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Emerald Red wrote:

GYBS wrote:

s@int wrote:

GYBS wrote:

s@int wrote:

Emerald Red wrote:I think it had more to do with mentality than buys. Bellamy isn't a sh*t player. Neither is Pennant. Both have quality and both have abillity. It's their mentality that's lacking. Unfortunately Rafa made that mistake. Regardless, I don't really believe that's what dented our progress.

The simple truth is we went from 82 points down to 68 points the following season. I am sure Houllier still says that Diouf and Cheyrou were good players and that they just lacked the mentality (Notice how I sidestepped Diao    )

The season we got 82 points we t knocked out of the CL in first round of the knockout so the squad wasnt stretched.

The next season we were doing well in the league and also reached the final of the CL but during the last 8 games of that season Rafa rested and prioritized the CL so dropped a fair number of points by playing the back up team while we went for CL glory .



Down - Yes .

Out - Never .

We actually played ok yesterday and no way to chelsea out play us - we had the chances to score - torres two , gerrard, yossi but didnt take them and that was the difference between the two teams - if we had taken our chances we would of won the game - so we didnt loose becuase of poor tactics or poor subs blah blah blah its was because the players out there didnt take their chances.

And off course there was the normal individual error which cost us a game .

Was rafa to blame for the error and the players not taking their chances ?

2006/7 after 30 games we were 21 points behind the leaders. After 38 games we finished......... 21 points behind the leaders. I am afraid that your argument doesn't hold up. 

And how many points in total did we collect during those games ? i remember defeats to teams like fulham etc coming in the last couple of games when we played youngsters and back ups while the main players were rested for the CL -

look at the facts -

Best two seasons in the prem - worst results in the CL

Best seasons in the CL - worst points in the prem.

I don't know about that. Last season we didn't do too bad in the CL and the league.

s@int wrote:

GYBS wrote:

s@int wrote:

GYBS wrote:

s@int wrote:

Emerald Red wrote:I think it had more to do with mentality than buys. Bellamy isn't a sh*t player. Neither is Pennant. Both have quality and both have abillity. It's their mentality that's lacking. Unfortunately Rafa made that mistake. Regardless, I don't really believe that's what dented our progress.

The simple truth is we went from 82 points down to 68 points the following season. I am sure Houllier still says that Diouf and Cheyrou were good players and that they just lacked the mentality (Notice how I sidestepped Diao    )

The season we got 82 points we t knocked out of the CL in first round of the knockout so the squad wasnt stretched.

The next season we were doing well in the league and also reached the final of the CL but during the last 8 games of that season Rafa rested and prioritized the CL so dropped a fair number of points by playing the back up team while we went for CL glory .



Down - Yes .

Out - Never .

We actually played ok yesterday and no way to chelsea out play us - we had the chances to score - torres two , gerrard, yossi but didnt take them and that was the difference between the two teams - if we had taken our chances we would of won the game - so we didnt loose becuase of poor tactics or poor subs blah blah blah its was because the players out there didnt take their chances.

And off course there was the normal individual error which cost us a game .

Was rafa to blame for the error and the players not taking their chances ?

2006/7 after 30 games we were 21 points behind the leaders. After 38 games we finished......... 21 points behind the leaders. I am afraid that your argument doesn't hold up. 

And how many points in total did we collect during those games ? i remember defeats to teams like fulham etc coming in the last couple of games when we played youngsters and back ups while the main players were rested for the CL -

look at the facts -

Best two seasons in the prem - worst results in the CL

Best seasons in the CL - worst points in the prem.

The facts speak for themselves. We were well out of the league 21 points behind with 8 games to go, and did well to maintain that difference to the end of the season....... FACT.

And we collected 14 points in those last 8 games ...... only one less than we have in the FIRST 8 this season!

GYBS wrote:

s@int wrote:

GYBS wrote:

s@int wrote:

GYBS wrote:

s@int wrote:

Emerald Red wrote:I think it had more to do with mentality than buys. Bellamy isn't a sh*t player. Neither is Pennant. Both have quality and both have abillity. It's their mentality that's lacking. Unfortunately Rafa made that mistake. Regardless, I don't really believe that's what dented our progress.

