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by **bigmick** » Wed Nov 25, 2009 1:08 am

So if we had our time again, if we could spin back the clock from the end of last season, where did we feck it up the most? I know there's probably a million reasons, but which one would you do different to the way we did it, obviously with the benefit of hindsight?

No doubt the fact that we sold Alonso will figure high on lists as we've obviously missed him. We've even arguably missed him as much as some of his most ardent supporters assured us we would, but given his determination to move on, could we have stopped him? The damage had arguably already been done as far as Xabi was concerned, so was it that we didn't sign an immediate replacement?

Is it too early to describe the signing of Aquilani as a mistake given the fact that by the time he is fit we will be out of three competitions at least? Was our ultimate mistake in not making sure we got Gareth Barry, perhaps we should have asured him we were going to play him centrally?

Perhaps not signing a credible player as striker cover behind Torres was the main error of judgement, or even putting too much trust in Lucas/Babel thinking they could do a job?

Or was it the pre season, the games against Heimdalls Harriers and the like meaning that we were never fully wound up for the big kick off?

Maybe we haven't made mistakes, we're just the victims of circumstance, or perhaps we aren't actually as good as some of us think we are anyway?

So what do you reckon? My money is on signing a player who wasn't fit for central midfield and expecting Lucas to be able to fill in.

by **Lando_Griffin** » Wed Nov 25, 2009 1:09 am

Same sh*t, different topic title... :no

by **bigmick** » Wed Nov 25, 2009 1:13 am

Lando_Griffin wrote:Same sh*t, different topic title...

The only sense in which your statement is accurate is in the way it describes the stuff which you post :laugh:

.

Now we're having a discussion about football. Either join in or jog on.

by **tonyeh** » Wed Nov 25, 2009 1:19 am

Moving swiftly on...

This seasons problems were sown long before now Mick. Selling Keane, with no backup. Treating Alonso like shit in the ridiculous Gaz Baz affair. Not buying a striker in the Summer. Persisting with the likes of Lucas. Not learning the lessons of the last three months of great attacking football last season and continuing that this season.

The reasons are numerous. The above are just a few. But, as I've said before. I believe that this season is a case of the chickens coming home to roost. This isn't a blip, it's the resumption of normal Benitez football.

...and I'm sick to the back teeth of it.

by **account deleted by request** » Wed Nov 25, 2009 1:20 am

I think missing out on Barry was probably our worst mistake (in hindsight), hopefully in the long term Aquilani will prove his worth , but we needed a couple of players from the off and we have paid a heavy price for not having them.

by **bigmick** » Wed Nov 25, 2009 1:21 am

But the MAIN reason Tone, from the end of last season onwards?

by **Cool Hand Luke** » Wed Nov 25, 2009 1:31 am

A lack of creativity in the transfer market and festering player such as Voronin, Babel and Dossena. We really should have shifted these guys out and used any money raised to buy replacements that actually offer something to the squad or even use some of our best youngsters. For example, if no one was willing to buy Voronin, why not let Hertha Berlin take him for the price of his loyalty bonus and use the wages saved (approximately 40K a week) to offer Owen a contract? Rafa is unimaginative in the transfer market. Real Madrid were looking to sell both Wesley Sneijder and Arjen Robben, why not try to take these guys as part of the Alonso deal, both quality players who would massively improve our team. Rafa can’t think outside of the box.

by **redhayesy** » Wed Nov 25, 2009 1:31 am

bigmick wrote:
Lando_Griffin wrote:Same sh*t, different topic title...

The only sense in which your statement is accurate is in the way it describes the stuff which you post .

Now we're having a discussion about football. Either join in or jog on.

trouble is mick i agree with Lando, it's not a discussion about football, it's about the same sh1t people on here have been b1tching about for ages... alonso's gone so were sh1t now etc etc

feck it's boring now, why can't we have a new topic section about our history,classic story's from members that have been to games all over the country- europe- education to share. knowledge for others to learn from etc etc, instead of the same thing for only fickle,un-educated so called fans to agree with to think they know what it means to be associated with being a fan of LFC.

no offence like, but this forum really needs somthing along these lines, rather than the same old etc.

as i say mate, it's no critisism of you personally.

by **tonyeh** » Wed Nov 25, 2009 1:32 am

Main reason?

