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by **Dazzer** » Fri Oct 02, 2009 5:22 pm

dawson99 wrote:Wonder how much she'll be sued for???

Prosecutors defend 'poke' charge

The Crown Prosecution Service (CPS) has defended taking legal action against a disabled pensioner from Lancashire who poked a teenager in the chest.

Renate Bowling, 71, admitted assaulting the 17-year-old boy because he had been throwing stones at her windows.

The CPS said she refused to stop prodding him when an officer arrived.

The grandmother, who had confronted the teenager outside her home in Thornton Cleveleys, was given a conditional discharge at Blackpool Magistrates.

"In deciding to charge Renate Bowling with common assault we considered all the available evidence from witnesses.

"Mrs Bowling had emerged from her house and was seen by the officer to be shouting loudly at the 17-year-old boy and using abusive language.

"The officer then saw her assault the boy by prodding him in the chest and grabbing hold of his clothing," a CPS spokeswoman added.

Mrs Bowling, however, said that she was a widow living on her own and the actions of this boy had scared her.

"I feel like the victim in all of this - this boy was not injured, I had just reached the end of my tether.

"I have been called a German whore in the street, and my windows are always getting pelted with stones."

The widow, who has three children who served in the Army, suffers from osteoporosis, curvature of the spine and diabetes.

She escaped war-torn German in 1945 and brought her family up in Lancashire.

A CPS spokeswoman added: "As Mrs Bowling did not admit the offence initially, it was not possible to caution her for the matter.

"There was no criticism from magistrates about the decision to prosecute."

This country makes me f*cking sick

Maybe tho she was trained by the guy in kill bill I forget his name (Iamhardbruceleeorsomething) and was going for the 5 finger death poke.

But remeber it was only a poke this time , if she had got away with it might be shotgun next time you know how this old ladies can get out of control if not handled right.

by **Igor Zidane** » Fri Oct 02, 2009 6:47 pm

Maybe this helps to understand that the turban is not just a hat .

n the Khalsa society, the turban signifies many virtues:

Spirituality
The turban is a symbol of spirituality and holiness in Sikhism.

Honor and self-respect
The turban is also a symbol of honor and self-respect. In the Punjabi culture, those who have selflessly served the community are traditionally honoured with turbans.

Responsibility
Rasam Pagri ("turban ceremony") is a ceremony in North India. Rasam Pagri takes place, when a man passes away and his oldest son takes over the family responsibilities by tying the turban in front of a large gathering. It signifies that now he has shouldered the responsibility of his father and he is the head of the family.

Piety and moral values
The turban also signifies piety and purity of mind. In the Punjabi society, the Khalsa Sikhs are considered as protectors of the weak, even among the non-Sikhs. In the older times, the Khalsa warriors moved from village to village at night, during the battles. When they needed a place to hide from the enemy, the womenfolk, who had a very high degree of trust in them used to let them inside their houses. It was a common saying in Punjab: Aye nihang, booha khol de nishang ("The nihangs are at the door. Dear woman! go ahead open the door without any fear whatsoever.")

Courage
The Sikh warriors (Khalsa) wear turban, partly to cover their long hair, which is never cut, as per the wish of their last human Guru, Guru Gobind Singh. There are many references in the Sikh history that describe how Guru Gobind Singh personally tied beautiful dumalas (turbans) on the heads of both his elder sons Ajit Singh and Jujhar Singh, and how he personally gave them arms, decorated them like bridegrooms, and sent them to the battlefield at Chamkaur Sahib where they both died as martyrs. A saffron-colored turban is especially identified with courage, sacrifice and martyrdom.

Friendship and relationship
Pag Vatauni ("exchange of turban") is a Punjabi custom, in which the people exchange turbans with their closest friends. Once they exchange turbans they become friends for life and forge a permanent relationship. They take a solemn pledge to share their joys and sorrows under all circumstances. Exchanging turban is a glue that can bind two individuals or families together for generations.

