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by **Madmax** » Mon Nov 23, 2009 9:45 pm

If rafa was sacked within the next month or so i would think sammy lee would probably be given the role until we find a long term manager!

Or maybe we would get someone on temp like chelsea did (hidiink)!

by **The Good Yank** » Mon Nov 23, 2009 9:45 pm

heimdall wrote:Toh only problem with waiting is that by the end of the season we might be out of europe, including uefa cup, it's a real possibility, in that situation it would be more difficult to get a top class manager.

I see your point and it is a valid one. I just think that with such a bad run going right now it's up to Rafa to sink or swim with what he's put together.

Has any other big club gone on such a terrible run and not gotten rid of their manager?

by **Benny The Noon** » Mon Nov 23, 2009 9:46 pm

s@int wrote:Back on track

I think if he does survive the current crisis, it will be interesting to see if he gets any transfer money at Christmas nevermind in the summer. If he doesn't I think the writing is on the wall that they will be looking for his replacement in the summer. The owners know better than most that you don't throw good money after bad.

it will be a hard situation for then - throwing some money at the situation may well help them out in the long run - enabling Rafa to get some new and improved players into the team and getting rid of some poor players may well improve our team and fortunes and enable us to progress as a team which is what a lot of fans would like to see OR they could do as you say and wait to back a new manager in the summer but by that time we could be out of CL etc and their is a lack of players willing to not play in the CL .

The owners are a totally unknown in the whole of this .

by **Madmax** » Mon Nov 23, 2009 9:47 pm

Cool Hand Luke wrote:If we get knocked out of the Champions League tomorrow and lose to Everton on the weekend I imagine most of the fans who have been 50-50 will want Rafa out. It then just depends on the owners. Will they sack him and pay him a hefty severance pay or will they wait and see if he walks due to fan pressure?

question is would the blame be on rafa? bad luck? or players not stepping up?

This current crisis many are split as to whom they blame..

by **heimdall** » Mon Nov 23, 2009 9:47 pm

Benny The Noon wrote:
heimdall wrote:
Benny The Noon wrote:Natural progression of the thread and it was always gooing to go that way - mention the manager leaving or maybe leaving or should he go will always bring up the argument about who will replace him .

And its got feck all to do with any type of bedroom linen .

just an opportunity to come out with the same tired arguments Benny, which manager would ever want to manage this club, you see I have a pretty big problem with that statement because I see it as very very disrespectful to this great football club. If a manager would not want the chance to come to Liverpool and try and turn things around and one of the most well known clubs in the world then they need their heads checking.

Not when they look at our current state with regards to finances and owners - its not exactly a open shut case anymore really is .

They sort of muddy the waters a little but and its got nothing to do with being disrespectful to the club . Disrespect comes from insulting anyone who is involved in the club .

curious yet you have no problem criticising the owners.

by **Benny The Noon** » Mon Nov 23, 2009 9:49 pm

heimdall wrote:
Benny The Noon wrote:
heimdall wrote:
Benny The Noon wrote:Natural progression of the thread and it was always gooing to go that way - mention the manager leaving or maybe leaving or should he go will always bring up the argument about who will replace him .

And its got feck all to do with any type of bedroom linen .

just an opportunity to come out with the same tired arguments Benny, which manager would ever want to manage this club, you see I have a pretty big problem with that statement because I see it as very very disrespectful to this great football club. If a manager would not want the chance to come to Liverpool and try and turn things around and one of the most well known clubs in the world then they need their heads checking.

Not when they look at our current state with regards to finances and owners - its not exactly a open shut case anymore really is .

They sort of muddy the waters a little but and its got nothing to do with being disrespectful to the club . Disrespect comes from insulting anyone who is involved in the club .

curious yet you have no problem criticising the owners.

Ok last word on this - i will critisize the owners becuase i believe they are ruining our club and have done since they arrived at the club just like 99.99999% of the Liverpool fans .

End of rant, end of discussion .

Go fish elsewhere clown .

by **heimdall** » Mon Nov 23, 2009 9:52 pm

Madmax wrote:
Cool Hand Luke wrote:If we get knocked out of the Champions League tomorrow and lose to Everton on the weekend I imagine most of the fans who have been 50-50 will want Rafa out. It then just depends on the owners. Will they sack him and pay him a hefty severance pay or will they wait and see if he walks due to fan pressure?

question is would the blame be on rafa? bad luck? or players not stepping up?

This current crisis many are split as to whom they blame..

