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by **Big Niall** » Fri Nov 20, 2009 1:42 pm

Henry is a cheat and not a sportsman but so are most footballers and the comment above about Torres is through (although I have often complained in the past about SG dives for penalties, Ngog's was a disgrace too)

However, I still think FIFA stitched us up. They cheated us with the seeding and then how every official went blind for 2 offsides and 2 blatent handballs (he practically caught the thing) is why I think we were stitched up.

I won't bother watching the world cup as FIFA are crooks.

by **Benny The Noon** » Fri Nov 20, 2009 3:20 pm

You have to let it go Niall - you had the chances to win the game yourself and didnt take them .

Refs are only human and made a mistake - it happens - i actually thought the ref had a great game - 9 times out of ten that pen against Anelka would of been given by most refs .

Also i bet you that an Irish footballer has deliberatly handled the ball in the past and progressed through after a ref blunder or an incorrect desicion .

Henry made a mistake and prob acted more in instinct - it happens in football and i bet every single football has done something and sometimes got away with it - he is still a sportsman at the end of the day and he has already stated that you deserve to go through - im sure he is ashamed of the incident himself.

by **Ben Patrick** » Fri Nov 20, 2009 3:54 pm

Benny The Noon wrote:You have to let it go Niall - you had the chances to win the game yourself and didnt take them .

Refs are only human and made a mistake - it happens - i actually thought the ref had a great game - 9 times out of ten that pen against Anelka would of been given by most refs .

Also i bet you that an Irish footballer has deliberatly handled the ball in the past and progressed through after a ref blunder or an incorrect desicion .

Henry made a mistake and prob acted more in instinct - it happens in football and i bet every single football has done something and sometimes got away with it - he is still a sportsman at the end of the day and he has already stated that you deserve to go through - im sure he is ashamed of the incident himself.

I see your point mate but its not as easy as just getting on with it.

I am english but was fuming the other night when i seen that.
The referee had had a good game until that incident and wasnt able to see it properly.
However the assistant should have flagged for offside as soon as the ball was crossed in as there was someone clearly offside right in the centre of the area.
Then the assistant should spot the double hand ball by Henry as well.
It was a shocking way to go out after Ireland had dominated the game.
Perhaps Ireland should have wrapped the game up by then. but the france keeper made good saves, and to be honest that doesnt excuse terrible decisions by officials.
Irish players might have got away with things at times in the past but i am 100% certain that if that had happened at the other end at that stage in the game the goal would not have stood.

Like the irish lads on here have also said, how the feckinell can they change the rules on the seedings at the last minute as well ?
That was diabolical and screams of corruption.

Gutted for the irish they were raped.

by **Benny The Noon** » Fri Nov 20, 2009 3:59 pm

Ben Patrick wrote:
Benny The Noon wrote:You have to let it go Niall - you had the chances to win the game yourself and didnt take them .

Refs are only human and made a mistake - it happens - i actually thought the ref had a great game - 9 times out of ten that pen against Anelka would of been given by most refs .

Also i bet you that an Irish footballer has deliberatly handled the ball in the past and progressed through after a ref blunder or an incorrect desicion .

Henry made a mistake and prob acted more in instinct - it happens in football and i bet every single football has done something and sometimes got away with it - he is still a sportsman at the end of the day and he has already stated that you deserve to go through - im sure he is ashamed of the incident himself.

I see your point mate but its not as easy as just getting on with it.

I am english but was fuming the other night when i seen that.
The referee had had a good game until that incident and wasnt able to see it properly.
However the assistant should have flagged for offside as soon as the ball was crossed in as there was someone clearly offside right in the centre of the area.
Then the assistant should spot the double hand ball by Henry as well.
It was a shocking way to go out after Ireland had dominated the game.
Perhaps Ireland should have wrapped the game up by then. but the france keeper made good saves, and to be honest that doesnt excuse terrible decisions by officials.
Irish players might have got away with things at times in the past but i am 100% certain that if that had happened at the other end at that stage in the game the goal would not have stood.

Like the irish lads on here have also said, how the feckinell can they change the rules on the seedings at the last minute as well ?
That was diabolical and screams of corruption.

Gutted for the irish they were raped.

Oh i agree it was gutting for them and they deserve to go through but its football and it happens and they just got to move on and build from it and make themselves stronger .

As for the seedings - two of the seeded teams got knocked out and Ireland had the chances to beat France easily and in fairness it would of been harder to face some of the so called easier teams .

by **Big Niall** » Fri Nov 20, 2009 4:27 pm

I know most footballers (from all teams) are cheats but my two grudges are

(1) FIFA clearly wanted the big countries to qualify

(2) I am suspicous about the incident (I don't think anybody thought Anelka's was a penalty either)

by **bunglemark2** » Fri Nov 20, 2009 4:34 pm

AND....they have dropped us down the FIFA rankings today. Even so far as seeding Bulgaria ahead of us, despite the fact that we finished AHEAD of them in the qualifying stages.....
All the fuss and furore we have caused is being punished this way....

FIFA ARE KUNTZ !!!

by **Ben Patrick** » Fri Nov 20, 2009 4:40 pm

Benny The Noon wrote:
Ben Patrick wrote:
Benny The Noon wrote:You have to let it go Niall - you had the chances to win the game yourself and didnt take them .

