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by **DrPepe** » Thu Sep 24, 2009 11:35 am

GYBS wrote:
DrPepe wrote:
GYBS wrote:Crouches finish for the last goal was very good .

good finish for a big man

good feet for a big man

yeah, that too

by **Bad Bob** » Thu Sep 24, 2009 11:52 am

bigmick wrote:It'll be interesting with Crouch if he starts on a roll and gets up to matching the scoring form of his life which he had with us and England for a spell. I wonder if Redknapp will try and keep him in that form by rotating him into dizziness, or whether he'll go for the somewhat old fashioned approach of sticking with a striker while he's hot.

You still whistling this tune, Mick? I liked it for a while...snappy little beat and it really captured the zeitgeist ya know? But then it just got overplayed. I've had to delete it from my iPod and all. Fair play though, mate, it clearly still gets your toes tapping. :;):

by **bigmick** » Thu Sep 24, 2009 12:11 pm

Like most things in football which are ridiculous Bob, the more I think about it the more it winds me up. Unfortunately, rotating a striker out of the form of his life was as ridiculous back then as it would be now. Much Perrier water may have passed under the bridge since, but the bitter taste of that particular episode lives on in the memory.

by **Penguins** » Thu Sep 24, 2009 12:43 pm

But... but he had to make room for, at the time, worthless misfiring Kuyt
Sorry, I meant Rafa´s lovechild :suspect:

And no, I am not overreacting.
That season was horrible in the sense that Kuyt always played and he was almost always ****.

Crouch scored a couple of goals, gets dropped for Kuyt who misses a sitter vs Blackburn, Crouch scores a hattrick vs the Gunners, gets dropped and we see Kuyt in the CL final.
Just about sums that season up.
Still incensed when thinking about it.

But Kuyt he worked haaaard...

by **7_Kewell** » Thu Sep 24, 2009 1:55 pm

GYBS wrote:
DrPepe wrote:
GYBS wrote:Crouches finish for the last goal was very good .

good finish for a big man

good feet for a big man

shame he can't head the ball to save his life. Watching him go up for a header is a bit like throwing a wet towel at a lamp post.

by **CoolWhipKid** » Thu Sep 24, 2009 5:27 pm

Suarez
Poldolski
Dzenko
Zarate
Llorente

Just afew options

by **GYBS** » Thu Sep 24, 2009 6:02 pm

Penguins wrote:But... but he had to make room for, at the time, worthless misfiring Kuyt
Sorry, I meant Rafa´s lovechild

And no, I am not overreacting.
That season was horrible in the sense that Kuyt always played and he was almost always ****.

Crouch scored a couple of goals, gets dropped for Kuyt who misses a sitter vs Blackburn, Crouch scores a hattrick vs the Gunners, gets dropped and we see Kuyt in the CL final.
Just about sums that season up.
Still incensed when thinking about it.

But Kuyt he worked haaaard...

Which season ? the first season we got kuyt ?who actually scored more than crouch did in the prem ? In fact kuyt scored more in the prem that season than crouch ever has scored in a single season in the prem .

by **Ben Patrick** » Thu Sep 24, 2009 6:14 pm

GYBS wrote:
Penguins wrote:But... but he had to make room for, at the time, worthless misfiring Kuyt
Sorry, I meant Rafa´s lovechild

And no, I am not overreacting.
That season was horrible in the sense that Kuyt always played and he was almost always ****.

Crouch scored a couple of goals, gets dropped for Kuyt who misses a sitter vs Blackburn, Crouch scores a hattrick vs the Gunners, gets dropped and we see Kuyt in the CL final.
Just about sums that season up.
Still incensed when thinking about it.

But Kuyt he worked haaaard...

Which season ? the first season we got kuyt ?who actually scored more than crouch did in the prem ? In fact kuyt scored more in the prem that season than crouch ever has scored in a single season in the prem .

Dont start

That may be because he played every game despite being shockingly poor.
There was a period in the season where he was that bad it was difficult to watch without feeling so sorry for him.
Crouch would then come in for the odd game score and get dropped again.

That was definately the case.
As a striker for Liverpool the two players dont even compare Crouch was far better.
Dirk has been far better when shifted right without the added pressure of being expected to score the goals.

by **GYBS** » Thu Sep 24, 2009 6:27 pm

Ben Patrick wrote:
GYBS wrote:
Penguins wrote:But... but he had to make room for, at the time, worthless misfiring Kuyt
Sorry, I meant Rafa´s lovechild

And no, I am not overreacting.
That season was horrible in the sense that Kuyt always played and he was almost always ****.

Crouch scored a couple of goals, gets dropped for Kuyt who misses a sitter vs Blackburn, Crouch scores a hattrick vs the Gunners, gets dropped and we see Kuyt in the CL final.
Just about sums that season up.
Still incensed when thinking about it.

But Kuyt he worked haaaard...

Which season ? the first season we got kuyt ?who actually scored more than crouch did in the prem ? In fact kuyt scored more in the prem that season than crouch ever has scored in a single season in the prem .

Dont start

That may be because he played every game despite being shockingly poor.
There was a period in the season where he was that bad it was difficult to watch without feeling so sorry for him.
Crouch would then come in for the odd game score and get dropped again.

