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by **tubby** » Tue Oct 13, 2009 11:21 pm

Still it's great to see that passion from a manager. I wish sometimes Rafa was a bit more open with his emotions on the pitch. Not sliding on the floor or anything like that but...

by **Sabre** » Tue Oct 13, 2009 11:22 pm

NANNY RED wrote:Diegos celebration Mustnt halve have hurt his fat belly

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9YS2R7uDQuU

Fúcking love the commentator, they use different footie words, and they have passion commenting.

It's clearly a Mascherano fan, he acknowledges the Mascherano mistake but right after he says "who can blame him, with this weather".

by **NANNY RED** » Tue Oct 13, 2009 11:39 pm

bavlondon wrote:Still it's great to see that passion from a manager. I wish sometimes Rafa was a bit more open with his emotions on the pitch. Not sliding on the floor or anything like that but...

Bav id love Rafa to do that against the Mancs :laugh:

ha take that yeh drunken tw.at as he slides down the touch line :laugh:

by **heimdall** » Wed Oct 14, 2009 12:38 am

NANNY RED wrote:
bavlondon wrote:Still it's great to see that passion from a manager. I wish sometimes Rafa was a bit more open with his emotions on the pitch. Not sliding on the floor or anything like that but...

Bav id love Rafa to do that against the Mancs ha take that yeh drunken tw.at as he slides down the touch line

That might even make me like Rafa again

by **devaney** » Wed Oct 14, 2009 4:55 pm

I appear not to be the only one that is unhappy with Mascha: http://www.liverpool-kop.com/2009....ed.html

Mascha is nothing more than a spoiler which I admit he does very well but after that you get very little. I still maintain that if another club are prepared to pay £30m then we should take the money and buy a far more rounded defensive midfielder that also has the ability to attack and score more than 1 fkg goal in 100 matches. Ffs that is awful. Similar record to Carra in his last 100!

by **devaney** » Wed Oct 14, 2009 5:05 pm

Ben Patrick wrote:
devaney wrote:
woof woof ! wrote:
baldricks_cunning_plan wrote:Hasn't been anywhere near his best this season, has been walking round with a face on him because he couldn't move to Barcelona and has showed a lack of respect to the club, fans, team mates and manager with this attitude.

Though 23 million is nowhere near enough for him and hopefully we won't be forced into selling him come the window.

He's been "unhappy" for some time now and it does seem to be reflected in his game.

No point hanging onto a player that doesn't want to be here. However given our midfield situation the best solution for all concerned is maybe agree a sale asap but with the move to take place in the summer.

Agree the £23 mill is far short of what we could get for him.

Why the crazy valuation for Mascha if Alonso went for £30m? Sorry I don't get it. Mascha is a great spoiler and half the time he isn't really needed against poorer opposition. Creates absolutely nothing, never scores and just occasionally completely fks up and the likes of Chelsea score!

What he gave the ball away in their half ye mean ?
Terrible that isnt it ?

Stop bein a plank.

I couldn't give a flying fk where he was when he gave away the ball. His inept dithering cost us the game - FACT!

Just read the following link if you think I am on my own http://www.liverpool-kop.com/2009....ed.html

by **tubby** » Wed Oct 14, 2009 5:08 pm

devaney wrote:I appear not to be the only one that is unhappy with Mascha: http://www.liverpool-kop.com/2009....ed.html

Mascha is nothing more than a spoiler which I admit he does very well but after that you get very little. I still maintain that if another club are prepared to pay £30m then we should take the money and buy a far more rounded defensive midfielder that also has the ability to attack and score more than 1 fkg goal in 100 matches. Ffs that is awful. Similar record to Carra in his last 100!

A lot of valid points there. I made up my mind on him back at the start of the season. He tried to get away this summer after last year saying Rafa was like his dad. If anyone will pay that sort of money we should look to offload asap.

