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by **heimdall** » Tue Sep 08, 2009 8:14 pm

stmichael wrote:
redmikey wrote:jay spearing anybody? surely he has earned a chance at the spot lucas is filling at the moment, for me he is more creative on the ball stronger in the middle but unproven at the top level if you don't count a good display at champs league level

whether you rate lucas or not, to say that spearing is better than him is complete nonsense

How would you know? I personally have not seen enough of him to have a solid judgement but I'd love to see him given a go.

by **GYBS** » Tue Sep 08, 2009 8:17 pm

heimdall wrote:
stmichael wrote:
redmikey wrote:jay spearing anybody? surely he has earned a chance at the spot lucas is filling at the moment, for me he is more creative on the ball stronger in the middle but unproven at the top level if you don't count a good display at champs league level

whether you rate lucas or not, to say that spearing is better than him is complete nonsense

How would you know? I personally have not seen enough of him to have a solid judgement but I'd love to see him given a go.

Because spearing doesnt even stand out in reserves games against players of a lot less standard than you see in the prem week in week out .

by **Effes** » Tue Oct 06, 2009 10:54 pm

Just thought I'd bump this as there was divided opinion as to whether many paople believed we should
put Gerrard back in the middle.

by **bigmick** » Wed Oct 07, 2009 11:00 am

This wasn't the actual thread I was on about in counter to the point that I was talking "with the benefit of hindsight" regarding Gerrard playing in midfield for a while, but I do say a couple of times here as well that the Lucas/Masherano thing isn't going to work even in the short to medium term.

by **Effes** » Wed Oct 07, 2009 11:29 am

I wasn't bumping the thread to back up anything you were saying Mick - it was to show
that only 20% of people on here thought we should stick with the formation of Masch/Lucas
in the middle and Gerrard behind Torres.

by **Owzat** » Wed Oct 07, 2009 1:15 pm

Unusually I think I went with the most popular option, before it was popular I might add. Our current formation worked when it had Alonso in it, I think we should have adapted.

Of course it boils down to this, do you fit the players to the formation or the formation to the (best) players? I guess the poll points towards the latter

by **account deleted by request** » Wed Oct 07, 2009 1:30 pm

I went with the Masch, Gerrard midfield combo at the time. Not because I thought Lucas was cr@p but because I think you need a balance that the Lucas Masch combo wouldn't give us in most games.

If we were playing a deep defensive line and hitting teams on the break (like last season against the mancs) the Lucas Masch partnership can work. They are both hardworking players that are excellent at putting in a lot of tackles and challenges. Where they are not so good is in playing the ball forwards (a similar criticism to the one I had about Alonso prior to last season BTW.) While we are playing a more expansive attacking game we need players that can link attack with defense better and until Aquaman is fit Gerrard is our only real option for this role.

by **Owzat** » Wed Oct 07, 2009 1:35 pm

You also have to factor in the lack of an obvious partner for Torres. Sure Kuyt can play up front with him, but then you take him off the right where he was so effective last season. If Rafa wants to make our current preferred formation work then he probably has to drop Gerrard into the Alonso role for the interim, play Riera on the left and Benayoun in the Gerrard role. My concern with that kind of move is that it could reduce Gerrard's effectiveness, but I think it might have worked better than trying to replace Alonso with Lucas, at least in most games.

by **Effes** » Wed Oct 07, 2009 8:31 pm

Torres Kuyt

Riera Gerrard Masch Benayoun

It aint rocket science.

by **Greavesie** » Wed Oct 07, 2009 8:34 pm

Effes wrote:Torres Kuyt

Riera Gerrard Masch Benayoun

It aint rocket science.

Aqua man's back soon mate

and out again

by **Dazzer** » Thu Oct 08, 2009 6:35 am

Owzat wrote:You also have to factor in the lack of an obvious partner for Torres. Sure Kuyt can play up front with him, but then you take him off the right where he was so effective last season. If Rafa wants to make our current preferred formation work then he probably has to drop Gerrard into the Alonso role for the interim, play Riera on the left and Benayoun in the Gerrard role. My concern with that kind of move is that it could reduce Gerrard's effectiveness, but I think it might have worked better than trying to replace Alonso with Lucas, at least in most games.

Didn't we score most of our goals this season when gerrard played in the Xabi role ?

I think he did so why not keep him there.Just because he ain't scoring them don't seem much of problem for me.

I like to go this shape.

Johnson carra agger/skrtel Insusa

Masch

Gerrard
Babel Benny Riera
Torres <<<<<away or top 4

Or

Johnson carra agger/skrtel Insusa

Gerrard
Babel Riera
Benny

Kuyt
Torres <<<< home attacking

Also I like idea of attacking 4-3-3 at home as well.

Johnson carra agger/skrtel Insusa

Masch

Gerrard Benny

Babel Torres Kuyt <<<front 3 stay high up pitch all times even corners.

by **Owzat** » Thu Oct 08, 2009 1:25 pm

We scored 14 of our 24 goals against Stoke, Burnley and Hull so I wouldn't conclude much from scoring in those games. From the other eight games we scored 10 goals so again how could you conclude anything from the role played by any player in those games either?!?!

Gerrard has only scored three goals this season, he has been booked as many times. One of those goals was from the spot against spudz, he could have a quiet season on the scoring front.

by **Dazzer** » Thu Oct 08, 2009 3:34 pm

Owzat wrote:We scored 14 of our 24 goals against Stoke, Burnley and Hull so I wouldn't conclude much from scoring in those games. From the other eight games we scored 10 goals so again how could you conclude anything from the role played by any player in those games either?!?!

Gerrard has only scored three goals this season, he has been booked as many times. One of those goals was from the spot against spudz, he could have a quiet season on the scoring front.

Well sorry if we scored more with Gerrard playing deeper not my fault that is a stat but a true one and it don't matter who you vs with no Alonso it pays to have a player like gerrard who can ping it around fast from the back.

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