Not learning that attacking football yeilds results.

I knew from game one this season, that Benitez was going to slip back into his old ways. We'd end up playing deeper and playing not to lose rather than playing to win.

I honestly think he threw caution to the wing in the last few months of last season (partly because I belive that he figured that the league was gone anyway, so what the hell) and it produced some of the best games I can remember in Liverpool's recent history. Certainly under Benitez, that's for sure.

He just hasn't figured that being over cautious, is just not good enough when you're not playing over two legs.

Of course, it's been compounded by other factors.

Our general play, however, is simply far too defensive.

by **Lando_Griffin** » Wed Nov 25, 2009 1:33 am

bigmick wrote:
Lando_Griffin wrote:Same sh*t, different topic title...

The only sense in which your statement is accurate is in the way it describes the stuff which you post .

Now we're having a discussion about football. Either join in or jog on.

Oh, I'm sorry boss - didn't realise you were in charge around here.

I do apologise for getting completely bored of your inane, desperate and repetitive whining every time something doesn't go your way. "Ooooh, who's fault is it!?!" - When everyone who has had the misfortune to read your drivel knows full well that you believe it's Rafa's.

Your "get out of jail free" card here is "well if you don't like it, don't read it" - the trouble is that you have infected the entire forum with your propaganda. Every single thread in general chat, and quite a few elsewhere, is diseased with your perverted logic and unbalanced criticism.

Why don't you f*ck off and start your own forum? "www.whingingoldb*stardwithlessinsightthanadeadkipper.com" would be a fitting name. Failing that, you could go for:

"www.miserableoldc*ntno-oneactuallygivesash*taboutramblinghiswaythrougheveryf*ckingda
ywiththesamesackofsh*te.org".

My personal favourite is simply:

"www.ithinkiamgod.nz" - I'm sure the meaning is not lost on you.

Why spend your life regurgitating the same crock of b*llocks over and over? Only your boyfriends actually agree with you - no-one else. One of the biggest problems, though, is your appetite for spouting the same cr*p - then when everyone gets sick of it and tells you to get f*cked off, you somehow twist that into a victory on the grounds that they can't argue!!! :laugh:

Does your feeble mind not grasp the fact that people are SICK AND F*CKING TIRED OF READING THE SAME BORING, NEGATIVE W*nk DAY AFTER DAY AFTER DAY AFTER DAY AFTER DAY. THE SAME PEOPLE CAN'T GO ANYWHERE ON THIS FORUM WITHOUT BEING STALKED BY YOU AND YOUR LIKE-MINDED DIPSH*TS, SPREADING YOUR LITERARY CLAP ALL OVER THE BOARD. YOU CRY, P*SS AND WHINE ABOUT BEING INSULTED, THEN CONSISTENTLY PICK AT THE SCAB UNTIL PEOPLE DO IT.

STOP POSTING INFLAMMATORY BULLSH*T, YOU SAD LITTLE MAN. APART FROM OTHER SILLY C*NTS, NO-ONE CARES WHAT BIGMICK HAS TO SAY. NO-ONE CARES IF HE NEVER POSTS AGAIN.

NO-ONE F*CKING WANTS YOU SPAMMING THE B*STARD BOARD WITH YOUR INCESSANT RUBBISH EVERY SINGLE F*CKING DAY. "BLAH, BLAH, BLAH, ROTATION, BLAH, BLAH, BLAH, BLIIIIIIIIIIIIP, BLAH, BLAH, BLAH, KUYT, BLAH, BLAH, BLAH, SUBSTITUTIONS, BLAH, BLAH, BLAH, DELAYED GAZELLE, BLAH, BLAH, BLAH, MORIS, BLAH, BLAH, BLAH, BLAH F*CKING BLAH."