Some Sikhs also believe that wearing a turban enables one to command the Agya Chakra, the sixth yogic chakra. Harbhajan Singh Yogi wrote:[3]
“ Wearing a head covering enables you to command your sixth center, the Agia Chakra. Covering the head stabilizes the cerebral matter and the 26 parts of the brain, which are interlocked with the neurological system and electromagnetic field. Covering the head creates a focus of the functional circuit of the hemispheres of the brain, and tunes the neurological system. The whole head is to be covered, not just the crown chakra. The benefit of wearing a turban is that when you wrap the five to seven layers of cloth, you cover the temples, which prevents any variance or movement in the different parts of the skull. A turban automatically gives you a cranial self-adjustment. ”

Sayings

There are many Punjabi idioms and proverbs that describe how important is a turban in one's life. Bhai Gurdas writes:[4]

Tthande khuhu naike pag visar(i) aya sir(i) nangai
Ghar vich ranna(n) kamlia(n) dhussi liti dekh(i) kudhange

("A person, after taking a bath at the well during winter time, forgot his turban at the well and came home bareheaded.
When the women saw him at home without a turban, they thought someone had died and they started to cry.")

[edit] Sign of Sikhism
Sikh men are easily recognized with their distinctive turbans

The turban is considered an important part of the unique Sikh identity. The bare head is not considered appropriate as per gurbani. If a Sikh wants to become one with his/her Guru, he/she must look like a guru (wear a turban). Guru Gobind Singh stated:

Khalsa mero roop hai khaas. Khalse me hau karo niwas.
("Khalsa is a true picture of mine. I live in Khalsa.")

Maintaining long hair and tying turban is seen as a token of love and obedience of the wishes of Sikh gurus. A quote from Sikhnet:[5]:
“ The turban is our Guru's gift to us. It is how we crown ourselves as the Singhs and Kaurs who sit on the throne of commitment to our own higher consciousness. For men and women alike, this projective identity conveys royalty, grace, and uniqueness. It is a signal to others that we live in the image of Infinity and are dedicated to serving all. The turban doesn't represent anything except complete commitment. When you choose to stand out by tying your turban, you stand fearlessly as one single person standing out from six billion people. It is a most outstanding act.

by **dawson99** » Fri Oct 02, 2009 6:50 pm

all nice words but wtf has that got to do with wanting to be a cop and needing full riot gear?

by **andy_g** » Fri Oct 02, 2009 7:34 pm

so the moral of the story about the old woman and the stone throwing youth is this;

if you know you are going to be prosecuted for poking someone in the chest, you might as well go the whole hog and punch the fucker in the face.

by **Number 9** » Fri Oct 02, 2009 7:35 pm

Igor Zidane wrote:Maybe this helps to understand that the turban is not just a hat .

n the Khalsa society, the turban signifies many virtues:

Spirituality
The turban is a symbol of spirituality and holiness in Sikhism.

Honor and self-respect
The turban is also a symbol of honor and self-respect. In the Punjabi culture, those who have selflessly served the community are traditionally honoured with turbans.

Responsibility
Rasam Pagri ("turban ceremony") is a ceremony in North India. Rasam Pagri takes place, when a man passes away and his oldest son takes over the family responsibilities by tying the turban in front of a large gathering. It signifies that now he has shouldered the responsibility of his father and he is the head of the family.

Piety and moral values
The turban also signifies piety and purity of mind. In the Punjabi society, the Khalsa Sikhs are considered as protectors of the weak, even among the non-Sikhs. In the older times, the Khalsa warriors moved from village to village at night, during the battles. When they needed a place to hide from the enemy, the womenfolk, who had a very high degree of trust in them used to let them inside their houses. It was a common saying in Punjab: Aye nihang, booha khol de nishang ("The nihangs are at the door. Dear woman! go ahead open the door without any fear whatsoever.")

