This gets on my nerves - Baros is a realy good player

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Postby jim_morrison_supported_liverpool » Wed Sep 15, 2004 1:22 pm

this baros talk bugs me to death. this lad has scored some good golas for us, and quite a feq too, even though he's never had a run in the team.

can anyone supply the facts about what baros' record is.

goals/games, and we need to distinguish between starts and sub appearances.   this lad will only get better, even though he's very raw, he always manages to get the most out of situations. he'll get you corners where others may have lost it or settled for the goal kick, and he unsettles defenders. not to mention the fact that he scores.

people should remember that he also is like a new player and needs time, due to his on/off career with us up to now, dictated by injury or Heskey-availability
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Postby taff » Wed Sep 15, 2004 1:25 pm

We have two strikers with great potential which may be our achiles heel or could be a blessing in disguise.

I would prefer to get a proven goal scorer in January but do agree that Baros as much as he needs to improve does need a regular first team slot
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Postby stmichael » Wed Sep 15, 2004 1:28 pm

jim_morrison_supported_liverpool wrote:can anyone supply the facts about what baros' record is.

baros has played 67 games and score 15 goals. i would say that probably over half of those appearances have been as a sub.

also, nobody on this forum is "slagging off" baros. they are just merely stating that he needs to improve his all round game if he is to become a top class striker. to me, his link up play and awareness of others around him is poor.
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Postby Ciggy » Wed Sep 15, 2004 1:32 pm

He aint that new for us hes not going to score in situations when hes kickin balls at defenders legs and losing it then starts to pull faces ???  He cant play along side cisse either like he couldnt with owen, look at garcia 2 games 2 goals one dissaloud, im not convinced over baros and he wont want to sit on no bench winning the golden boot either, I think we should sell him come January hes not cut out for prem.
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Postby jim_morrison_supported_liverpool » Wed Sep 15, 2004 1:34 pm

st mike that last post proved my point
its not the chilli sauce on kebabs that give you ring-sting, its the actual meat. had one without chilli, and still had ring-sting. the chilli's only there to mask the nonsense they stuff inside that bread.
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Postby Ciggy » Wed Sep 15, 2004 1:40 pm

Jim mate not being disrepectful to u either ofcourse we'd all love the euro2004 top scorer to be banging them in for our team but I cant see it happening im afraid hes a great player but as stmike pointed out his awareness is poor. Maybe raffa can turn him round but hes said we are a team an he doesnt favour stars which baros became in the euros.
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Postby 106-1093504160 » Wed Sep 15, 2004 2:07 pm

he needs to be more aware
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Postby jim_morrison_supported_liverpool » Wed Sep 15, 2004 2:35 pm

cisses_gona_get_ya wrote:Jim mate not being disrepectful to u either ofcourse we'd all love the euro2004 top scorer to be banging them in for our team but I cant see it happening im afraid hes a great player but as stmike pointed out his awareness is poor. Maybe raffa can turn him round but hes said we are a team an he doesnt favour stars which baros became in the euros.

i can also see yours, but to pick up on a few of his bad points i think is unfair. players like alan shearer, you know, a solid centre forward, he has always lacked in things like link-up play,skill etc, but it never stopped him.
we all know baros is a bit of a headless chicken sometimes but he has so many other attributes that make up for it.
i dont rate him cos of euro 2004. i rated him before that, and was always fumin when heskey got played instead.
it looks to me like his stardom in that tournament has actually gone against him.people areexpecting this fine-tuned world class striker to start bangin shi*loads of goals in from the off.
he, like the rest, needs games.
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Postby dawson99 » Wed Sep 15, 2004 2:40 pm

Baros will get his chance, its early days yet, theres alot of cups for us to be in so theres no need for rallying cries and arguaments as yet. lets just see what happens
baros is a class player, weve seen this, and we'll it see it for our team this season im sure
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Postby 115-1073096938 » Wed Sep 15, 2004 2:50 pm

i can also see yours, but to pick up on a few of his bad points i think is unfair. players like alan shearer, you know, a solid centre forward, he has always lacked in things like link-up play,skill etc, but it never stopped him.
we all know baros is a bit of a headless chicken sometimes but he has so many other attributes that make up for it.
i dont rate him cos of euro 2004. i rated him before that, and was always fumin when heskey got played instead.
it looks to me like his stardom in that tournament has actually gone against him.people areexpecting this fine-tuned world class striker to start bangin shi*loads of goals in from the off.
he, like the rest, needs games.


Shearer doesn't lack link up play at all. His link up play and ability to hold the ball up at the right times are excellent. He has always been fairly skillfull aswell. But Shearer used to be world class. He was one of the best in the world a few years ago which is something Baros will never be.

Baros has always been a good player. Nothing he done in the Euro's suprised me in the slightest. I didn't see anything there that i didn't see for Liverpool. He was full of running, pacey, shown some good finishes, he was direct and liked to carry the ball and had decent physical pressence. He was also determined as ever and chased alot of lost causes. If you look at his goals against Denmark for example though... they were down to poor goalkeeping on both occasions. The first, Sorensen didn't read the pass and stayed inside his 6 yard box and the second he went to ground to early, he wouldn't have beaten 60% of the keepers in the premier league with that shot and the one against Holland was down to a defensive mix up, Yes you can only beat whats infront of you, i totally agree with that, but my point is these things don't happen every game and against the best sides in the country Baros is pretty ineffective.

His link up play, awareness, ability to pass the correct ball and a good ball aswell as his positional play in a defensive sense need masses of work. As does the timing of his runs, the effectiveness of his runs and his confidence in other people.