Refs are only human and made a mistake - it happens - i actually thought the ref had a great game - 9 times out of ten that pen against Anelka would of been given by most refs .

Also i bet you that an Irish footballer has deliberatly handled the ball in the past and progressed through after a ref blunder or an incorrect desicion .

Henry made a mistake and prob acted more in instinct - it happens in football and i bet every single football has done something and sometimes got away with it - he is still a sportsman at the end of the day and he has already stated that you deserve to go through - im sure he is ashamed of the incident himself.

I see your point mate but its not as easy as just getting on with it.

I am english but was fuming the other night when i seen that.
The referee had had a good game until that incident and wasnt able to see it properly.
However the assistant should have flagged for offside as soon as the ball was crossed in as there was someone clearly offside right in the centre of the area.
Then the assistant should spot the double hand ball by Henry as well.
It was a shocking way to go out after Ireland had dominated the game.
Perhaps Ireland should have wrapped the game up by then. but the france keeper made good saves, and to be honest that doesnt excuse terrible decisions by officials.
Irish players might have got away with things at times in the past but i am 100% certain that if that had happened at the other end at that stage in the game the goal would not have stood.

Like the irish lads on here have also said, how the feckinell can they change the rules on the seedings at the last minute as well ?
That was diabolical and screams of corruption.

Gutted for the irish they were raped.

Oh i agree it was gutting for them and they deserve to go through but its football and it happens and they just got to move on and build from it and make themselves stronger .

As for the seedings - two of the seeded teams got knocked out and Ireland had the chances to beat France easily and in fairness it would of been harder to face some of the so called easier teams .

Thats not the point though (regarding the seedings i mean).

They cant just change the rules from an open draw to having it seeded when France fail to qualify.
The president of UEFA is Platini who happens to be french, the rules are then changed when they dont qualify.
If that isnt corrupt i dont know what is to be honest.

It doesnt matter that people could say that Ireland might not have fared better against another of the countries. The fact is, it appears clear that it was done to give France the easiest chance of progressing.

by **Emerald Red** » Fri Nov 20, 2009 4:46 pm

Benny The Noon wrote:Bit childish really .

If torres did the same to win the prem - not one of us here would give two fecking sh.its .

I don't think any self-respecting Liverpool supporter would want any of our players to resort to something like that to win something. :no

by **Big Niall** » Fri Nov 20, 2009 6:19 pm

The seedings fiasco is a pure scam, changing the rules at the very end to try and protect the big countries - this is supposed to be a sport!

The officials missing EVERYTHING in that moment is suspicous.

Going through a group UNBEATEN and against the world champpions too and then drawing over 2 legs(90 mins) against the runners up and being seeded below the team you finished above just isn't right - is the formula for this transparent?

I don't trust them one bit - see Platinis fat face delighted at the end - he is supposed to be the head of UEFA for fukk sake.

STITCH UP. :angry:

by **Dazzer** » Fri Nov 20, 2009 6:47 pm

Benny The Noon wrote:Bit childish really .

If torres did the same to win the prem - not one of us here would give two fecking sh.its .

I would I am no cheat.

by **LFC2007** » Fri Nov 20, 2009 11:38 pm

The change in format was embarrassing. If you're not good enough to make it through the group stages having been seeded already, why should you be afforded protection for a second time in the play-off draw? There shouldn't be a second seeding; a run of 8-10 competitive games (as opposed to p!ss all friendlies which form a contribution to the seedings) in the group stages should serve as a fair measure of merit. Elitist if not corrupt. (I would distinguish it from the UCL rule change which was simply common sense prevailing - winning the thing should merit re-entry)

Re. Henry: I'd hesitate to call it a 'stitch up' knowing there were better chances for the ref to gift France the lead or the opportunity for the lead prior (Anelka pen claim/dive) but it wouldn't surprise me. France have some pretty influential figures in the game; who knows what that level of influence may have on ref's and linesmen. All in all though, the linesman/ref probably just bottled it.

I'm generally not a fan of the idea of replays but if both teams consent, it seems only sensible to proceed with it. The French Association would never do that, despite Henry's consent (and no doubt he was fully aware that there was no chance prior to releasing it).

by **Kash_Mountain** » Sat Nov 21, 2009 12:28 am

Benny The Noon wrote:Bit childish really .

If torres did the same to win the prem - not one of us here would give two fecking sh.its .

I don't think any LFC fan would want the team to win the EPL (even if it has been nearly 20 years) in this manner. Leave the cheating to Henry.

by **Big Niall** » Sat Nov 21, 2009 1:09 am

I might be able to break into FIFA and steel some world player of the year award but so what?

Sport should allow Preston North End beat Liverpool if they play better on the day.

I just don't give a fukk about Football anymore, we were never welcome at the table.

The sport is dead to me, fukk football.

by **Dundalk** » Sat Nov 21, 2009 1:18 am

Kash_Mountain wrote:
Benny The Noon wrote:Bit childish really .

If torres did the same to win the prem - not one of us here would give two fecking sh.its .

I don't think any LFC fan would want the team to win the EPL (even if it has been nearly 20 years) in this manner. Leave the cheating to Henry.

by **Big Niall** » Sat Nov 21, 2009 1:48 am

I am just disgusted with the whole sport I really loved to pieces as a young boy between 1982 and 1984 (my first memories).

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