I blame Rafa and the owners, but in fairness to the owners they haven't done a Leeds and chucked money at the problem, that is actually a good thing.

by **account deleted by request** » Mon Nov 23, 2009 9:54 pm

Benny The Noon wrote:
s@int wrote:Back on track

I think if he does survive the current crisis, it will be interesting to see if he gets any transfer money at Christmas nevermind in the summer. If he doesn't I think the writing is on the wall that they will be looking for his replacement in the summer. The owners know better than most that you don't throw good money after bad.

it will be a hard situation for then - throwing some money at the situation may well help them out in the long run - enabling Rafa to get some new and improved players into the team and getting rid of some sh.it may well improve our team and fortunes and enable us to progress as a team which is what a lot of fans would like to see OR they could do as you say and wait to back a new manager in the summer but by that time we could be out of CL etc and their is a lack of players willing to not play in the CL .

The owners are a totally unknown in the whole of this .

No need to call our players shi.t mate :no

surplus to requirements, poor or even cr@ppy will do at a pinch

Like I said it will be interesting as it may give some indication of whether they still have any faith left in him or not.

Certainly if they are thinking of replacing him they will want to keep any money to let the new manager buy a couple of players at least.

by **Benny The Noon** » Mon Nov 23, 2009 9:56 pm

s@int wrote:
Benny The Noon wrote:
s@int wrote:Back on track

I think if he does survive the current crisis, it will be interesting to see if he gets any transfer money at Christmas nevermind in the summer. If he doesn't I think the writing is on the wall that they will be looking for his replacement in the summer. The owners know better than most that you don't throw good money after bad.

it will be a hard situation for then - throwing some money at the situation may well help them out in the long run - enabling Rafa to get some new and improved players into the team and getting rid of some sh.it may well improve our team and fortunes and enable us to progress as a team which is what a lot of fans would like to see OR they could do as you say and wait to back a new manager in the summer but by that time we could be out of CL etc and their is a lack of players willing to not play in the CL .

The owners are a totally unknown in the whole of this .

No need to call our players shi.t mate surplus to requirements, poor or even cr@ppy will do at a pinch

Like I said it will be interesting as it may give some indication of whether they still have any faith left in him or not.

Certainly if they are thinking of replacing him they will want to keep any money to let the new manager buy a couple of players at least.

Will edit it to say poor

Yeah Jan will be interesting and will paint a picture for us

If they dont back the manager with any funds then the uproar from the fans may well be deafing beyond belief so maybe thats another thing to look at and then off course who they would have in mind when their last idea was Klinsmann :help

by **heimdall** » Mon Nov 23, 2009 9:56 pm

Benny The Noon wrote:
heimdall wrote:
Benny The Noon wrote:
heimdall wrote:
Benny The Noon wrote:Natural progression of the thread and it was always gooing to go that way - mention the manager leaving or maybe leaving or should he go will always bring up the argument about who will replace him .

And its got feck all to do with any type of bedroom linen .

just an opportunity to come out with the same tired arguments Benny, which manager would ever want to manage this club, you see I have a pretty big problem with that statement because I see it as very very disrespectful to this great football club. If a manager would not want the chance to come to Liverpool and try and turn things around and one of the most well known clubs in the world then they need their heads checking.

Not when they look at our current state with regards to finances and owners - its not exactly a open shut case anymore really is .

They sort of muddy the waters a little but and its got nothing to do with being disrespectful to the club . Disrespect comes from insulting anyone who is involved in the club .

curious yet you have no problem criticising the owners.

Ok last word on this - i will critisize the owners becuase i believe they are ruining our club and have done since they arrived at the club just like 99.99999% of the Liverpool fans .

End of rant, end of discussion .

Go fish elsewhere clown .

no that's not the last word at all, you said "Disrespect comes from insulting anyone who is involved in the club", well how much more involved can you be than owning it? I just find your double standards a bit comical GYBS.

Anyway back on track I think Rafa should have been sacked about 5 games ago and I think he will be out the door before Xmas as he should be, we must ensure a top 4 finish and at the moment that will NOT happen with Rafa.

by **The Good Yank** » Mon Nov 23, 2009 9:59 pm

Maybe off topic, or a side tangent, If the owners weren't so hated by the supporters would they have sacked Rafa already? It's almost as if Rafa's popularity is more a result of the hatred of the owners than it is in having confidence in the manager. I don't think the owners would have the balls to fire Rafa because they would surely come under more fire than they have ever even thought possible.

But at what other big club, would winning 1 out of 10, going out of the Champions League and being 13 points behind the League Leaders, what manager of a big club would still have his job?

by **heimdall** » Mon Nov 23, 2009 10:00 pm

Benny The Noon wrote:
s@int wrote:
Benny The Noon wrote:
s@int wrote:Back on track

I think if he does survive the current crisis, it will be interesting to see if he gets any transfer money at Christmas nevermind in the summer. If he doesn't I think the writing is on the wall that they will be looking for his replacement in the summer. The owners know better than most that you don't throw good money after bad.

it will be a hard situation for then - throwing some money at the situation may well help them out in the long run - enabling Rafa to get some new and improved players into the team and getting rid of some sh.it may well improve our team and fortunes and enable us to progress as a team which is what a lot of fans would like to see OR they could do as you say and wait to back a new manager in the summer but by that time we could be out of CL etc and their is a lack of players willing to not play in the CL .

