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by **The Good Yank** » Mon Nov 23, 2009 9:29 pm

Bad Bob wrote:
NANNY RED wrote:Sorry off topic here but does anyone know if that Jamie Redknapp piece got posted an if it did were is it

It definitely was...I think in the official Benitez thread.

Is that the offical one? Or the Official, Official one?

Instead of trying to figure out where to post this I'll just say it here.

Regardless of what happens in the upcoming matches, even if we don't make it out of the group stage, I think Rafa should get the rest of the season to try to right the ship.

However if a top four finish is not in the cards, then I'd have to say it's time for a change. I'd suggest Capello after the World Cup.

by **Benny The Noon** » Mon Nov 23, 2009 9:30 pm

s@int wrote:When Rafa first came , he came in as a manager that could supposedly win the league without waiting for a "five year plan" and without a lot of money.

FIVE YEARS LATER and we need ANOTHER £100MILLION

Im guessing people looked at his record with Valencia and thought he could do it with us - i thought differently

He needed a new squad bar a couple of people and he needed funds to do it - all in one go would of been wonderful but it didnt happen .

Yes been backed to a fashion in the Transfer market and has been able to buy the odd top quality player and some cheaper alternatives . More funds to buy a few more top quality players quicker would of helped us a great deal and also not having to sell to fund would of also helped a great deal as well .

by **account deleted by request** » Mon Nov 23, 2009 9:31 pm

Benny The Noon wrote:Lack of real transfer funds - turbulent fans with the ownership - its not that dream of a job to outsiders and thats because of the owners mate .

Would another manager get what they want from the owners ? Im not sure tbh mate .

Then their is also who the owners would pick - they already looked into Klinsmann - that maybe the sort of manager they looking for .

yes i know kenny said he would do ANY role to HELP out RAFA was his words and in another interview he stated that he isnt looking at the managers job and wouldnt do it - that wasnt the reason why he decided to help Rafa out .

As for Hiddink we already know his close relationship with Roman and i can see him at the Bridge as a football director if he decides to leave the Russian job (Funded by Roman). He has already stated that he would only ever consider a return to Chelsea in the prem .

Maureen - just wouldnt ever see him working with our owners - he already fell out with Roman when he didnt get what he wanted .

Bar those two top managers who else is around - Mancini ? Maybe - very good record with Inter but backed once again by a lot of funds from the owners their .

Kenny Dalglish

"All I can say at the moment is what I've said many times: if I can help Liverpool football club in any way, shape or form then I'm in."

Liverpool Benny not Rafa.

by **bigmick** » Mon Nov 23, 2009 9:31 pm

Bad Bob wrote:
bigmick wrote:Bob I think the question is becoming increasingly relevent with each passing week, at what point do we bite the bullet if indeed we do. I do think it's a different question to those which currently exist on the boards, in that it's not intended as a critique of the manager or his methodology, it's simply asking whether at some stage a results based assessment will have to be made. I'm firmly in agreement with Benny in that you don't sack managers mid season, but even I'm starting to waver a little bit.

By all means lob it back into the Rafa Benitez thread if you want it really makes no odds to me either way, I'm sure one of the other mods will do it even if you don't. I just smell in the air though that we are reaching a crossroads. Also, the reasons which people are offering up as of now for our demise are still going to apply at the end of the season, valid or not. That's why I'm asking whether those reasons are sufficient to excuse a failure to qualify for the Champions League next season.

Anyway like I say mate, if you don't move it I'm certain somebody else will. Lets face it, it suits a particular slant of opinion to lump every single nuance into the same box, so no worries either way.

Alright, Mick, let's see how it goes. Here's hoping it moves beyond yet another airing of the old 'but who would you bring in?' discussion.

I agree with you Bob the whole "but who would you bring in" is a nonsense discussion. I think we can take it as a given that if the Liverpool job was available, there'd be 100's of people who were interested in it. From them, you pick who you consider to be the best available.

Now you can mention just about anybody, and just as peoplke would have said about Rafa before he came there will be fans who say "he's sh!t" or "why the feck would he leave the club he's at now etc etc". So it doesn't "come back to the same old question", not at all, this is a new question, or a couple of new questions.

1. If we go out of the Champions League AND lose to Everton, should Rafa survive or should we still wait until the end of the season before making any assessment?

2. Are there any circumstances which would excuse a failure to qualify for the Champions League by virtue of finishing in the top four in the league? That is to say, will "but we've had lots of injuries/but the opwners are c...s" be a viable excuse which will warrant another season?

by **heimdall** » Mon Nov 23, 2009 9:31 pm

Benny The Noon wrote:Its still the same old question that answers yours mick - who takes over ?

Yes we all know the obvious choices from people

the maureens the hiddinks but do we see them coming to us ? Not in my eyes .

Should Rafa be sacked if we dont get into top 4 - i dont really know tbh - in some ways yes but in some ways i would give him another season and see what happens and see what sort of backing in the transfer market he would get - yes i know the answer from some would be why back him for another when he has failed to get us into europe - well it would be the first poor season in the prem and maybe just a season blip (yes a long one ) and maybe deserves a chance to turn it around .

If he does stay then the owners have to back him - and i dont mean sell to buy i mean a decent backing - it doesnt have to be 100 millions like Man City but enough to get one/two top quality players and a couple of decent back ups to give us a better balanced squad .

As for the first part - i still believe and always believe you shouldnt part with the manager during the season - for me their is no other manager available mid season to come in (and who would come in )

So why did Rafa come here in the first place then? He was a very highly regarded manager when he came to us and surely after 5 years of Rafalution we aren't actually in a worse state than under Houllier are we?

by **Benny The Noon** » Mon Nov 23, 2009 9:33 pm

s@int wrote:
Benny The Noon wrote:Lack of real transfer funds - turbulent fans with the ownership - its not that dream of a job to outsiders and thats because of the owners mate .

