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Sabre wrote:Carraguer showed experience all over the park I have to say. I remember for instance in half time how the Man Utd players surrounded the ref in a classical tactic of them. Carra appeared there the first one and shielded the ref while he deflected the mancs. Besides the football, Carra put that intensity and experience that cannot be measured in stats, but certainly are important in games like that.

I loved that moment, mate.  Giggs, Rooney and a few other Mancs were surrounding Marriner at the half-time whistle looking to have a whinge and put some ideas into his head for the 2nd half and in storms Carra, telling them to feck off, before turning to the ref and telling him what HE thinks needs sorting for the 2nd half.  Brilliant moment! 

Bad Bob wrote:

Sabre wrote:Carraguer showed experience all over the park I have to say. I remember for instance in half time how the Man Utd players surrounded the ref in a classical tactic of them. Carra appeared there the first one and shielded the ref while he deflected the mancs. Besides the football, Carra put that intensity and experience that cannot be measured in stats, but certainly are important in games like that.

I loved that moment, mate.  Giggs, Rooney and a few other Mancs were surrounding Marriner at the half-time whistle looking to have a whinge and put some ideas into his head for the 2nd half and in storms Carra, telling them to feck off, before turning to the ref and telling him what HE thinks needs sorting for the 2nd half.  Brilliant moment! 

bigmick wrote:

Bad Bob wrote:

Sabre wrote:Carraguer showed experience all over the park I have to say. I remember for instance in half time how the Man Utd players surrounded the ref in a classical tactic of them. Carra appeared there the first one and shielded the ref while he deflected the mancs. Besides the football, Carra put that intensity and experience that cannot be measured in stats, but certainly are important in games like that.

I loved that moment, mate.  Giggs, Rooney and a few other Mancs were surrounding Marriner at the half-time whistle looking to have a whinge and put some ideas into his head for the 2nd half and in storms Carra, telling them to feck off, before turning to the ref and telling him what HE thinks needs sorting for the 2nd half.  Brilliant moment! 

Such things, such moments can't be taught. Good spot by Sabre and bang on Bob, Carragher getting his protests in as well makes the ref think he must have called it somewhere near right if both teams are whinging. Leave the Mancs to swarm all over him unopposed, along with the inevitable Ferguson waiting for the ref on the touchline, and before you know where you are you get feck all in the second half.

To be perfectly honest, I thought for once Ferguson had a smidge of justication with his two main gripes re Carra, but feck him. For Carra's dive in on Carrick, at the other end we'd have been screaming for a penalty and at home we might have got it. I'm pretty sure they would have had they been at Old Trafford, even if Mike Riley wasn't the ref. Carra did get the merest scrape on the ball but it was a very dangerous challenge.

Equally, I thought he was lucky to stay on for his "tangle" with Owen. Once again he showed his experience, going to ground with the little c... in a swirl of arms and legs, even having to the gaul to appeal that he was the one who was fouled.

He was fantastic, and left some of his dodgy performances this season a mile behind.

I think the ref was right on both occassions mick (really trying my best to be unbiased like mate).

Ok the first one ,the tackle on carrick . Marriner the ref was right on top of it . He and us could clearly see carra get the ball first , you could here it anyway 

The second one on the judas . Marriner was entorely consistant with his treatment of carra and vidic . There only difference being that vidic already had a yellow card . Hardly carra's fault that vidic is s dirty tw@t is it 

kazza wrote:I chose Lucas due to his industry and commitment as I thought he was most influential in laying the foundations for what happened on the field. He tackled, carried the ball and made good passes. I thought all did their job well but especially Yossi (my close second for MOM) who was the creative spark that was going to win us the game but Lucas helped the balance and bossed the midfield. I agree that it was great to see Agger back and he was a calming influence at the back, but when you own the midfield it makes the defence look better.

Jamie did get the ball on his tackle on Carrick but if I was the manager I certainly would not want him charging in so fast as he was so committed that a craftier player would have just touched the ball before the tackle and won a penalty for sure. A little too much committment if you ask me as that could have changed the game. Jamie however has always been more about passion than guile, so since it was not a penalty, happy days.

Whenever I post a football post no one quotes me so I will quote myself.   

Also I wish to add that Jamie going to the ref at half time was real leadership. Utd players do that sh1t all the time and often do change the refs thinking. Jaimie anticipated it and was there to rebalance the argument. It needed to be done.

kazza wrote:

kazza wrote:I chose Lucas due to his industry and commitment as I thought he was most influential in laying the foundations for what happened on the field. He tackled, carried the ball and made good passes. I thought all did their job well but especially Yossi (my close second for MOM) who was the creative spark that was going to win us the game but Lucas helped the balance and bossed the midfield. I agree that it was great to see Agger back and he was a calming influence at the back, but when you own the midfield it makes the defence look better.

Jamie did get the ball on his tackle on Carrick but if I was the manager I certainly would not want him charging in so fast as he was so committed that a craftier player would have just touched the ball before the tackle and won a penalty for sure. A little too much committment if you ask me as that could have changed the game. Jamie however has always been more about passion than guile, so since it was not a penalty, happy days.