You sad, blithering prat.

by **maypaxvobiscum** » Wed Nov 25, 2009 1:36 am

selling Keane. i know he wasnt scoring much but f_ck me if our god damned manager has so much patience with his lovechild kuyt i really dont know why Keane wasnt given the chance.

by **LFC2007** » Wed Nov 25, 2009 1:38 am

A weak squad, particularly the lack of a quality ball-playing midfielder in the absence of Aquilani, but also the absence of a commanding CB and the lack of quality striking options. We may have managed that situation better by dropping Gerrard back into midfield for a time, but if you're looking for the main reason, it's because we didn't have the necessary quality in reserve when we needed it. We used to be known for having a strong spine, while lacking quality in the wide areas. That's no longer the case. It was weakened considerably in the summer (I'm not having this nonsense that Alonso wasn't very important to us last season), and further still by the loss of Hyypia, the corresponding loss of form of Skrtel and Carra and our exposure up front in Torres' absence. Kuyt's poor form and Riera's injury problems have compounded that problem.

Other things equal, my feeling is that having options akin to Bent, Barry and Turner would have at least put us six pts closer to the top and certainly through to the knockout stages of the UCL.

by **killerp** » Wed Nov 25, 2009 1:43 am

bigmick wrote:So if we had our time again, if we could spin back the clock from the end of last season, where did we feck it up the most? I know there's probably a million reasons, but which one would you do different to the way we did it, obviously with the benefit of hindsight?

No doubt the fact that we sold Alonso will figure high on lists as we've obviously missed him. We've even arguably missed him as much as some of his most ardent supporters assured us we would, but given his determination to move on, could we have stopped him? The damage had arguably already been done as far as Xabi was concerned, so was it that we didn't sign an immediate replacement?

Is it too early to describe the signing of Aquilani as a mistake given the fact that by the time he is fit we will be out of three competitions at least? Was our ultimate mistake in not making sure we got Gareth Barry, perhaps we should have asured him we were going to play him centrally?

Perhaps not signing a credible player as striker cover behind Torres was the main error of judgement, or even putting too much trust in Lucas/Babel thinking they could do a job?

Or was it the pre season, the games against Heimdalls Harriers and the like meaning that we were never fully wound up for the big kick off?

Maybe we haven't made mistakes, we're just the victims of circumstance, or perhaps we aren't actually as good as some of us think we are anyway?

So what do you reckon? My money is on signing a player who wasn't fit for central midfield and expecting Lucas to be able to fill in.

I keep hearing people say, Liverpool finishing last season in second place will be a negative in the next campaign.

Now I am starting to believe them :down:

Why did the campaign go so bad? there are thousands of threads on that topic, no need for more.

by **heimdall** » Wed Nov 25, 2009 1:45 am

Lando is funny, not sure he means to be though.

he always gives such a balanced view and treats everyone with respect oh and he redefines the word irony with every post

In this case Lando accusing BM of being an ego maniac, I mean seriously you couldn't make it up could you, well actually Lando could but most mere mortals surely couldn't.

Lando please tell me how old you are and why you feel the need to question peoples intelligence all the time, why are you so insecure that you feel the need to attack others? Come on share with the forum, maybe it'll be the first step on the road to recovery, I still think you should see a psychiatrist though for anger management if nothing else, I dread to think how you treat your "loved" ones or indeed how you have been treated.

by **Simari** » Wed Nov 25, 2009 1:53 am

Still believe that if Torres and Stevie had an injury free start to the campaign, we would be very much in the hunt on all grounds.

Yes we are reliant on them - but ffs, they are world class players and a big reason for our success towards the latter part of last year.

What a revelation Benny has been since early this year.

For what it's worth, I still am looking forward to Torres, Benny, Stevie and Aquilani dazzling us with silky moves towards the early part of next year.

More than happy to write this season off with the expectation of some quality forward for a few months heading into summer.

YNWA.

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