Luis garcia - Your opinion of him so far?

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Postby Leonmc0708 » Thu Sep 16, 2004 11:19 pm

Hustlers Revenge wrote:never mind raising yer eyebrows, that was the "kung fu" icon, you moron, does it look like a hat?

In what way is that Kung Fu, and who calls it kung fu except Carl Douglas ?

Oh-oh-oh-oh...
Everybody was Kung Fu fighting, those jerks were fast as lightning
In fact it was a little bit fright'ning, but they fought with expert timing
There was funky China men from funky Chinatown
They were trapping when up, they were trapping when downIt's an ancient Chinese art, and everybody knew their part
For my friend, ain't you a stiff, then I'm kickin' from the hip
Everybody was Kung Fu fighting, those kids were fast as lightning
In fact it was a little bit fright'ning, but they fought with expert timing
There was funky Billie Jim and little Sammy John
He said, here comes the big boss, let's get it on
We took the bow and made a stand, started swaying with the hand
A sudden motion made me stiff, now we're into a brandnew trip
Everybody was Kung Fu fighting, those kids were fast as lightning
In fact it was a little bit fright'ning, but they did it with expert timing
Oh-oh-oh-oh...
Everybody was Kung Fu fighting, those kids were fast as lightning
In fact it was a little bit fright'ning, make sure you have expert timing
Kung Fu fighting, had to be fast as lightning...
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Postby supersub » Thu Sep 16, 2004 11:29 pm

stu_the_red wrote:
STOP LIVING IN THE PAST STU!!

Owen up front you say. Even if Owen was around he would have been on the bench last night. And if he was around we couldn't have afforded our two spanish matadors. During the last few years Owen never showed the physical strenght and drive as the current team showed last night. I'm perfectly happy without Owen, and I think the money we received from the Owen sale was put to it's best use. I dare anyone to say they take Owen over the spanish duo Garcia and Alonso. With Owen I'm not so sure we would have witnessed the slick passing and the wonderful fluid attacking football as we saw last night. Owen was one dimensional which limited our attacking play.

Also look at the difference between last nights performance and a normal Liverpool game under Houllier. I'm really impressed. We put pressure on them from the first kick on the ball. Chasing them around like mad dogs, putting in tackles all over the pitch. Closing them down, denying them space, pressure, pressure, pressure;; PURE CLASS. Monaco was torn to pieces. This team looks really solid. And we are only going to get better. 5 years of mismanagement and bull.sh.it football can't be remedied in a month. But we are finally going in the right direction. Look at Josemi. A crowd favourite already. What a game he had last night. Beautiful passes, crunching tackles and some powerful runs. If that is what Benitez can get for £ 2 million I say wow. And what about the rest? Carragher looks two times the player in central defence than on right back. He does not need to go forward and do all the stuff a good fullback should do. Now he can concentrate on what he knows best. Defending and tackling. I can even see a big improvement on his passing and positioning.He won't have to listen to all the criticism about his lack of skills going forward any more, and his self confidence is increasing with every game. Sami looks more fresh, big stong and a good reader of thew game. Riise has improved 50% defensively and will soon start banging goals again.

Our midfield is looking good. We don't have to watch more poor play by the likes of Midget Murphy and Chicken breast Cheyrou. Now we have a midfield full of strong determined and creative players. Alonso can unlock any defence, and Gerrard is probably the best young midfielder in the world right now. Kewell and Warnock will fight for a place on the left. Our main weakness right now is right midfield. Finnan, average at best, will be replaced soon. What about Garcia. A more creative, hard working and skillful player is hard to find anywhere in the world. Everything he does is quality. He makes sliding tackles, he passes the ball around with perfect accuracy, he makes clever runs and so on and so on. I fear the opposition will give him very tough treatment, trying to take him out of our games. I only hope he can stay injury free and that referees give him the protection he deserves. I'd hate to see a pri.ck like Lucas Neill brake his leg.

Our forwards, well what can I say. I'm dissappointed with Cisse. He does not look like a goal machine to me. Instead of finishing with the inside of his foot, he goes for power every time. Baros looked more dangerous when he came on. And he was more calm with the ball inside the box. Cisse is still young and I know he will improve. At least I hope he can.

Overall I'm happy with the team and I feel we are going places. Benitez is the one. He will make us shine. I think I know what went through Houlliers head when he left the stadium last night. And I think you know too


You talk ******!!!

