nothing but b*tch and moan.

by **heimdall** » Wed Nov 25, 2009 2:04 am

Well that isn't really fair now is it. I can be very positive sometimes, when I feel positive, which hasn't really happened this season apart form the win against Manure, have you been feeling positive this season.

In what way do I post sh1t? At least I don't call fellow posters names like a toddler.

Just because someone has an opposing view doesn't mean it's sh1t.

by **Lando_Griffin** » Wed Nov 25, 2009 2:36 am

access wrote:
Lando_Griffin wrote:
Owzat wrote:
access wrote:I can see there has been a number of WUM on this forum today and for the last few weeks I am a what you may call a 'quiet' poster and find it hard to ‘argue’ the facts perhaps I am getting too old …. lol.

NEVERTHELESS I am a 52 year old Liverpool Supporter

Well people … I have seen it all, I have been ‘there’ involved in the highs and lows I have cried and yes I have laughed until my stomach could take no more, I have screamed, I have sighed, I have worn my shirt with pride, I have been shocked, I have been proud ... all of this because I love 'ONE' team.

BUT whatever argument you can throw at me and there will be many ….above all we wanted to win the Primership the most important thing in this country and that’s what Rafa was appointed and paid to do.

Five years ....How much has he spent? ... How many titles has he won ….?

SIMPLE

To me the question is simple will Rafa win the league at Liverpool? To be honest I am unconvinced by things such as his tactics, marking system, late substitutions, unconvincing signings, either in terms of value or performance, media relations etc.

All in all he doesn't convince me that last season was anything more than a purple patch, in fact take away the doubles over Chelski and the mancs that are normally "nil pwa" and we've have been back down around our the 74 point mark as is relatively usual. I said way back that we would struggle to repeat some of the good wins we achieved last season, and so we have.

If Man Utd had lost 1 more and drawn 1 more last season we'd have been champions.

Your point is equally as ridiculous.

Your comment is Pointless ... thats life and it aint good enough ...

If I hadnt gone to my local disco thirty five years ago and met the wife she wouldnt have taken half the house and my new car.

Your point???

The point you are trying to make is THE POINT I WAS MAKING, soft lad.

by **Lando_Griffin** » Wed Nov 25, 2009 2:44 am

heimdall wrote:Well that isn't really fair now is it. I can be very positive sometimes, when I feel positive, which hasn't really happened this season apart form the win against Manure, have you been feeling positive this season.

In what way do I post sh1t? At least I don't call fellow posters names like a toddler.

Just because someone has an opposing view doesn't mean it's sh1t.

Unfortunately, Heimdall, a lot of the cr*p you spout IS sh*t.

Opinions are all well and good, but if my opinion was that you were actually a c*ck-sucking tw*t with an a*se for a face, would it be right, purely because it's my opinion? In your World I must be right.

Your opinion that you're positive when you feel positive really does have further-reaching ramifications, though.

Essentially, you have admitted there that you're controlled by your mood, and I get the feeling (no Sigmund Freud here, like...) that you probably suffer from manic depression. Liverpool losing (or in this case, winning) gives you a license to rant and rave on here, giving some form of release.

It would seem that one of us needs mental help, Heimy, but unfortunately it means leaving your bedroom...

by **Lando_Griffin** » Wed Nov 25, 2009 2:52 am

s@int wrote:
Lando_Griffin wrote:
s@int wrote:
stmichael wrote:the manager can only do so much.

The question is ...... is he doing enough ? We have won nothing for three years, only won one game in our last ten, out of the league already and our CL place is out of our hands.

This is the team that Rafa built, if it fails ...... he fails.

Did Rafa not build last season's team., then?

We won nothing last season mate...... or the season before...... or the season before that, or have we travelled so far down now that success is no longer about winning trophies?

In the real World, most people with any sense would see 2nd place after 2 decades without a title as anything but a failure.

But then, how many on here live in the real World when it comes to judging Rafa Benitez's Liverpool?

by **Emerald Red** » Wed Nov 25, 2009 3:03 am

heimdall wrote:Well that isn't really fair now is it. I can be very positive sometimes, when I feel positive, which hasn't really happened this season apart form the win against Manure, have you been feeling positive this season.