Would another manager get what they want from the owners ? Im not sure tbh mate .

Then their is also who the owners would pick - they already looked into Klinsmann - that maybe the sort of manager they looking for .

yes i know kenny said he would do ANY role to HELP out RAFA was his words and in another interview he stated that he isnt looking at the managers job and wouldnt do it - that wasnt the reason why he decided to help Rafa out .

As for Hiddink we already know his close relationship with Roman and i can see him at the Bridge as a football director if he decides to leave the Russian job (Funded by Roman). He has already stated that he would only ever consider a return to Chelsea in the prem .

Maureen - just wouldnt ever see him working with our owners - he already fell out with Roman when he didnt get what he wanted .

Bar those two top managers who else is around - Mancini ? Maybe - very good record with Inter but backed once again by a lot of funds from the owners their .

Kenny Dalglish

"All I can say at the moment is what I've said many times: if I can help Liverpool football club in any way, shape or form then I'm in."

Liverpool Benny not Rafa.

And i have seen a different interview on LFC telly when he has said he is here to help the club and the manager .

And will stand by what i said - i dont want him to be caretaker and he shouldnt and dont think he will .

by **bigmick** » Mon Nov 23, 2009 9:34 pm

There is absolutely blatant blanket throwing going on here. THE QUESTION ISN'T WHO WOULD COME IN AS A REPLACEMENT!!!!!!!!

by **Benny The Noon** » Mon Nov 23, 2009 9:37 pm

Natural progression of the thread and it was always gooing to go that way - mention the manager leaving or maybe leaving or should he go will always bring up the argument about who will replace him .

And its got feck all to do with any type of bedroom linen .

by **heimdall** » Mon Nov 23, 2009 9:37 pm

The Good Yank wrote:
Bad Bob wrote:
NANNY RED wrote:Sorry off topic here but does anyone know if that Jamie Redknapp piece got posted an if it did were is it

It definitely was...I think in the official Benitez thread.

Is that the offical one? Or the Official, Official one?

Instead of trying to figure out where to post this I'll just say it here.

Regardless of what happens in the upcoming matches, even if we don't make it out of the group stage, I think Rafa should get the rest of the season to try to right the ship.

However if a top four finish is not in the cards, then I'd have to say it's time for a change. I'd suggest Capello after the World Cup.

Toh only problem with waiting is that by the end of the season we might be out of europe, including uefa cup, it's a real possibility, in that situation it would be more difficult to get a top class manager.

by **Benny The Noon** » Mon Nov 23, 2009 9:38 pm

heimdall wrote:
The Good Yank wrote:
Bad Bob wrote:
NANNY RED wrote:Sorry off topic here but does anyone know if that Jamie Redknapp piece got posted an if it did were is it

It definitely was...I think in the official Benitez thread.

Is that the offical one? Or the Official, Official one?

Instead of trying to figure out where to post this I'll just say it here.

Regardless of what happens in the upcoming matches, even if we don't make it out of the group stage, I think Rafa should get the rest of the season to try to right the ship.

However if a top four finish is not in the cards, then I'd have to say it's time for a change. I'd suggest Capello after the World Cup.

Toh only problem with waiting is that by the end of the season we might be out of europe, including uefa cup, it's a real possibility, in that situation it would be more difficult to get a top class manager.

And which top manager would leave their club to manage another club during the season .

by **heimdall** » Mon Nov 23, 2009 9:39 pm

Benny The Noon wrote:Natural progression of the thread and it was always gooing to go that way - mention the manager leaving or maybe leaving or should he go will always bring up the argument about who will replace him .

And its got feck all to do with any type of bedroom linen .

just an opportunity to come out with the same tired arguments Benny, which manager would ever want to manage this club, you see I have a pretty big problem with that statement because I see it as very very disrespectful to this great football club. If a manager would not want the chance to come to Liverpool and try and turn things around and one of the most well known clubs in the world then they need their heads checking.

by **bigmick** » Mon Nov 23, 2009 9:40 pm

Benny The Noon wrote:And which top manager would leave their club to manage another club during the season .

Absolutely blatant.

by **Benny The Noon** » Mon Nov 23, 2009 9:43 pm

heimdall wrote:
Benny The Noon wrote:Natural progression of the thread and it was always gooing to go that way - mention the manager leaving or maybe leaving or should he go will always bring up the argument about who will replace him .

And its got feck all to do with any type of bedroom linen .

just an opportunity to come out with the same tired arguments Benny, which manager would ever want to manage this club, you see I have a pretty big problem with that statement because I see it as very very disrespectful to this great football club. If a manager would not want the chance to come to Liverpool and try and turn things around and one of the most well known clubs in the world then they need their heads checking.

Not when they look at our current state with regards to finances and owners - its not exactly a open shut case anymore really is .

They sort of muddy the waters a little but and its got nothing to do with being disrespectful to the club . Disrespect comes from insulting anyone who is involved in the club .

by **Cool Hand Luke** » Mon Nov 23, 2009 9:43 pm

If we get knocked out of the Champions League tomorrow and lose to Everton on the weekend I imagine most of the fans who have been 50-50 will want Rafa out. It then just depends on the owners. Will they sack him and pay him a hefty severance pay or will they wait and see if he walks due to fan pressure?

by **account deleted by request** » Mon Nov 23, 2009 9:44 pm

Back on track

I think if he does survive the current crisis, it will be interesting to see if he gets any transfer money at Christmas nevermind in the summer. If he doesn't I think the writing is on the wall that they will be looking for his replacement in the summer. The owners know better than most that you don't throw good money after bad.

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