Courage
The Sikh warriors (Khalsa) wear turban, partly to cover their long hair, which is never cut, as per the wish of their last human Guru, Guru Gobind Singh. There are many references in the Sikh history that describe how Guru Gobind Singh personally tied beautiful dumalas (turbans) on the heads of both his elder sons Ajit Singh and Jujhar Singh, and how he personally gave them arms, decorated them like bridegrooms, and sent them to the battlefield at Chamkaur Sahib where they both died as martyrs. A saffron-colored turban is especially identified with courage, sacrifice and martyrdom.

Friendship and relationship
Pag Vatauni ("exchange of turban") is a Punjabi custom, in which the people exchange turbans with their closest friends. Once they exchange turbans they become friends for life and forge a permanent relationship. They take a solemn pledge to share their joys and sorrows under all circumstances. Exchanging turban is a glue that can bind two individuals or families together for generations.

Some Sikhs also believe that wearing a turban enables one to command the Agya Chakra, the sixth yogic chakra. Harbhajan Singh Yogi wrote:[3]
“ Wearing a head covering enables you to command your sixth center, the Agia Chakra. Covering the head stabilizes the cerebral matter and the 26 parts of the brain, which are interlocked with the neurological system and electromagnetic field. Covering the head creates a focus of the functional circuit of the hemispheres of the brain, and tunes the neurological system. The whole head is to be covered, not just the crown chakra. The benefit of wearing a turban is that when you wrap the five to seven layers of cloth, you cover the temples, which prevents any variance or movement in the different parts of the skull. A turban automatically gives you a cranial self-adjustment. ”

Sayings

There are many Punjabi idioms and proverbs that describe how important is a turban in one's life. Bhai Gurdas writes:[4]

Tthande khuhu naike pag visar(i) aya sir(i) nangai
Ghar vich ranna(n) kamlia(n) dhussi liti dekh(i) kudhange

("A person, after taking a bath at the well during winter time, forgot his turban at the well and came home bareheaded.
When the women saw him at home without a turban, they thought someone had died and they started to cry.")

[edit] Sign of Sikhism
Sikh men are easily recognized with their distinctive turbans

The turban is considered an important part of the unique Sikh identity. The bare head is not considered appropriate as per gurbani. If a Sikh wants to become one with his/her Guru, he/she must look like a guru (wear a turban). Guru Gobind Singh stated:

Khalsa mero roop hai khaas. Khalse me hau karo niwas.
("Khalsa is a true picture of mine. I live in Khalsa.")

Maintaining long hair and tying turban is seen as a token of love and obedience of the wishes of Sikh gurus. A quote from Sikhnet:[5]:
“ The turban is our Guru's gift to us. It is how we crown ourselves as the Singhs and Kaurs who sit on the throne of commitment to our own higher consciousness. For men and women alike, this projective identity conveys royalty, grace, and uniqueness. It is a signal to others that we live in the image of Infinity and are dedicated to serving all. The turban doesn't represent anything except complete commitment. When you choose to stand out by tying your turban, you stand fearlessly as one single person standing out from six billion people. It is a most outstanding act.

So what? thats all well and good and should be respected,but when at work he needs to be up to the demands of a job!
But what if he is plodding along on his beat and a burglar pops out with a bag of swag?
What happens when he tackles the burglar and a struggle occurs and the turban gets knocked off,hence another panic attack..he falls to the floor a jibbering wreck and the burglar does one down the street.

Is this the type of tw@t you want your taxes paying for protecting our communities?
Is it fuc'k...sack the tw@t,he is not up to the job!
Fuc'king ten grand,he seen pound signs and is nothing but a leech!

by **Igor Zidane** » Fri Oct 02, 2009 7:41 pm

What i'm trying to get at is that the turban is not just a hat to keep his head warm . It's a very symbolic part of the sikh religion and it's not just as simple as saying it's a hat so take it off . There are other factors to take into consideration , i'm not saying wether it's right or wrong(personally he should have just taken the fecker off) ,i'm saying it's not always a simple as black and white .

