If we lose to lyon - Will rafa get the sack? (or resign)

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If we lose to lyon - Will rafa get the sack? (or resign)

Yes, probably
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Should, but might not
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Shouldn't, but might
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No, doubt it
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Postby Owzat » Sun Nov 01, 2009 8:01 am

Not a question of whether you want Rafa to get sacked, or resign even, but whether a loss on Wednesday hand in hand with our bad league form would tip the balance.

League : Won 6-5 Lost, struggling
Champions League : Won 1-2 Lost, defeat would mean we're probably out
League Cup : Won 1-1 Lost, out of the competition

Overall : Won 8-8 Lost, defeat to Lyon would mean we've lost more than we've won.
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Postby account deleted by request » Sun Nov 01, 2009 8:06 am

I don't think we have the finance to sack him, and I can't see him walking without a big payoff. So unless Madrid decide to come in for him (looking less likely by the game) I think he will stay until the summer.
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Postby Dazzer » Sun Nov 01, 2009 8:59 am

Ok well since my poll was shut down I expect this will too so I pass on voting.
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Postby bigmick » Sun Nov 01, 2009 8:59 am

Agree with S@int, he's here until the Summer at the very least. He should be too, for many reasons. The main two or three for me are 1. That most of the managers you would want to replace him are currently in employment, you'd have more chance of prizing them away from their jobs in the Summer. 2. Rafa deserves the opportunity to pull us out of our tailspin, and 3. (an important one this) If he is going to make a real nonsense of it, letting him do it would at least give the new manager a clear run with the fans. You only have to read this forum to realise that some peoples loyalty towards the manager and absolute refusal to even blame him even a fraction for any woes is laughable on occasions, and if he went on Thursday and a new bloke turned it around you'd have 3/4 of the fans not giving him any credit and saying we should bring back Rafa.

Let him have a proper go at it. We've now spent more money than both Arsenal and Manchester United, he's in control of recruitment, the youth policy, the academy, the coaching, the fitness, the diet and everything else. There can be no excuses surely if it all goes pear shaped, if it does then we can bring in a new manager and put it all down to experience.

As for shortlists, the list should be the shortest one in history and only have have one name on it. We should move heaven and earth to get that name to come to Anfield, and if we can't, then we make a list and do some interviewing.
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Postby The_Rock » Sun Nov 01, 2009 9:04 am

If all the happy clappy hippies are right about benitez..
1)He only cares about this club .....no one else at the club cares.

2)He has this teams's interest on heart...he picks the best team no matter what. He will not allow his personal biasness to cloud his judgement

3)blah blah blah...

Then benitez should just walk away if we lose to lyon don't you think ?.... But will he ?

1)A manager who tells a player not to sign a big long term deal if he doesn't sign one....  :no

2)A manager who spends a big part of our transfer budget giving his sh1tty coaches and scouts a huge longterm deal (with hefty pay rise).


IMO....Benitez is just looking after himself and his "yes-men".
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Postby lakes10 » Sun Nov 01, 2009 10:31 am

s@int wrote:I don't think we have the finance to sack him, and I can't see him walking without a big payoff. So unless Madrid decide to come in for him (looking less likely by the game) I think he will stay until the summer.

i beg you mate to get this idea out of your head that its going to cost loads to pay him off, there is such a big loophole in the contract for the owners that you could fit a house in it.

if he is not winning games and missing his targets that it will only cost us asmall goobye

i put this to you

if we ended up 15th in the prem and out of all the cups do you still think it will cost us loads? ???? ????


no and the same stands right now. if he is seen to not be doing the job right that it will not cost us much, if he was doing a good job but the owners looked for a new manager and got one then it would cost us loads.
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Postby tubby » Sun Nov 01, 2009 10:32 am

Him leaving now in either situation does nothing to help the club. Even Houllier stayed until he the end of the season and made sure we got into the top 4 in that last season.
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Postby ConnO'var » Sun Nov 01, 2009 10:36 am

To answer the question posed by the thread starter...... No, he would not or he jolly well better not..... cost us way too much and the next manager will be stuck with a team he may not want and no means to rectify the situation due to cashflow problems.
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Postby lakes10 » Sun Nov 01, 2009 10:36 am

bavlondon wrote:Him leaving now in either situation does nothing to help the club. Even Houllier stayed until he the end of the season and made sure we got into the top 4 in that last season.

you was at the game Bav, what are the other fans there saying?

i think get a new manager now, let him start to build in the new window, the look on the players faces when they were taken off seemed to they they think he has lost the plot.
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Postby account deleted by request » Sun Nov 01, 2009 10:40 am

lakes10 wrote:
s@int wrote:I don't think we have the finance to sack him, and I can't see him walking without a big payoff. So unless Madrid decide to come in for him (looking less likely by the game) I think he will stay until the summer.

i beg you mate to get this idea out of your head that its going to cost loads to pay him off, there is such a big loophole in the contract for the owners that you could fit a house in it.

if he is not winning games and missing his targets that it will only cost us asmall goobye

i put this to you

if we ended up 15th in the prem and out of all the cups do you still think it will cost us loads? ???? ????


no and the same stands right now. if he is seen to not be doing the job right that it will not cost us much, if he was doing a good job but the owners looked for a new manager and got one then it would cost us loads.