In what way do I post sh1t? At least I don't call fellow posters names like a toddler.

Just because someone has an opposing view doesn't mean it's sh1t.

Even the most staunch and stubborn supporter of the manager will not tell you that he is infallable and prone to error. He most certainly is. The man p*sses me off at times, but I'm not about to resort to thinking he's clueless, and idiot, or taking the club backwards and destroying the club even, as it's been put. That to me smacks of someone who just hasn't an ounce of a clue what he/she is talking about. If we were a club that sacked a manager every time we were in a bad rutt, we'd be Newcastle United. If Rafa Benitez got sacked tomorrow, so be it. If he walks, so be it. We move on. If someone like Dalglish took over I'd be chuffed. But what if Dalglish failed to turn our fortunes around? Would people be saying the same sh*t about him? I highly doubt it. Having the likes of Dalglish take over does not mean to say that he'll instantly do a job for us as some people like to imagine.

by **account deleted by request** » Wed Nov 25, 2009 4:44 am

Lando_Griffin wrote:
s@int wrote:
Lando_Griffin wrote:
s@int wrote:
stmichael wrote:the manager can only do so much.

The question is ...... is he doing enough ? We have won nothing for three years, only won one game in our last ten, out of the league already and our CL place is out of our hands.

This is the team that Rafa built, if it fails ...... he fails.

Did Rafa not build last season's team., then?

We won nothing last season mate...... or the season before...... or the season before that, or have we travelled so far down now that success is no longer about winning trophies?

In the real World, most people with any sense would see 2nd place after 2 decades without a title as anything but a failure.

But then, how many on here live in the real World when it comes to judging Rafa Benitez's Liverpool?

The real world is we are out of the League, out the League cup and out of the CL all before the end of November. We have won only 2 of our last eleven games, have had one title challenge in the past five years.

Despite spending over £200million we have a weak squad and have won nothing with this team. (Only two players are still here from our CL win, only 3 players are still here from our FA cup win.) The rest of the squad have won nothing with us since they came.

We have owners that are skint, a manager that makes too many mistakes and a team that is underperforming. Our two most expensive players appear to be injury prone while our best player is having to play with his injury.

We have a defence that has forgotten how to defend and a midfield that lacks creativity. We are level on points with the mighty Sunderland, one point in front of Stoke City, we lie 7th in the table , 13 points off the top and 12 points behind were we were after 13 games last season.

So lets live in the real world

by **Dazzer** » Wed Nov 25, 2009 5:50 am

Emerald Red wrote:
heimdall wrote:Well that isn't really fair now is it. I can be very positive sometimes, when I feel positive, which hasn't really happened this season apart form the win against Manure, have you been feeling positive this season.

In what way do I post sh1t? At least I don't call fellow posters names like a toddler.

Just because someone has an opposing view doesn't mean it's sh1t.

Even the most staunch and stubborn supporter of the manager will not tell you that he is infallable and prone to error. He most certainly is. The man p*sses me off at times, but I'm not about to resort to thinking he's clueless, and idiot, or taking the club backwards and destroying the club even, as it's been put. That to me smacks of someone who just hasn't an ounce of a clue what he/she is talking about. If we were a club that sacked a manager every time we were in a bad rutt, we'd be Newcastle United. If Rafa Benitez got sacked tomorrow, so be it. If he walks, so be it. We move on. If someone like Dalglish took over I'd be chuffed. But what if Dalglish failed to turn our fortunes around? Would people be saying the same sh*t about him? I highly doubt it. Having the likes of Dalglish take over does not mean to say that he'll instantly do a job for us as some people like to imagine.

He is taking the club backwards , he was a good manager a few seasons ago but seems things have got on top of him and he has let his iron grip go.Thing is like any one in any job they can be good a few years then have a total mental breakdown.Now I am not saying Rafa has had that just that he don't seem to command the same respect from his players or the same trust from the fans.

