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by **aCe'** » Sun Nov 22, 2009 6:03 pm

thought this was a thread about Kuyt not Rafa..

Anyways just to get the discussion back on track.... he's sht and the sooner hes gone the better... absolutely sick of players like Kuyt and Lucas... and then people wonder why we dont create enough and why we fail to dominate against smaller sides...

by **THEBARON** » Sun Nov 22, 2009 6:27 pm

I agree with aCe' - Kuyt is not good enough. We paid around 10 million quid for a prolific scorer in Dutch football, realised that he wasn't quite the real deal and switched him to a wide position.
Yes he works his :censored:

off - but there should be much more to his game than that.
His first touch is poor , he lacks pace, lacks composure in front of goal and his passing can be poor.
Benitez has remained remarkably loyal to Kuyt and he rarely misses a game.
You may agree you may not - but please answer this question.
Would Kuyt feature regularly for the other "Big 4" sides?

by **JC_81** » Sun Nov 22, 2009 6:44 pm

THEBARON wrote:You may agree you may not - but please answer this question.
Would Kuyt feature regularly for the other "Big 4" sides?

Is he any worse than Bendtner, who this season has been deployed in a similar role at Arsenal? Is he any worse than Eboue who played there for Arsenal last season?

Is he any less effective than Kalou, Valencia, Park or Nani who have been played in that position by big four clubs over the last year? I'd argue not mate.

I'll accept he plays more regularly than the above players, but I think he's easily good enough for a top four club (as a right sided attacker), based on his scoring and assist record last season at least. He's not quite good enough to be playing as a central striker though, I'll give you that. His form is also shocking at present, I'll give you that too, but so is the form of the whole team.

by **aCe'** » Sun Nov 22, 2009 7:02 pm

john craig wrote:
THEBARON wrote:You may agree you may not - but please answer this question.
Would Kuyt feature regularly for the other "Big 4" sides?

Is he any worse than Bendtner, who this season has been deployed in a similar role at Arsenal? Is he any worse than Eboue who played there for Arsenal last season?

Is he any less effective than Kalou, Valencia, Park or Nani who have been played in that position by big four clubs over the last year? I'd argue not mate.

I'll accept he plays more regularly than the above players, but I think he's easily good enough for a top four club (as a right sided attacker), based on his scoring and assist record last season at least. He's not quite good enough to be playing as a central striker though, I'll give you that. His form is also shocking at present, I'll give you that too, but so is the form of the whole team.

All the players you mentioned are better players than he is... Bendtner has played the right winger role a couple of times for Arsenal this season when the likes of Walcott, Arshavin and Nasri have been absent but as a forward i think he's better than Kuyt, not that either are any good.... bentner isnt 1st choice right winger at Arsenal... Kuyt's unfortunately our starting right winger.
Eboue (sub), Kalou(sub, underrated and havent been given enough chances), Valencia (get real !), Park (a Kuyt with a bit of skill) , Nani (much the better player but lacks consistency) are better wingers than Kuyt will ever be... they can dribble, cross and do whats expected of them when they play out wide...
Alot has been made of Kuyt's scoring record last season.. impressive as it was, all it did imo was mask the fact that he's one of the weakest links in the side when we're struggling to get going or are trying to create attacking moves...

Like Lucas, i think Kuyt's best work comes when he's not on the ball... When other players take it upon them to start and maintain the attacking move and leave him with all the time and space to get himself into the positions he likes to get the tap ins.... Last season, he only scored 2 or 3 goals from outside the 6yard box.. think that says something....

Ill keep this about Kuyt and post about Lucas in the Lucas thread, but for now all ill say is that the side cant handle having Lucas, Kuyt, and Mascherano doing very little in terms of creative attacking play... With Aquilani, and especially RIERA back i think we'll see an improvement in Kuyt's displays (by that i mean his scoring record, god knows he'll always be an awful player to watch), but again to me, it doesnt change from the fact that we can improve drastically down the right flank if we bring in someone with better quality to help our other attacking players...

by **Penguins** » Sun Nov 22, 2009 7:06 pm

But, but... they work hard

by **JC_81** » Sun Nov 22, 2009 7:38 pm

Whatever...