He has some superb attributes which are more than useful, no-one here denies this, he can take a chance, has pace, direct, powerful and aggressive. But he also has some division 2 standard attributes which need masses of work and commitment to improve. He isn't first team material and is nowhere near good enough to replace Owen. As a third choice striker i would be made up with him. The reality is though he's not good enough at a club like ours to command a regular first team place.

He is a superb player to bring off the bench as he holds onto the ball and and uses pace against tired defenders and he's full of energy.

However i think you're kidding yourself if you think he's first team material.

Garcia and Cisse are far better players, as was Owen.
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Postby jim_morrison_supported_liverpool » Wed Sep 15, 2004 3:31 pm

stu_the_red wrote:Shearer doesn't lack link up play at all. His link up play and ability to hold the ball up at the right times are excellent. He has always been fairly skillfull aswell. But Shearer used to be world class. He was one of the best in the world a few years ago which is something Baros will never be.

The first, Sorensen didn't read the pass and stayed inside his 6 yard box and the second he went to ground to early, he wouldn't have beaten 60% of the keepers in the premier league with that shot and the one against Holland was down to a defensive mix up, Yes you can only beat whats infront of you, i totally agree with that, but my point is these things don't happen every game and against the best sides in the country Baros is pretty ineffective.



However i think you're kidding yourself if you think he's first team material.

Garcia and Cisse are far better players, as was Owen.

stu thats a pretty typical post from you, meaning, you talk alot of sense there, but also a lot of bullsh*t too.

i wasnt comparing him to shearer for a start. i was making a comparison to the fact that you dont need every attribute to be a good/great striker. as my mate says "Shearer is the best ever Sunday League striker."   he's old fashioned, regardless of what you say he is not skillful, these days he's not fast. he's just a great forward.

the other thing is, regardless of what the f***** keeper or the defence was up to for them goals, they were still great strikes, no matter how you look at them. i cant believe you'd want to discredit his goal against holland as a defensive mix-up. that was a class strike.

at the moment his record (discounting sub appearances) is roughly 1 in 2 games. same as your mate Owen.whether that will be the same after 300+ games we dont know. but for someone WHO HAS NOT HAD REGULAR FOOTBALL FOR LIVERPOOL SINCE HE SIGNED, the judgements are a bit premature.

also, how can you even talk about cisse bein better when he has showed hardly anything yet.me, you, or anyone else has only seen glimpses. i believe too that he will come good, but to place him above Baros on pure imagination (i take it you didnt watch the auxerre games last season, just like everyone else) just shows some people have got it in for Baros.

Garcia is a completely different player.
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Postby Redrider » Wed Sep 15, 2004 6:13 pm

Baros is destined to be a 'nearly' player. He is very useful in a supporting role, coming on as a sub' to change the pattern of attacking play or to take advantage of the tired leg's of opposition defenders.
However, in the situation where we are today, where the Red's need a main striker, I doubt that Baros has enough amunition to rise to the role.
My guess is that Rafa will be eyeing up a new man as we speak, ready to sign come January and sadly Baros will make himself unpopular by demanding a lead role, based on his 'Golden Boot'. What we will then see is the traditional revolving door of new man on the way in, with Baros sadly on the way out. :blues:
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Postby Redrider » Wed Sep 15, 2004 6:20 pm

Just noticed this in the post re, Valencia :
''Mista - from what i have heard and seen and the fact that he has worked under RB before (as they both have) could act as our 1st striker with cisse no 2 - which i think would do cisse some good as it takes pressure off him to fill in Owens shoes.
I would use Baros as bait or sell him for maybe £10m if we could get it - leaving us with cash to buy another forward, who - i dont know
What i do know is that Baros is a much better player for his country then his club and we need to sell him now when it is still fresh in other managers minds that of him being top scorer in the Euro 2004 ''

Looks as though Mista, could be a prospect to 'lead the line'. I would also support the view that Cisse would be a more likely strike partner.

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Postby EURO CHAMPS BY 2005 » Wed Sep 15, 2004 6:34 pm

Some of the cr.ap that stu fella comes out with is sheer class.I'm not saying Baros is the answer as lead front man but to come out with " he has 2nd division attributes" ...wotta a di.ckhead u r stu.

3 of his goals in euro 2004 were defending mistakes...you kn.ob..half of any forwards goals are scored because of some sort of defending error..lack of concentration,slip,dropped ball,caught wrong foot.. etc.

Even the ball.bag hustler talks more sense most of the time, than stu the meathead

Owen has a cr.ap record against the top teams ..he use to rack his goals up against the shi.te..of course he would occassionally score against your Arsenals but look at the records and see..don't give hatrick against Germany..friggin Heskey popped 1 in against them..just look at the whole picture yer bleedin' ar.se wipe,stu the know,nothin.
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Postby 115-1073096938 » Wed Sep 15, 2004 7:36 pm

Some of the cr.ap that stu fella comes out with is sheer class.I'm not saying Baros is the answer as lead front man but to come out with " he has 2nd division attributes" ...wotta a di.ckhead u r stu.

3 of his goals in euro 2004 were defending mistakes...you kn.ob..half of any forwards goals are scored because of some sort of defending error..lack of concentration,slip,dropped ball,caught wrong foot.. etc.

Even the ball.bag hustler talks more sense most of the time, than stu the meathead

Owen has a cr.ap record against the top teams ..he use to rack his goals up against the shi.te..of course he would occassionally score against your Arsenals but look at the records and see..don't give hatrick against Germany..friggin Heskey popped 1 in against them..just look at the whole picture yer bleedin' ar.se wipe,stu the know,nothin.


Hahaha, yer havin there Huslter. Split personallity aswell? Ah well, at least you realised you're an arsewipe!! :D
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