Liverpool FC Forum

by **Owzat** » Fri Nov 06, 2009 8:32 am

bigmick wrote:It is a strange system, and not a particularly fair one ether. Nor could it be said to be encouraging teams to play in an attacking way, nor does it ensure that every minute of every match actually counts. Just as well for us that it is the case though, as our 1-0 Home win against the pub team was an awful effort and would have been enough to put us out otherwise.

It's as stupid a system as the one they use in qualifying for the World Cup and European Championship. They discount the results against the weak teams, but what happens if a weak team beat say Switzerland as happened? Surely that is as bad as beating a better team is good?

So Fiorentina can whip Debrecen by 9-2 or whatever it was, Liverpool beat Debrecen 2-0, but it comes down to results between Fiorentina and Liverpool. It is a league table, if only a mini-league, so why shouldn't normal league rules apply?

We finished 4th on GD in the league in 1996/97, had CL rules on head to heads applied then we'd have finished 2nd above Newcastle (2nd) and Arsenal (3rd)

96/97 Liverpool 2-1 Newcastle, Newcastle 1-1 Liverpool
96/97 Liverpool 2-0 Arsenal, Arsenal 1-2 Liverpool

Would have made a good season better, SF of the Cup Winners Cup, QFs of the League Cup. I think Evans was much underrated as a manager, finished 3rd twice, 4th twice (once on GD as above), won a cup and finished runners-up in the FA Cup and got to the semis in a decent cup competition in Europe (now defunct) But as with Houllier and probably Rafa, I doubt he was likely to win the league even if you gave him 10 years in charge. The mancs were beginning to dominate and pull away from the rest, we missed too many openings with wrong managers (IMHO) 2002/03 was perhaps the biggest missed opportunity, 30 points from 12 games and we fell apart. The title was won with just 83 points, the next lowest since was 87 which is more than we've managed in the Premeirship.

by **Benny The Noon** » Fri Nov 06, 2009 12:19 pm

I thought this was a thread to back the team ?

by **NANNY RED** » Fri Nov 06, 2009 1:58 pm

Benny The Noon wrote:I thought this was a thread to back the team ?

Fecking Hijacked :;):

by **redbeergoggles** » Sun Nov 08, 2009 3:14 am

I find the current trend that is evolving with regards to Rafas culpability ,more than a tad disconcerting to say the least , can someone please explain what is happening to the staunch support synonymous with Liverpool and its knowledgeable fans ,Is it a virus that is sweeping through our once formidable armoury that is weakening our resolve ,its plain to see the season is in its infancy, surely its not too much of a leap of faith to asssume ,other Premiership teams will fall victim to the injury plague that is so prevalent in our current state of health .

Why if its the Premier league that is the absolute pinnacle of our aspirations ,are we subjected to such barbs as "If we lose to Lyon should we sack him " I was under the distinct impression the Champions League was not an essential goal this season ,was I misguided in my subsequent train of thought that taking precedence would be winning the Premiership ?

I think in a general we need to support the team as a whole and that includes the much maligned manager ,afterall it is not beyond the realms of reason to hold the belief other top teams will drop points in the ensuing season ,Im guessing the posters who possess more than a modicum of intelligence would have already gleamed from this season that the majority of games thus far ,have been relatively high scoring affairs were defences have hardly been on top .

All the top defences have been struggling this season ,what is patently obvious is the game has evolved more offensively ,were now attack is the more predominant force ......surely we can afford the team some much needed patience in this the most difficult time in our history ,afterall is it not our patience and dexterity that makes Liverpool fans a completely different animal ,much seperated from the more common intolerant dolts that support Chelsea and the like.

I expect Liverpool fans to be more attuned to the current plight of our club ,I expect Liverpool fans to provide a circle of steel around Anfield ,and be universal in the acceptance that these are indeed difficult times ,and they will require every ounce of our unique reserve ,I expect Liverpool fans to be unlike any others ......Simply UNIQUE

by **big al** » Sun Nov 08, 2009 4:18 am

Simple Question. Simple answer. 20 years of not winning the top division in England. Call it what you will. The Mancs are equal and could take over if we fail. Half a dictionary will not change the truth. You have a very delightful and poetic tone however. Almost but not quite, plain english. Well done for effort.

by **bigmick** » Sun Nov 08, 2009 4:21 am

Very very few people are saying we should sack the manager though Red, very very few. In fact, we are rapidly approaching the very odd situation where more people are moaning about people moaning about the manager than are people actually moaning about him, if you get my drift.

Look, if you lose 6 out of 8, winning one out of 8, exit the Carling Cup, as good as exit the title race and look like you're going to exit the Champions League, what do people expect fans on forums to do, nominate Rafa for manager of the month? At the start of the season we can only win four trophies, and it is looking distinctly probable that as of now we can only win one of them. People are going to have a moan, live with it.