The team plays badly, blame Kuyt, it's not the first time. Never mind that he was in double figures for goals and assists last season from right midfield. He's proven he's a good player in the past, but is currently in bad form.

There are plenty of players who aren't good enough though - Skrtel, Insua, Lucas, Babel, Voronin spring to mind. And there are others whose form has been even worse than Kuyt's this season, such as Carragher, Mascherano and even Gerrard at times.

We're also conceding an average of almost two goals per game. But hey, it's obviously Kuyt's fault :laugh:

Muppets.

by **aCe'** » Sun Nov 22, 2009 8:25 pm

god i wish i was as cool as you are... :cool:

by **JC_81** » Sun Nov 22, 2009 8:45 pm

aCe' wrote:god i wish i was as cool as you are...

I doubt god reads this forum mate :laugh:

by **tubby** » Sun Nov 22, 2009 8:51 pm

People need to stop moaning about Kuyt. We don't have anyone better to replace him with and Rafa is quite keen on him.

by **aCe'** » Sun Nov 22, 2009 9:23 pm

not moan about Kuyt ? Wheres the fun in that

To put it in simple terms, id rather have someone who might help us improve on our displays and maybe get us out of the sht form we're in now rather than someone who has to wait until everyone is fit and firing before he starts contributing to the side...

And Bav, i think we have Benayoun if im not mistaken.... in my books hes a better player than Kuyt is and offers more than Kuyt in attacking terms.. I'd definitely consider giving him a run ahead of Kuyt when everyone is fit...

by **bigmick** » Sun Nov 22, 2009 10:59 pm

As I said a couple of weeks ago, Kuyt's form is very poor and has been all season. I'll go further, against Man City he was awful. It caused a bit of consternation last week when I added this bit, but I'll say it again. Anyone who can't see that he is playing absolutely terrible is either clueless or looking through the rosiest of rose tinted spectacles.

All that said, I still think he's our best option on the right of midfield. Perhaps thats the problem.

by **maypaxvobiscum** » Mon Nov 23, 2009 4:46 am

bigmick wrote:Anyone who can't see that he is playing absolutely terrible is either clueless or looking through the rosiest of rose tinted spectacles.

by **killerp** » Mon Nov 23, 2009 5:53 am

bavlondon wrote:People need to stop moaning about Kuyt. We don't have anyone better to replace him with and Rafa is quite keen on him.

What about Aquilani on the right wing? put Kuyt on the bench and keep him as a ball runner-down pressure sub.

Hey it works well in FIFA10, perhaps we should give Rafa a copy to test it out

by **tonyeh** » Mon Nov 23, 2009 9:36 am

As long as Benitez is the manager, he'll continue to play Kuyt. He'll continue to use a 4-5-1 formation even with strikers that are clearly not up to the job and against teams that it shouldn't be used against. He'll continue to use zonal marking to defend set pieces, even that the goal leakage has suggested that it is clearly not working. He'll continue to buy average or terrible players. He'll continue to make extremely dodgy decisions, be it in substitutions, setup or player choice...and he'll continue doing things his way, until he walks, is sacked or the team is an absolute shambles and we end up in the bottom half of the table.

I know this isn't yet another thread about the manager, but the problem is not Dirk Kuyt, it's Raphael Benitez.

by **The_Rock** » Mon Nov 23, 2009 10:00 am

bigmick wrote:As I said a couple of weeks ago, Kuyt's form is very poor and has been all season. I'll go further, against Man City he was awful. It caused a bit of consternation last week when I added this bit, but I'll say it again. Anyone who can't see that he is playing absolutely terrible is either clueless or looking through the rosiest of rose tinted spectacles.

All that said, I still think he's our best option on the right of midfield. Perhaps thats the problem.

You don't think benayoun or johnson can do a better job than him as a rw?

Maybe...the way the team is playing....its better to go 3-2-3-2 formation with johnson & auerlio as wingbacks.

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