That was definately the case.
As a striker for Liverpool the two players dont even compare Crouch was far better.
Dirk has been far better when shifted right without the added pressure of being expected to score the goals.

In kuyt first season alongside crouch kuyt out scored him in the prem while crouch was outstanding in the cl - yes he should of played in the final . the next season kuyt had his barren spell (when his father died) in the prem but in the cl scored a fair number of goals . In the prem maybe crouch should of played a few more games than he did but torres was here then and IMO torres worked better with kuyt than with crouch. their respective scoring records are pretty equal to be honest .

by **Ben Patrick** » Thu Sep 24, 2009 6:51 pm

GYBS he was woeful mate, we can talk about his father dying etc but he was garbage.
He should have been left out alot earlier.
Are you saying that in the season he was so poor that they had similar time on the pitch and that Kuyt outscored Crouch ?
I would be shocked if thats the case.

By time on the pitch i mean actual time not appearances, which can be totally inaccurate as he could have come on the last 10 in loads of games.

I am happy that Kuyt has turned it round and is now a key player for us.
I will never be able to be convinced though that Crouch was treated bad and dropped when he was in form.

by **GYBS** » Thu Sep 24, 2009 6:57 pm

Oh i agree that kuyt shouldnt of played when his father died and it effected his game - the problem crouch had thou is he isnt very versatile so while kuyt could and does drop deeper or out wide and link up play crouch isnt that type of player as is more of a spearhead striker but and a big but we had torres that year so crouch was always going to play less .

by **Ben Patrick** » Thu Sep 24, 2009 7:03 pm

GYBS wrote:Oh i agree that kuyt shouldnt of played when his father died and it effected his game - the problem crouch had thou is he isnt very versatile so while kuyt could and does drop deeper or out wide and link up play crouch isnt that type of player as is more of a spearhead striker but and a big but we had torres that year so crouch was always going to play less .

Thought we signed Torres the summer after ?

He wasnt with us in the 2007 champions league final.

by **GYBS** » Thu Sep 24, 2009 7:05 pm

Ben Patrick wrote:
GYBS wrote:Oh i agree that kuyt shouldnt of played when his father died and it effected his game - the problem crouch had thou is he isnt very versatile so while kuyt could and does drop deeper or out wide and link up play crouch isnt that type of player as is more of a spearhead striker but and a big but we had torres that year so crouch was always going to play less .

Thought we signed Torres the summer after ?

He wasnt with us in the 2007 champions league final.

06/07 was the first year we got kuyt mate - that year kuyt scored more in the prem than crouch ever has done yet crouch got a fair number in the cl - ie 7 and got to the final of the cl

07/08 - we got torres , kuyt scored 3 in the prem and had his barren spell but did well in the cl scoring 7 when we got to the semi finals and torres got his pile in the prem and crouch was basically back up to torres .

by **Ben Patrick** » Thu Sep 24, 2009 7:07 pm

GYBS wrote:
Ben Patrick wrote:
GYBS wrote:Oh i agree that kuyt shouldnt of played when his father died and it effected his game - the problem crouch had thou is he isnt very versatile so while kuyt could and does drop deeper or out wide and link up play crouch isnt that type of player as is more of a spearhead striker but and a big but we had torres that year so crouch was always going to play less .

Thought we signed Torres the summer after ?

He wasnt with us in the 2007 champions league final.

06/07 was the first year we got kuyt mate - that year kuyt scored more in the prem than crouch ever has done yet crouch got a fair number in the cl - ie 7 and got to the final of the cl

07/08 - we got torres , kuyt scored 3 in the prem and had his barren spell but did well in the cl scoring 7 when we got to the semi finals and torres got his pile in the prem and crouch was basically back up to torres .

So its 06/07 that i had the problem with.
Thats the year he might have outscored Crouch but thats because he was selected more often.

by **GYBS** » Thu Sep 24, 2009 7:16 pm

Ben Patrick wrote:
GYBS wrote:
Ben Patrick wrote:
GYBS wrote:Oh i agree that kuyt shouldnt of played when his father died and it effected his game - the problem crouch had thou is he isnt very versatile so while kuyt could and does drop deeper or out wide and link up play crouch isnt that type of player as is more of a spearhead striker but and a big but we had torres that year so crouch was always going to play less .

Thought we signed Torres the summer after ?

He wasnt with us in the 2007 champions league final.

06/07 was the first year we got kuyt mate - that year kuyt scored more in the prem than crouch ever has done yet crouch got a fair number in the cl - ie 7 and got to the final of the cl

07/08 - we got torres , kuyt scored 3 in the prem and had his barren spell but did well in the cl scoring 7 when we got to the semi finals and torres got his pile in the prem and crouch was basically back up to torres .

So its 06/07 that i had the problem with.
Thats the year he might have outscored Crouch but thats because he was selected more often.

06/07 crouch played 30 odd games and a lot he was a starter along side kuyt with bellamy coming on as sub more often than not .

bellamy played 27 games in the prem scoring 7 goals
kuyt played 34 games scoring 12 goals
crouch played 31 games scoring 9 goals

crouch never reached double figures in the prem for us - even in his first season when he was main striker .

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