Being a supporter is not clapping your hands on a forum and insisting you have "faith" in a manager and "believe" in him, even if you don't. Those who still do have "faith" in him and still do "believe" in him are entirely entitled to their opinion, but surely those of us who don't, and those who are wavering are surely entitled to the same consideration.

As I've said a few times, if people don't want to talk about the manager then they shouldn't do it. To try and stop other people talking about it though seems odd to me. Almost as odd as people (not you Red) implying that some of us aren't "real" fans because we think our performances and results this season are some way below what we're capable of. The World is a very odd place at the moment, that's for sure.

by **Number 9** » Sun Nov 08, 2009 4:46 am

bigmick wrote:Very very few people are saying we should sack the manager though Red, very very few. In fact, we are rapidly approaching the very odd situation where more people are moaning about people moaning about the manager than are people actually moaning about him, if you get my drift.

Look, if you lose 6 out of 8, winning one out of 8, exit the Carling Cup, as good as exit the title race and look like you're going to exit the Champions League, what do people expect fans on forums to do, nominate Rafa for manager of the month? At the start of the season we can only win four trophies, and it is looking distinctly probable that as of now we can only win one of them. People are going to have a moan, live with it.

Being a supporter is not clapping your hands on a forum and insisting you have "faith" in a manager and "believe" in him, even if you don't. Those who still do have "faith" in him and still do "believe" in him are entirely entitled to their opinion, but surely those of us who don't, and those who are wavering are surely entitled to the same consideration.

As I've said a few times, if people don't want to talk about the manager then they shouldn't do it. To try and stop other people talking about it though seems odd to me. Almost as odd as people (not you Red) implying that some of us aren't "real" fans because we think our performances and results this season are some way below what we're capable of. The World is a very odd place at the moment, that's for sure.

Well considering the point you have been wa,nking over Jose for about 3 years or since he parted our soils I find this rich...very very rich!

Ah Barry and all that...Ah Mick,as soon as your special one won the EPL and fu,cked off you have became a tw,at..thats not to say you were not one already!
Poor me gets flack..poor me,always picked on,poor me deserves more space........No offence like but I think bringing a sex shop to NZ was silly considering the sheep to man ratio?Call me sceptic?

PS your sarcasm is about as funny as a boot in the nuts!

by **redbeergoggles** » Sun Nov 08, 2009 4:48 am

big al wrote:Simple Question. Simple answer. 20 years of not winning the top division in England. Call it what you will. The Mancs are equal and could take over if we fail. Half a dictionary will not change the truth. You have a very delightful and poetic tone however. Almost but not quite, plain english. Well done for effort.

Simple riposte Al .......20yrs and counting and that equation however much you would like it to is not about to be altered one iota by rounding on the manager ,Liverpool are no longer the force they once were ,we have no God given right to assume our place in the top tier ,Our club has continued to be run poorly for many years now ,in point of fact it is a constant source of amazement how we have continued to remain a threat for so long with such incompetence at board level ...... but still never mind eh Al you revert to type by turning what was a genuine statement of what I thought our intent should be ,into a question

by **made in UK** » Sun Nov 08, 2009 5:01 am

Number 9 wrote:
bigmick wrote:Very very few people are saying we should sack the manager though Red, very very few. In fact, we are rapidly approaching the very odd situation where more people are moaning about people moaning about the manager than are people actually moaning about him, if you get my drift.

Look, if you lose 6 out of 8, winning one out of 8, exit the Carling Cup, as good as exit the title race and look like you're going to exit the Champions League, what do people expect fans on forums to do, nominate Rafa for manager of the month? At the start of the season we can only win four trophies, and it is looking distinctly probable that as of now we can only win one of them. People are going to have a moan, live with it.

Being a supporter is not clapping your hands on a forum and insisting you have "faith" in a manager and "believe" in him, even if you don't. Those who still do have "faith" in him and still do "believe" in him are entirely entitled to their opinion, but surely those of us who don't, and those who are wavering are surely entitled to the same consideration.

As I've said a few times, if people don't want to talk about the manager then they shouldn't do it. To try and stop other people talking about it though seems odd to me. Almost as odd as people (not you Red) implying that some of us aren't "real" fans because we think our performances and results this season are some way below what we're capable of. The World is a very odd place at the moment, that's for sure.

Well considering the point you have been wa,nking over Jose for about 3 years or since he parted our soils I find this rich...very very rich!

Ah Barry and all that...Ah Mick,as soon as your special one won the EPL and fu,cked off you have became a tw,at..thats not to say you were not one already!
Poor me gets flack..poor me,always picked on,poor me deserves more space........No offence like but I think bringing a sex shop to NZ was silly considering the sheep to man ratio?Call me sceptic?