by **dawson99** » Fri Oct 02, 2009 7:44 pm

Igor Zidane wrote:What i'm trying to get at is that the turban is not just a hat to keep his head warm . It's a very symbolic part of the sikh religion and it's not just as simple as saying it's a hat so take it off . There are other factors to take into consideration , i'm not saying wether it's right or wrong(personally he should have just taken the fecker off) ,i'm saying it's not always a simple as black and white .

it is as simple as black and white... if u r acop on riot training, u will need to wear a fecking helmut, or you are a fecking helmut! its that simple dude

by **Judge** » Fri Oct 02, 2009 7:50 pm

woof woof ! wrote:
Judge wrote:he wears some kind of bandana !!

, so does f'uckin Geronimo ! .

How come our Sikh policeman and motorcyclist couldn't wear a bandana if it's deemed acceptable within sikh religion to wear one instead of a turban for certain activities, then they could easily have worn the required helmet over it.

Naw, it's all about the money, hypocritical b'stards.

he does look like monty

by **Number 9** » Fri Oct 02, 2009 7:55 pm

Igor Zidane wrote:What i'm trying to get at is that the turban is not just a hat to keep his head warm . It's a very symbolic part of the sikh religion and it's not just as simple as saying it's a hat so take it off . There are other factors to take into consideration , i'm not saying wether it's right or wrong(personally he should have just taken the fecker off) ,i'm saying it's not always a simple as black and white .

Yeah thats OK but ffs he said he had panic attacks and anxiety,had to take sick off time!! :laugh:

What a load of balls...he seen pound signs and is in effect shagging the taxpayer up the rear taking ten grand for feck all!

Our soldiers are in Afganistan loosing limbs....suffering REAL psychological problems when they come back after seeing hideous things that we cant imagine.Some of them have received little more than what this guy got!

No matter how important the turban is to him..its nothing short of madness to pay someone that amount of cash for what happened!

by **JoeTerp** » Fri Oct 02, 2009 9:20 pm

I would question the need for a public police force in the first place, much less a specialist riot squad.

by **Number 9** » Fri Oct 02, 2009 10:30 pm

JoeTerp wrote:I would question the need for a public police force in the first place, much less a specialist riot squad.

I think you have your wires crossed mate!
Its just cops,simple really..not some vigilante gang.
We need cops cause there are bad guys,we pay their wages as taxpayers and in return expect a man/woman who can in a situation of panic protect our communities and in most cases one on one come out on top...not rolling about on the ground cause he lost a head dress..religious or not!

Riot cops are a needful thing as sometimes there are riots..its that simple really.

We are talking about government paid cops not peoples cops or anything else Joe!

by **tubby** » Fri Oct 02, 2009 10:39 pm

I'm sikh and at the end of the day he probably shouldnt even be in that sort of work if he would get offended doing that but still it was silly to ask him to remove it in the first place. If I had one on and someone spoke to me in that manner I would be offended too. The turban is an important part of our religion espcially if you are a strong practicing sikh so I can see why he took offense but it's all a bit silly to me.

by **tubby** » Fri Oct 02, 2009 10:40 pm

woof woof ! wrote:
Judge wrote:he wears some kind of bandana !!

, so does f'uckin Geronimo ! .

How come our Sikh policeman and motorcyclist couldn't wear a bandana if it's deemed acceptable within sikh religion to wear one instead of a turban for certain activities, then they could easily have worn the required helmet over it.

Naw, it's all about the money, hypocritical b'stards.

Because a bandana would not be able to hold all his hair.

by **Number 9** » Fri Oct 02, 2009 10:40 pm

Bav please mate?
Was this guy OTT?

by **tubby** » Fri Oct 02, 2009 10:42 pm

Number 9 wrote:Bav please mate?
Was this guy OTT?

If it were me I can see where he took offense to but I agree he was a bit OTT.

Fact is mate people are so worried about PC this and that it's best jyst not to take a chance so he shouldn't even be in that line of work. Imagine if he were in the army how would he wear a helmet? Silly on both parts thats what I say.

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