On a side note I read a rumor (Star I think it was) that Barca will use Toure as bait to get Robinho from City. If Barca are prepared to let Toure go we should try to do a swap deal for Masch.

by **NANNY RED** » Wed Oct 14, 2009 6:11 pm

devaney wrote:I appear not to be the only one that is unhappy with Mascha: http://www.liverpool-kop.com/2009....ed.html

Mascha is nothing more than a spoiler which I admit he does very well but after that you get very little. I still maintain that if another club are prepared to pay £30m then we should take the money and buy a far more rounded defensive midfielder that also has the ability to attack and score more than 1 fkg goal in 100 matches. Ffs that is awful. Similar record to Carra in his last 100!

Devaney that Site is run by the biggest tool you could imagine, Ive never in my life heard such bile spewed out of a Liverpool fans mouth, Every topic is against the grain, Hes a manc, that Kanwar , or reversre his name W.ankar,

by **devaney** » Wed Oct 14, 2009 7:20 pm

NANNY RED wrote:
devaney wrote:I appear not to be the only one that is unhappy with Mascha: http://www.liverpool-kop.com/2009....ed.html

Mascha is nothing more than a spoiler which I admit he does very well but after that you get very little. I still maintain that if another club are prepared to pay £30m then we should take the money and buy a far more rounded defensive midfielder that also has the ability to attack and score more than 1 fkg goal in 100 matches. Ffs that is awful. Similar record to Carra in his last 100!

Devaney that Site is run by the biggest tool you could imagine, Ive never in my life heard such bile spewed out of a Liverpool fans mouth, Every topic is against the grain, Hes a manc, that Kanwar , or reversre his name W.ankar,

Nanny mate you might not like the :censored:

but that doesn't really matter as it his stats that I am interested in and just because they don't make good reading doesn't mean their wrong!

I hate to criticise any of the players but to be honest Mascha is getting on my nerves. Never once did he show one ounce of loyalty to LFC during the summer when Barca were courting him. Both him and his agent are only interested in getting as much money as possible and I don't think they could give a dam about anything else. SOUNDS LIKE ANOTHER COUPLE OF BLOKES THAT YOU HAVN'T GOT A LOT OF TIME FOR!

by **NANNY RED** » Wed Oct 14, 2009 7:41 pm

devaney wrote:
NANNY RED wrote:
devaney wrote:I appear not to be the only one that is unhappy with Mascha: http://www.liverpool-kop.com/2009....ed.html

Mascha is nothing more than a spoiler which I admit he does very well but after that you get very little. I still maintain that if another club are prepared to pay £30m then we should take the money and buy a far more rounded defensive midfielder that also has the ability to attack and score more than 1 fkg goal in 100 matches. Ffs that is awful. Similar record to Carra in his last 100!

Devaney that Site is run by the biggest tool you could imagine, Ive never in my life heard such bile spewed out of a Liverpool fans mouth, Every topic is against the grain, Hes a manc, that Kanwar , or reversre his name W.ankar,

Nanny mate you might not like the but that doesn't really matter as it his stats that I am interested in and just because they don't make good reading doesn't mean their wrong!

I hate to criticise any of the players but to be honest Mascha is getting on my nerves. Never once did he show one ounce of loyalty to LFC during the summer when Barca were courting him. Both him and his agent are only interested in getting as much money as possible and I don't think they could give a dam about anything else. SOUNDS LIKE ANOTHER COUPLE OF BLOKES THAT YOU HAVN'T GOT A LOT OF TIME FOR!

Ive got time for loads lol, but honestly mate read that site , its a disgrace,

On Javier though as Sabre has said previous, lets see how he performs once an if the Argies qualify, Me personally i think the lads under to much pressure at the mo an its affecting his game, As far as the Barca thing goes we only know what his agent has said, An yes i agree with you if he does wanna go the feck him, Big loss an one we really cant afford to loose but if he doesnt wanna play then its bye bye Javier, But as i said im gonna see if his game changes when the Argies qualify,

by **baldricks_cunning_plan** » Wed Oct 14, 2009 9:26 pm

I've only just picked up on this but who the hell is Javier Masherano? Isn't there a "c" in his name? Usually between the s and h.

by **Ben Patrick** » Wed Oct 14, 2009 10:12 pm

devaney wrote:
Ben Patrick wrote:
devaney wrote:
woof woof ! wrote:
baldricks_cunning_plan wrote:Hasn't been anywhere near his best this season, has been walking round with a face on him because he couldn't move to Barcelona and has showed a lack of respect to the club, fans, team mates and manager with this attitude.