End of!!!

get over it stu..Owen has thankfully gone and been replaced with 3 players who will light up Anfield.Owen could not be accommodated in the team and style that was on show last night.We have players who want to play for Liverpool and it was wonderful to watch how they enjoyed each goal.
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THERE'S A GREAT BIG BEAUTIFUL TOMORROW AND TOMORROW IS JUST A DREAM AWAY.
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Postby 115-1073096938 » Fri Sep 17, 2004 1:24 am

You tellin me you wouldn't have Owen in that side ahead of Cisse?

I think yer nutz!!

Owen would have a field day in this side now, my point is i'm devastated i didn't get to see him play in this team as its clearly one he'd have excelled in. I'm not disrespecting the current players, i think Cisse will become a superb player for us and i think Baros is sound backup but Michael was at least 2 classes above the two of them and if he'd been in this side and on form i could see him scoring 30-40 goals a season.

I don't think (long term) we'll miss Michael Owen to much. But the fact is he's still one of the worlds best players and would improve every side in world football no matter how good they are.
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Postby 115-1073096938 » Fri Sep 17, 2004 1:25 am

:kungfu:  <<< D!(k head?  ???
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Postby azriahmad » Fri Sep 17, 2004 4:01 am

Stu, lighten up...from your posts, I know you are one very passionate fan. Don't forget, many of us here are also passionate, in fact, I dare say that all of the members who post with relogious regularity are also ture and passionate fans.

Let's just try to rationalise why Owen left. During Houllier's time, they said that they are offering Owen a new contract extension. Somewhere along the discussions, there has been a delay in the signing due to "certain technicalities" as has been said by both sides. Then, Liverpool decised to terminate Houllier's and Parry said that the senior players will be consulted on the replacement candidates. The media has reported that Owen had been greatly impressed by Rafael Benithez's very well organised Valencia and that he would welcome his appointment.

Fast forward to after the actual appointment and after benithez has changed the assistant manager and the coaches, and after the US tour. Benithez made the extension of Owen's contract an important issue to resolve as Liverpool do not want another top player leaving on a Bosman. At the same time, Benithez told Murphy that he has no future at Liverpool, and he was quickly sold to Charlton. Benithez, in the menn time, wanted more team unity and wanted to get rid of the so-called factionism within the squad. Also, no player is an automatic first chioce and he would rotate the strikers as he sees/thinks fit. Owen is faced with the prospect that he may be rotated.

During the contract negotiations, Owen's people apparently asked for 100,000 pounds a week. Bentihez does agree abd Parry backed him on this. From that moment onwards, they will try to sell Owen if they fail to get him to extend his contract so as not to lose him on a Bosman when his contract has less than six months to run. owen's agent quickly contacted Real Madrid. It was made public that Camacho wanted a defensive midfielder and was trying to court Viera. His club President, being a person who thinks that he is much smarter than his coach, quickly sealed a deal for Owen.

Owen in turn, merely settled for 56,000 pounds a week, less than what he would get under an extended contract at Liverpool, and more importantly, less than what Woodgate gets at Real Madrid. We get some 8 million pounds plus Nunez in a deal worth 12 million pouinds.

Looking at the above scenario, did we sell him because we did not want him? Or did we sell him because we had to as he was making some over the top demands and stalling on the contract extension because we did not want him to go on a Bosman?

My take was very clear - he left because he feared that he won't be an automatic first chioce and also because Benithez wanted to eliminate "player power" at the club. Liverpool had no choice but to sell. We tried our very best to keep him, he chose not to stay and to leave to become third or fourth choice and end up on a smaller contract than a player who is not as estahblished as him.

I do miss him and thought that he, of all people, would get much better chances of scoring more than Cisse or Baros with the likes of Alonso and Garcia in the team, rather than rely too much on his predatory instincts to get into goal scoring chances. Now at Liverpool, Benithez wants the midfielders to prise opposing defences and create the opportunities for the strikers. In the past, Gerrard will hoof the ball and Owen is left to his own devices to either outsprint the defenders or outdribble them on the run.

The thing is, get over Owen. He left because he did not fancy the new Liverpool under Rafael Benithez although he may have been the main beneficiary of the changes.
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Postby Leonmc0708 » Fri Sep 17, 2004 8:15 am

stu_the_red wrote:You tellin me you wouldn't have Owen in that side ahead of Cisse?