The owners are a totally unknown in the whole of this .

No need to call our players shi.t mate surplus to requirements, poor or even cr@ppy will do at a pinch

Like I said it will be interesting as it may give some indication of whether they still have any faith left in him or not.

Certainly if they are thinking of replacing him they will want to keep any money to let the new manager buy a couple of players at least.

Will edit it to say poor

Yeah Jan will be interesting and will paint a picture for us

If they dont back the manager with any funds then the uproar from the fans may well be deafing beyond belief so maybe thats another thing to look at and then off course who they would have in mind when their last idea was Klinsmann

Oh ffs change the record, it's always the same lines from you. Klinsman is your latest favourite isn't it. Let me jog your memory a bit, around that time rafa was extremely p1ssed off with his job and was throwing his toys out of his pram big time. There was never talk of Klinsman being the new manager he was only sounded out as a consultant. Tell me something though, will you be dissapointed when we have Maureen or Hiddink as the new manager, will you miss Rafa and his enthusiastic goal celebrations, or his bright and bubbly personality, or is excellent attacks on fergie which is no way backfire spectacularly?

by **bigmick** » Mon Nov 23, 2009 10:07 pm

The Good Yank wrote:Maybe off topic, or a side tangent, If the owners weren't so hated by the supporters would they have sacked Rafa already? It's almost as if Rafa's popularity is more a result of the hatred of the owners than it is in having confidence in the manager. I don't think the owners would have the balls to fire Rafa because they would surely come under more fire than they have ever even thought possible.

But at what other big club, would winning 1 out of 10, going out of the Champions League and being 13 points behind the League Leaders, what manager of a big club would still have his job?

It's a very interesting angle mate and I think you're definately onto something. Many fans actually see Rafa as being their champion, the defender of the faith as far as the club is concerned. They may even be right, perhaps it is the case that Rafa has "stood up to the two tw@ts" and has protected the integrity of the club. This is probably what Jamie Redknapp talks about when he accuses rafa of "manipulating" the fans, rightly or wrongly.

I definately think your on the money in that if the owners felt the tide of opinion shifting against Rafa, they'd be much more inclined to pull the trigger. Unquestionably as well at any other big club in World football he would have already been on his way the way things have panned out.

by **Benny The Noon** » Mon Nov 23, 2009 10:14 pm

bigmick wrote:
The Good Yank wrote:Maybe off topic, or a side tangent, If the owners weren't so hated by the supporters would they have sacked Rafa already? It's almost as if Rafa's popularity is more a result of the hatred of the owners than it is in having confidence in the manager. I don't think the owners would have the balls to fire Rafa because they would surely come under more fire than they have ever even thought possible.

But at what other big club, would winning 1 out of 10, going out of the Champions League and being 13 points behind the League Leaders, what manager of a big club would still have his job?

It's a very interesting angle mate and I think you're definately onto something. Many fans actually see Rafa as being their champion, the defender of the faith as far as the club is concerned. They may even be right, perhaps it is the case that Rafa has "stood up to the two tw@ts" and has protected the integrity of the club. This is probably what Jamie Redknapp talks about when he accuses rafa of "manipulating" the fans, rightly or wrongly.

I definately think your on the money in that if the owners felt the tide of opinion shifting against Rafa, they'd be much more inclined to pull the trigger. Unquestionably as well at any other big club in World football he would have already been on his way the way things have panned out.

Maybe its something that the owners have learnt about Liverpool - we dont sack managers , i expect he might be sacked if he was in charge of a club on the continent if they had the same sort of results and more than likely at Chelsea under Roman - not so sure at the Mancs or Arsenal etc as they both been in our position over the last ten odd years and both managers survived . It was off course a number of years ago and things different in this day and age .

One thing the owners have stated is thou they only budget to reach the CL group stage and anything else after is a bonus so maybe going out of the CL at this stage isnt such a deal for them . Who knows . Not reaching the CL is a totally different matter but for that we need to wait till the end of the season .

by **Sir Roger** » Mon Nov 23, 2009 10:17 pm

First of all Rafa will not go if we are out of the CL and lose to the bitters. No chance whatsoever. Nor should he. It is part of football to lose as well as win.
The question should be does Rafa 'get' the Prem? Hes been here long enough to have 'got' it by now, but has he? Really?
When he first came he got rid of all of Houlliers staff and therefore anyone who had connections to the club. He brought in his own men, men who had no knowledge of the Prem and so put us quickly in a game of catch up. Then just as paco starts to understand whats needed he leaves. Finally Rafa brings Sammy Lee back and reconnects with Liverpools heart and past. When Mourinho went to Chelsea he kept some of the staff on. Some people who had Prem experience and knowledge and look what happened. Rafa didnt and here we are. I still maintain we will finish second but I also insist that we will not win the league with him in charge

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