PS your sarcasm is about as funny as a boot in the nuts!

Wind your neck in Barry.

by **redbeergoggles** » Sun Nov 08, 2009 5:12 am

bigmick wrote:Very very few people are saying we should sack the manager though Red, very very few. In fact, we are rapidly approaching the very odd situation where more people are moaning about people moaning about the manager than are people actually moaning about him, if you get my drift.

Look, if you lose 6 out of 8, winning one out of 8, exit the Carling Cup, as good as exit the title race and look like you're going to exit the Champions League, what do people expect fans on forums to do, nominate Rafa for manager of the month? At the start of the season we can only win four trophies, and it is looking distinctly probable that as of now we can only win one of them. People are going to have a moan, live with it.

Being a supporter is not clapping your hands on a forum and insisting you have "faith" in a manager and "believe" in him, even if you don't. Those who still do have "faith" in him and still do "believe" in him are entirely entitled to their opinion, but surely those of us who don't, and those who are wavering are surely entitled to the same consideration.

As I've said a few times, if people don't want to talk about the manager then they shouldn't do it. To try and stop other people talking about it though seems odd to me. Almost as odd as people (not you Red) implying that some of us aren't "real" fans because we think our performances and results this season are some way below what we're capable of. The World is a very odd place at the moment, that's for sure.

Mick the post was about the fans ,not Rafa ,it was about what I expect as an individual from all Liverpool's fans ,its not a general consensus its my beliefs and the traits that have been passed down from father to son , its basically what seperated us from the rabble all them years ago .

I genuinely feel fans do not know the severity of the predicament this club finds itself in today ,its almost like a sweep it under the proverbial carpet solution ,if you cant see it is isnt happening .....

I am not saying no-one should have doubts about the manager, what I am advocating is that we unify and bond together on the one underlying goal of regaining our solidity as a formidable fan base ,because the media are murdering us ,because unlike at any other time in our history the B@stards can see the gaps and they are revelling in it .

by **made in UK** » Sun Nov 08, 2009 5:13 am

I expect Liverpool fans to express their honest opinions as it is only human nature to do so.

by **redbeergoggles** » Sun Nov 08, 2009 5:26 am

I suspect we are clearly on two vastly different tangents ,so rather than become repetitive ,Im going to let my pillow take priority ,Goodnight people .....

by **The_Rock** » Sun Nov 08, 2009 5:45 am

Number 9 wrote:
bigmick wrote:Very very few people are saying we should sack the manager though Red, very very few. In fact, we are rapidly approaching the very odd situation where more people are moaning about people moaning about the manager than are people actually moaning about him, if you get my drift.

Look, if you lose 6 out of 8, winning one out of 8, exit the Carling Cup, as good as exit the title race and look like you're going to exit the Champions League, what do people expect fans on forums to do, nominate Rafa for manager of the month? At the start of the season we can only win four trophies, and it is looking distinctly probable that as of now we can only win one of them. People are going to have a moan, live with it.

Being a supporter is not clapping your hands on a forum and insisting you have "faith" in a manager and "believe" in him, even if you don't. Those who still do have "faith" in him and still do "believe" in him are entirely entitled to their opinion, but surely those of us who don't, and those who are wavering are surely entitled to the same consideration.

As I've said a few times, if people don't want to talk about the manager then they shouldn't do it. To try and stop other people talking about it though seems odd to me. Almost as odd as people (not you Red) implying that some of us aren't "real" fans because we think our performances and results this season are some way below what we're capable of. The World is a very odd place at the moment, that's for sure.

Well considering the point you have been wa,nking over Jose for about 3 years or since he parted our soils I find this rich...very very rich!

Ah Barry and all that...Ah Mick,as soon as your special one won the EPL and fu,cked off you have became a tw,at..thats not to say you were not one already!
Poor me gets flack..poor me,always picked on,poor me deserves more space........No offence like but I think bringing a sex shop to NZ was silly considering the sheep to man ratio?Call me sceptic?

PS your sarcasm is about as funny as a boot in the nuts!

This is the reason why this forum is going to the $hitters..... Posters like number 9, Emerald red, lando....(and others)...personally insulting members of this forum when we say anything remotely "bad" about the manager.

Have you seen Big Mick insulting another member of this forum ? Have u seen Lakes doing it ? Heimdell ? I haven't really insulted anyone here too for a long time....(i think

)

But then check the previous posts of some of the so-called "pro-rafalites"... All filled with personal insults... Infact these are the people who always seem to start flame wars here.

The question is why aren't the Mods doing anything about it ?

by **bigmick** » Sun Nov 08, 2009 6:26 am

Number 9 wrote:
bigmick wrote:Very very few people are saying we should sack the manager though Red, very very few. In fact, we are rapidly approaching the very odd situation where more people are moaning about people moaning about the manager than are people actually moaning about him, if you get my drift.