Though 23 million is nowhere near enough for him and hopefully we won't be forced into selling him come the window.

He's been "unhappy" for some time now and it does seem to be reflected in his game.

No point hanging onto a player that doesn't want to be here. However given our midfield situation the best solution for all concerned is maybe agree a sale asap but with the move to take place in the summer.

Agree the £23 mill is far short of what we could get for him.

Why the crazy valuation for Mascha if Alonso went for £30m? Sorry I don't get it. Mascha is a great spoiler and half the time he isn't really needed against poorer opposition. Creates absolutely nothing, never scores and just occasionally completely fks up and the likes of Chelsea score!

What he gave the ball away in their half ye mean ?
Terrible that isnt it ?

Stop bein a plank.

I couldn't give a flying fk where he was when he gave away the ball. His inept dithering cost us the game - FACT!

Just read the following link if you think I am on my own http://www.liverpool-kop.com/2009....ed.html

He was our best player in the first half.

He gave the ball away in there half when he had no passes on. Admittedly the run he tried wasnt a good one but there was still loads that contributed to the goal.
To suggest it was his fault is just pathetic.

Not interested in reading peoples opinions on another forum, i log in here and post here thanks.

Masher is a top player and not on the pitch to score goals, he will come good this season i am sure of that.
What nobody knows for sure is if he does want the move - the actual reason.
If it is because his wife cant settle and is not even in the country with his kid/kids, then i dont think he is the worst person in the world. Anyone would be the same in his situation.

by **Sabre** » Wed Oct 14, 2009 10:37 pm

I agree Ben Patrick.

Sometimes, not only in this case, but in the past, we see something obvious as the team struggling in some aspects of the game. And in those situations we tend to find culprits in specific players. And we start looking at them players and paying even more attention to the player's mistakes. When this happens, you can even see a player doing a good game and being harshly criticised for 2 or 3 astray balls, that would have been overlooked in the past.

What I'm saying is that some problems of the team have a context. If your CB line doesn't work, your Mascherano or any holding midfielder won't play the same. The position Mascherano occupies, the risks he takes, the decissions he makes have a lot to do with his context. Not that we don't have problems, we do, but I never liked to find inmediate scapegoats to explain a collective game.

by **Ben Patrick** » Wed Oct 14, 2009 11:09 pm

Sabre wrote:I agree Ben Patrick.

Sometimes, not only in this case, but in the past, we see something obvious as the team struggling in some aspects of the game. And in those situations we tend to find culprits in specific players. And we start looking at them players and paying even more attention to the player's mistakes. When this happens, you can even see a player doing a good game and being harshly criticised for 2 or 3 astray balls, that would have been overlooked in the past.

What I'm saying is that some problems of the team have a context. If your CB line doesn't work, your Mascherano or any holding midfielder won't play the same. The position Mascherano occupies, the risks he takes, the decissions he makes have a lot to do with his context. Not that we don't have problems, we do, but I never liked to find inmediate scapegoats to explain a collective game.

I thought he had a decent game.

First half especially.

When we went a goal down and needed more attackin impetus he doesnt offer enough but thats not his forte.

He will come good and prove he is a class player again.

by **bigmick** » Wed Oct 14, 2009 11:48 pm

This tripe about the goal being Masherano's fault has been around for a while now. What next, your corner gets headed out and they breakaway and score so you blame the corner kicker? It's b0ll0cks. He hasn't played well so far this season and nobody knows for sure whether or not he will, but that goal is nowhere near his fault. Does it work the other way around when you win a tackle in your own half and pass it to someone who passes it someone who passes it someone who scores that you get all the credit? Does it feck and nor should it.

Feck me it was hard enough getting people to recognise that his was a significant if not the major contribution to Babels winner at Home agains the Mancs last season, when the goal came as a direct result of him stealing the ball off of Giggs inside their six yard box. Suddenly Lampard tackles him sixty yards from our goal and the goal is his fault? Not for me, not in a million years.

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