I think yer nutz!!

Owen would have a field day in this side now, my point is i'm devastated i didn't get to see him play in this team as its clearly one he'd have excelled in. I'm not disrespecting the current players, i think Cisse will become a superb player for us and i think Baros is sound backup but Michael was at least 2 classes above the two of them and if he'd been in this side and on form i could see him scoring 30-40 goals a season.

I don't think (long term) we'll miss Michael Owen to much. But the fact is he's still one of the worlds best players and would improve every side in world football no matter how good they are.

Stu give up the ghost 'eh lad, he is gone and he wont be coming back.

I would rather have Rushie up front than Cisse, but what difference does that make?
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Postby Redrider » Fri Sep 17, 2004 11:21 am

On the Owen topic. I reckon Owen has long term injury doubts, my take is that LFC were happy to take the money as MO. is maybe too fragile for a full Premiership and Champions League long haul. however, there are less demands on the hamstrings, ankles and knees etc in an easier La Liga' :blues:
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Postby 106-1093504160 » Fri Sep 17, 2004 11:40 am

garcia - talented, needs more shooting practise, and needs to adopt a more psychic contact with his team mates. a definate plus though
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Postby 72-1090627431 » Fri Sep 17, 2004 12:25 pm

stu_the_red wrote: :kungfu:  <<< D!(k head?  ???

hey, you know your name!
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Postby Redrider » Fri Sep 17, 2004 12:29 pm

Judge, What do you recommend as training for 'psychic contact' ?
A seance ? or fingers on a moving glass around the table ?
This could add a new dimension to the Boot Room !! Maybe that's what was wrong last season, Phil Thompson was calling up the wrong spirits !!   :laugh: :laugh:  :laugh:
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Postby banana » Fri Sep 17, 2004 12:59 pm

stu_the_red wrote:You tellin me you wouldn't have Owen in that side ahead of Cisse?

I think yer nutz!!

Owen would have a field day in this side now, my point is i'm devastated i didn't get to see him play in this team as its clearly one he'd have excelled in. I'm not disrespecting the current players, i think Cisse will become a superb player for us and i think Baros is sound backup but Michael was at least 2 classes above the two of them and if he'd been in this side and on form i could see him scoring 30-40 goals a season.

I don't think (long term) we'll miss Michael Owen to much. But the fact is he's still one of the worlds best players and would improve every side in world football no matter how good they are.

Get over it man. Stop whining about bygones. Face the facts and look forward. Nothing is as pathetic as being tied up in the past. You are digging your own grave lad. The future is red and the future is all that matters.
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Postby 106-1093504160 » Fri Sep 17, 2004 1:20 pm

ay banana, but its nice to reminice
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Postby 115-1073096938 » Fri Sep 17, 2004 5:30 pm

Banana d!<k...

You made your views on here known about Owen.

They were nothing short of wrong and mis informed. Don't attempt to discuss him with me as i'm not interested in anything you have to say. :)
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Postby kenco » Fri Sep 17, 2004 7:48 pm

STU,  Owen was nothing short of a goal hanging glory hunting greedy little t*ss*r who contributed very little to the team. And you know that,because i think you know your football. OWEN as always played better for England than he as for Liverpool. And it's not because he play's with better player's when he's with England,it's alway's been playing for the headline's. He's really set Madrid on fire has'nt he!!. He will be found out in the end, mark my words.!!! :;): :;):
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Postby Redrider » Fri Sep 17, 2004 7:53 pm

stu_the_red wrote:Owen would have a field day in this side now, my point is i'm devastated i didn't get to see him play in this team as its clearly one he'd have excelled in. I'm not disrespecting the current players, i think Cisse will become a superb player for us and i think Baros is sound backup but Michael was at least 2 classes above the two of them and if he'd been in this side and on form i could see him scoring 30-40 goals a season.

I don't think (long term) we'll miss Michael Owen to much. But the fact is he's still one of the worlds best players and would improve every side in world football no matter how good they are.

Stu,
     I agree with you on all the above points. The only rider I would add is that both LFC and MO have come to the conclusion that MO is maybe too fragile and becoming injury prone. Another Premiership year, combined with a long run in the Champions league might be too much for the MO body. Whereas, La Liga is maybe less demanding and also fulfills a dream for MO before it is too late.
On that basis, both the Club and MO decided to call it quits.  :glare:
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