Look, if you lose 6 out of 8, winning one out of 8, exit the Carling Cup, as good as exit the title race and look like you're going to exit the Champions League, what do people expect fans on forums to do, nominate Rafa for manager of the month? At the start of the season we can only win four trophies, and it is looking distinctly probable that as of now we can only win one of them. People are going to have a moan, live with it.

Being a supporter is not clapping your hands on a forum and insisting you have "faith" in a manager and "believe" in him, even if you don't. Those who still do have "faith" in him and still do "believe" in him are entirely entitled to their opinion, but surely those of us who don't, and those who are wavering are surely entitled to the same consideration.

As I've said a few times, if people don't want to talk about the manager then they shouldn't do it. To try and stop other people talking about it though seems odd to me. Almost as odd as people (not you Red) implying that some of us aren't "real" fans because we think our performances and results this season are some way below what we're capable of. The World is a very odd place at the moment, that's for sure.

Well considering the point you have been wa,nking over Jose for about 3 years or since he parted our soils I find this rich...very very rich!

Ah Barry and all that...Ah Mick,as soon as your special one won the EPL and fu,cked off you have became a tw,at..thats not to say you were not one already!
Poor me gets flack..poor me,always picked on,poor me deserves more space........No offence like but I think bringing a sex shop to NZ was silly considering the sheep to man ratio?Call me sceptic?

PS your sarcasm is about as funny as a boot in the nuts!

Fecking hell

.

by **Number 9** » Sun Nov 08, 2009 6:26 am

The_Rock wrote:
Number 9 wrote:
bigmick wrote:Very very few people are saying we should sack the manager though Red, very very few. In fact, we are rapidly approaching the very odd situation where more people are moaning about people moaning about the manager than are people actually moaning about him, if you get my drift.

Look, if you lose 6 out of 8, winning one out of 8, exit the Carling Cup, as good as exit the title race and look like you're going to exit the Champions League, what do people expect fans on forums to do, nominate Rafa for manager of the month? At the start of the season we can only win four trophies, and it is looking distinctly probable that as of now we can only win one of them. People are going to have a moan, live with it.

Being a supporter is not clapping your hands on a forum and insisting you have "faith" in a manager and "believe" in him, even if you don't. Those who still do have "faith" in him and still do "believe" in him are entirely entitled to their opinion, but surely those of us who don't, and those who are wavering are surely entitled to the same consideration.

As I've said a few times, if people don't want to talk about the manager then they shouldn't do it. To try and stop other people talking about it though seems odd to me. Almost as odd as people (not you Red) implying that some of us aren't "real" fans because we think our performances and results this season are some way below what we're capable of. The World is a very odd place at the moment, that's for sure.

Well considering the point you have been wa,nking over Jose for about 3 years or since he parted our soils I find this rich...very very rich!

Ah Barry and all that...Ah Mick,as soon as your special one won the EPL and fu,cked off you have became a tw,at..thats not to say you were not one already!
Poor me gets flack..poor me,always picked on,poor me deserves more space........No offence like but I think bringing a sex shop to NZ was silly considering the sheep to man ratio?Call me sceptic?

PS your sarcasm is about as funny as a boot in the nuts!

This is the reason why this forum is going to the $hitters..... Posters like number 9, Emerald red, lando....(and others)...personally insulting members of this forum when we say anything remotely "bad" about the manager.

Have you seen Big Mick insulting another member of this forum ? Have u seen Lakes doing it ? Heimdell ? I haven't really insulted anyone here too for a long time....(i think )

But then check the previous posts of some of the so-called "pro-rafalites"... All filled with personal insults... Infact these are the people who always seem to start flame wars here.

The question is why aren't the Mods doing anything about it ?

Or maybe its because the forum has been synonymatically disected by a few individuals into.."two camps"
The "pros" and the "antis"...what in the name of fu'ck happened to the realists?

Everyone says the forum is dying and I'd agree...anyone with any sense that logs on here would feel the life sucked out of them in an instant!I salute people that can be bothered to argue anything remotely positive on here..people that can see the bigger picture rather than having a fanny fit after each loss!

I could say a hell of a lot and I really feel like it...the bottom line is I dont give a flying fiddlers fu'ck about who I would say it to....most people on here are irrelevant when it comes to LFC...quite a lot of 4 year old fed up glory hunters..in fact they are rife!

Consider that a personal insult?
A spade is a spade ....fuc'k off and support City,some of you should look the word "support" up in the dictionary!
How many points behind?How many games left....how many points to play for?

Do the fuc'king maths you bunch of morbid gimps!

*****The question is why aren't the Mods doing anything about it ?******
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