Whenever I post a football post no one quotes me so I will quote myself.   

Also I wish to add that Jamie going to the ref at half time was real leadership. Utd players do that sh1t all the time and often do change the refs thinking. Jaimie anticipated it and was there to rebalance the argument. It needed to be done.

babu wrote:

kazza wrote:

kazza wrote:I chose Lucas due to his industry and commitment as I thought he was most influential in laying the foundations for what happened on the field. He tackled, carried the ball and made good passes. I thought all did their job well but especially Yossi (my close second for MOM) who was the creative spark that was going to win us the game but Lucas helped the balance and bossed the midfield. I agree that it was great to see Agger back and he was a calming influence at the back, but when you own the midfield it makes the defence look better.

Jamie did get the ball on his tackle on Carrick but if I was the manager I certainly would not want him charging in so fast as he was so committed that a craftier player would have just touched the ball before the tackle and won a penalty for sure. A little too much committment if you ask me as that could have changed the game. Jamie however has always been more about passion than guile, so since it was not a penalty, happy days.

Whenever I post a football post no one quotes me so I will quote myself.   

Also I wish to add that Jamie going to the ref at half time was real leadership. Utd players do that sh1t all the time and often do change the refs thinking. Jaimie anticipated it and was there to rebalance the argument. It needed to be done.

what time is dinner?

Whenever you can get round to McDonalds and get it 

kazza wrote:

kazza wrote:I chose Lucas due to his industry and commitment as I thought he was most influential in laying the foundations for what happened on the field. He tackled, carried the ball and made good passes. I thought all did their job well but especially Yossi (my close second for MOM) who was the creative spark that was going to win us the game but Lucas helped the balance and bossed the midfield. I agree that it was great to see Agger back and he was a calming influence at the back, but when you own the midfield it makes the defence look better.

Jamie did get the ball on his tackle on Carrick but if I was the manager I certainly would not want him charging in so fast as he was so committed that a craftier player would have just touched the ball before the tackle and won a penalty for sure. A little too much committment if you ask me as that could have changed the game. Jamie however has always been more about passion than guile, so since it was not a penalty, happy days.

Whenever I post a football post no one quotes me so I will quote myself.   

Also I wish to add that Jamie going to the ref at half time was real leadership. Utd players do that sh1t all the time and often do change the refs thinking. Jaimie anticipated it and was there to rebalance the argument. It needed to be done.

I'll quote you then.

What do you want me to say, that I agree or disagree with your Man of the match?

kazza wrote:

kazza wrote:I chose Lucas due to his industry and commitment as I thought he was most influential in laying the foundations for what happened on the field. He tackled, carried the ball and made good passes. I thought all did their job well but especially Yossi (my close second for MOM) who was the creative spark that was going to win us the game but Lucas helped the balance and bossed the midfield. I agree that it was great to see Agger back and he was a calming influence at the back, but when you own the midfield it makes the defence look better.

Jamie did get the ball on his tackle on Carrick but if I was the manager I certainly would not want him charging in so fast as he was so committed that a craftier player would have just touched the ball before the tackle and won a penalty for sure. A little too much committment if you ask me as that could have changed the game. Jamie however has always been more about passion than guile, so since it was not a penalty, happy days.

Whenever I post a football post no one quotes me so I will quote myself.   

Also I wish to add that Jamie going to the ref at half time was real leadership. Utd players do that sh1t all the time and often do change the refs thinking. Jaimie anticipated it and was there to rebalance the argument. It needed to be done.

In all honesty Kazza I think a few people are put off quoting you because of the "stalker" image you seem to have acquired.

My advice would be drop the argument and just ignore people that you can't get along with. (I know I am not exactly the best one at avoiding arguments mate  )

When you do talk about football you usually make a lot of sense, and I am sure you will start getting a lot more replies.

Alternatively just call someone a kunt ...... that works too 

s@int wrote:Alternatively just call someone a kunt ...... that works too 

I noticed 

Welcome back!

Bad Bob wrote:To be honest, I'd rate Lucas higher were it not for that glaring miss from 6 yards out.  Harsh perhaps to dwell on one moment but those are the chances that you need to at least get on target against the Mancs.  Aurelio had a similar golden opportunity with his header but he failed to get it across the keeper.  Still he worked VDS.  Another slight disappointing moment for Lucas was the pass to Kuyt on the 3 on 2.  It was the right pass to make (as opposed to the ball to Torres) but he didn't lead Kuyt enough with the pass and Dirk had to check his run before getting off a tame shot/cross.  A better ball there and we've got a glorious scoring opportunity.  So, two moments where I thought Lucas could have done better to capitalize on gaps in the Manc defense.  As I say, you can't afford too many of those to go begging in this fixture.  With all that said, we got there comfortably in the end and he was otherwise excellent.   Not MOTM excellent, IMO, but excellent nonetheless.