So whos fault is it I am sure we can say its a mix of many things to cause his downfall.One him self he has said some stuff pre and post match that hasn't helped him( like reading from a script and treating us fans us numptys).Also there was his press statements the fergie Rant.Then there was transfers that didn't work out was quite alot of them not going into them agian.Of course the owners the amount of stress they put Rafa under is unforgivable.Then there is Rafas character , Stubbon and cold approach all of which don't help when the chips are down.

I don't think Rafa has lost the players Its not that simple but I think there is a level of respect they used to have for him and its not that strong any more.I also think Rafa is out of Idea's and we need some fresh thinking in the dressing room because we are going backwards.

by **account deleted by request** » Wed Nov 25, 2009 6:26 am

BENITEZ`S TIME UP - BERGER
Posted 24/11/09 19:29

Former Liverpool winger Patrik Berger insists "time is up" for Rafael Benitez as Liverpool manager.

The Spaniard has come under pressure for much of this season, with the team 13 points adrift of Premier League leaders Chelsea and in severe danger of failing to progress from Champions League Group E.

Benitez's transfer policy has also frequently raised eyebrows, with Berger alluding to a lack of quality throughout the squad.

And the former Czech Republic international told BBC Radio 5 live: "He did ever so well for Liverpool but in my opinion, for him time is up and they should change their manager as soon as possible.

"He has spent so much money over the years - he did have success a few years ago but right now, for me, Liverpool do not look a side who can win either the Premier League or Champions League."

Injuries have hampered the Reds for much of the current campaign, but Berger believes Benitez is lacking options having allowed several big-name players to leave Anfield.

"In my opinion, Liverpool are not as strong as they were last year or the year before," he continued.

"If they have all the top players fit, the starting XI is very strong - but as soon as they lose two or three, they don't really have the same quality as when they had Craig Bellamy, Peter Crouch or Robbie Keane on the bench.

"They really rely on the starting XI, if they get a few injuries they are struggling. If they don't have a Steven Gerrard or (Fernando) Torres up front they really look, to me, an average side."

by **The_Rock** » Wed Nov 25, 2009 7:36 am

My take........

Benitez is not clueless, is not tactically naive...etc ...... He is just waiting to get sacked. and do is doing everything to ensure he does get sacked.

I know some ppl here won't like it when i say this.....but this is the only thing i can think off after some of his substitution decisions today. :no

Why is it this that up to the moment we go "1" up ... we play pretty well but once its 1 -0 we seem to go back to defending the lead and allow the oppositon to dictate play ?

Its getting ridiculous in the sense that, it's happening almost everygame recently (apart from the manure game tat is).

by **Dazzer** » Wed Nov 25, 2009 8:44 am

Lando_Griffin wrote:
s@int wrote:
Lando_Griffin wrote:
s@int wrote:
stmichael wrote:the manager can only do so much.

The question is ...... is he doing enough ? We have won nothing for three years, only won one game in our last ten, out of the league already and our CL place is out of our hands.

This is the team that Rafa built, if it fails ...... he fails.

Did Rafa not build last season's team., then?

We won nothing last season mate...... or the season before...... or the season before that, or have we travelled so far down now that success is no longer about winning trophies?

In the real World, most people with any sense would see 2nd place after 2 decades without a title as anything but a failure.

But then, how many on here live in the real World when it comes to judging Rafa Benitez's Liverpool?

You don't live in the real world Lando if you did you wouldn't insult every one that disgrees with you because in the real world calling people a c*** W***er after every sentence would aggravate people to the point of madness.

As for footballing Terms I think saint sums it up pretty well we a joke atm our football team for one reason or another and the manager plays a big part in that and that is the real world as you put it. :angry:

by **only me** » Wed Nov 25, 2009 9:15 am

Again we are focusing on immediate results ,which is ok and to be expected ,but my main concern with him is that there is no building process in the club - there is no system or philosophy which we can identify and support for the future of Liverpool ,i mean look at Poor Wenger he hasn't won any gold silver or tin for ages now but no one can state he doesn't have a system a vision a solid idea how a team should develop and work and succeed - Rafa has no clue or just failed miserably to show us with any remote resemblance his ability to leave a legacy behind him.

This with so many other faults and weaknesses which he refuses or can't fix leads to a sad thank you and goodbye at the end of the season.

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