The simple truth is we went from 82 points down to 68 points the following season. I am sure Houllier still says that Diouf and Cheyrou were good players and that they just lacked the mentality (Notice how I sidestepped Diao    )

The season we got 82 points we t knocked out of the CL in first round of the knockout so the squad wasnt stretched.

The next season we were doing well in the league and also reached the final of the CL but during the last 8 games of that season Rafa rested and prioritized the CL so dropped a fair number of points by playing the back up team while we went for CL glory .



Down - Yes .

Out - Never .

We actually played ok yesterday and no way to chelsea out play us - we had the chances to score - torres two , gerrard, yossi but didnt take them and that was the difference between the two teams - if we had taken our chances we would of won the game - so we didnt loose becuase of poor tactics or poor subs blah blah blah its was because the players out there didnt take their chances.

And off course there was the normal individual error which cost us a game .

Was rafa to blame for the error and the players not taking their chances ?

2006/7 after 30 games we were 21 points behind the leaders. After 38 games we finished......... 21 points behind the leaders. I am afraid that your argument doesn't hold up. 

And how many points in total did we collect during those games ? i remember defeats to teams like fulham etc coming in the last couple of games when we played youngsters and back ups while the main players were rested for the CL -

look at the facts -

Best two seasons in the prem - worst results in the CL

Best seasons in the CL - worst points in the prem.

The facts speak for themselves. We were well out of the league 21 points behind with 8 games to go, and did well to maintain that difference to the end of the season....... FACT.

And we collected 14 points in those last 8 games ...... only one less than we have in the FIRST 8 this season!

And the season before we were well out of the league no matter how well we finished - FACT .

Yes but MY facts WERE RIGHT...... YOUR facts were WRONG 

Effes wrote:I thought you had GYBS on ignore s@int?

He will be again if he carries on

Nah mate , it was never about football, it was a personal matter that has been sorted now.

s@int wrote:

The next season we were doing well in the league

Wrong we were 21 points behind!

during the last 8 games of that season Rafa rested and prioritized the CL so dropped a fair number of points by playing the back up team while we went for CL glory

Wrong we lost no more points in that spell than we had been losing in previous games. e.g after 22 games we had 40 points after 30 games we had 54 points = 14 points same as we gained in our last 8!

s@int wrote:

Effes wrote:I thought you had GYBS on ignore s@int?

He will be again if he carries on

Nah mate , it was never about football, it was a personal matter that has been sorted now.

feck off 

GYBS wrote:

s@int wrote:

The next season we were doing well in the league

Wrong we were 21 points behind!

during the last 8 games of that season Rafa rested and prioritized the CL so dropped a fair number of points by playing the back up team while we went for CL glory

Wrong we lost no more points in that spell than we had been losing in previous games. e.g after 22 games we had 40 points after 30 games we had 54 points = 14 points same as we gained in our last 8!

Ok ill rephrase it then saint -


The season before during the latter stages of the league we didnt have to rest players for the CL campaign due to us being knocked out in feb so we could play our best team right up until the end and we finished well (which we normally do in most years)

The year after our prem form was pretty much the same up until the CL started in the knockout stages BUT because we were still in the CL we had to rest the top players while we were still in the CL so couldnt play the top players in the prem - if we had been knocked out of the CL earlier then we would of been able to play the top players during those latter stages and we would of been able to pick up more points and not lost to teams like pompey fulham etc .

So the point is easily highlighted - when we get knocked out of the CL before the semi final stage we finish well in the prem - the longer we stay in the CL the more stretched our squad becomes and the end to the prem is not as strong due to concentrating on the CL

GYBS wrote:And the season before ?!? how well did we start considering we got stuffed by chelsea beaten by charlton,fulham  drawing against teams like brum boro etc but then once the season got to feb we went on a great run .