I genuinely hope you are right mate. I just haven't seen anything to suggest such a loophole in his contract exists, and I seriously doubt if Rafa from the position of strength that he had at the time would have signed the contract if it contained such a loophole.
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Postby lakes10 » Sun Nov 01, 2009 10:49 am

s@int wrote:
lakes10 wrote:
s@int wrote:I don't think we have the finance to sack him, and I can't see him walking without a big payoff. So unless Madrid decide to come in for him (looking less likely by the game) I think he will stay until the summer.

i beg you mate to get this idea out of your head that its going to cost loads to pay him off, there is such a big loophole in the contract for the owners that you could fit a house in it.

if he is not winning games and missing his targets that it will only cost us asmall goobye

i put this to you

if we ended up 15th in the prem and out of all the cups do you still think it will cost us loads? ???? ????


no and the same stands right now. if he is seen to not be doing the job right that it will not cost us much, if he was doing a good job but the owners looked for a new manager and got one then it would cost us loads.

I genuinely hope you are right mate. I just haven't seen anything to suggest such a loophole in his contract exists, and I seriously doubt if Rafa from the position of strength that he had at the time would have signed the contract if it contained such a loophole.

we have american owners who love their money.........theres a loophole all right.
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Postby tubby » Sun Nov 01, 2009 10:53 am

lakes10 wrote:
bavlondon wrote:Him leaving now in either situation does nothing to help the club. Even Houllier stayed until he the end of the season and made sure we got into the top 4 in that last season.

you was at the game Bav, what are the other fans there saying?

i think get a new manager now, let him start to build in the new window, the look on the players faces when they were taken off seemed to they they think he has lost the plot.

I didn't once hear Rafa's name being chant, although Nan can correct me incase it somehow slipped me.

The atmosphere seemed desperate like we were clinging to anything. And when the subs came on I heard a lot of abuse, in particular Babels way but he deserves it anyway.

The YNWA at the end was nice but it was almost like a resignation of defeat, not just for that game but generally..

Im probably reading too much into that anyway but who knows.
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Postby lakes10 » Sun Nov 01, 2009 11:07 am

bavlondon wrote:
lakes10 wrote:
bavlondon wrote:Him leaving now in either situation does nothing to help the club. Even Houllier stayed until he the end of the season and made sure we got into the top 4 in that last season.

you was at the game Bav, what are the other fans there saying?

i think get a new manager now, let him start to build in the new window, the look on the players faces when they were taken off seemed to they they think he has lost the plot.

I didn't once hear Rafa's name being chant, although Nan can correct me incase it somehow slipped me.

The atmosphere seemed desperate like we were clinging to anything. And when the subs came on I heard a lot of abuse, in particular Babels way but he deserves it anyway.

The YNWA at the end was nice but it was almost like a resignation of defeat, not just for that game but generally..

Im probably reading too much into that anyway but who knows.

that seems to sum up what i also picked up from the tv.

looking on other forums today this seem to be the only one that still backing the manager a lot, theres nothing wrong in that, in every game we play i will back him and the team, what we say on the fans forums is another thing, and when i talk to other teams fans i still back the manager......untill last night when i posted on mu facebook that we should look for another manager, but i did that in anger lol.


as i said right now theres not much talk of rafa going in the press room , its all about Hull.
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Postby tubby » Sun Nov 01, 2009 11:18 am

Why what happened to them? I didn't even see MOTD last night or any other footy news. Will have to go have a read now. :D
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Postby JohnBull » Sun Nov 01, 2009 11:20 am

Raffa is the problem and he will never be part of the solution.
The man has experienced success with us but more by luck than good judgement and it must be obvious to any supporter than he is just not equipped for the Premiership.
There were players picked yesterday who will never be part of a successful future. Is there really NO reserve player who could have filled the role Voronin etc were supposed to have played ? Is our future going to rely on buying superstars ?
Raffa has, once again, thrown the premiership towel in and we are only a third of the way into the season. If he were to leave this minute it would not make the slightest difference to our trophy tally this season. There would not be a mass exodus of the two players who are of true quality. It would not cost us any more than leaving this under-achiever in charge till the sad unaviodable end to this season.
He has had the time, he has had the money, he has had the support of the fans to a large extent. Last season he had the best possible chance to catch this whale and he fluffed it. He has continually failed to produce the goods.
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