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by **GYBS** » Wed Sep 16, 2009 10:59 pm

so you used to be unsure mick but now your undecided

by **Dundalk** » Wed Sep 16, 2009 11:02 pm

In a word - no

by **Reg** » Wed Sep 16, 2009 11:10 pm

bigmick wrote:I agree it's "nonsensical" to consider selling Mash Jim, not least because the transfer window isn't open. That's one of the reasons why I aren't considering selling him.

Mick.... most red blooded males I´m sure read the title to the thread and thought at least a 'maybe'... but not for playing reasons but because he pi$$ed us all off when we were already under massive stress losing Alonso coming out saying he wanted to go to Barça.

So I know where you´re coming from because I´m not for giving him the benefit of the doubt, I want to rub his nose in it and want to see him to sweat blood on the field as an apology but to answer your question, NO.

No yet, not until the snivelling little shíte declares his intentions on the field this season.

by **Sabre** » Wed Sep 16, 2009 11:15 pm

It's been awkward enough to have lost Alonso, we don't need to reconfigure the part of the pitch that IMHO has been the strongest one at Liverpool Football club. For me we have to keep both Gerrard and Mascherano if we want it to remain it that way.

Especifically in the case of Mascherano, we have a case of a specialist in a position. And to substitute him in that role, we have absolutely nobody that can fill his boots. So that would force you to use the millions you receive for Mascherano in order to buy a player. That if you're lucky and if you're allowed to use that money to sign up that is.

For me the question is a clear no.

Perhaps some fans *might* have some shadows of doubt about his professionality after the rumours of the summer, but for me it's indeed to early to activate the alarms. I'd keep Mascherano, and I'd try my best to keep him happy if I was Rafa. We need him.

by **ConnO'var** » Wed Sep 16, 2009 11:21 pm

For me, mick, it would have been unthinkable to have have let both Alonso and Mascherano go in the same transfer window. An option I would never have considered at the time and I think Rafa got it spot on with the decision to deny him his "dream" move o Barcelona. And even today, with his marked decline in form, I would hold true to that.

On his day, Masch is one of the best around at what he does. No doubt, he's well below par and needs to pull his finger out sharpish. On current form, he doesn't deserve to be in the team. Why he's playing as sh!te as he is could be down to any of a number of reasons. Trouble at home, tiredness from all the travelling he's had to do for the Argies, unhappy with the situation at the club etc etc.

I have faith that he's professional enuff to pull up his socks for the employer that pays his salary. Rafa has a role to play too to bring him back to his imperious best..... whether it's the "arm around the shoulder" or "hard" approach is really immaterial to me.... Rafa works with him day-in day-out and should know what floats his boat.

It's a world cup year and if the Argies make it through, he'll want to be there to help 'em. That alone should be enuff to get him going again. The club should have a long talk with him to see where his heart lies and make the appropriate plans to cover all eventualities. If Argentina make it to the World Cup, Javier's value will rise and at the worst, hold at the same level as this last summer.

So, for me, the answer is NO...... we made the right decision not to sell him this tie around.

by **LFC2007** » Wed Sep 16, 2009 11:25 pm

bigmick wrote:
LFC2007 wrote:
bigmick wrote:For my part I'm undecided as of now.

What's funny about that. You've got to put stuff like that in otherwise you get people coming on and saying "so you're saying we should sell Masherano" and all that mallarkey.

I'm not saying we should sell him, I'm not even saying I would have sold him myself in the Summer. What I am saying though, is that given what we know now and with the benefit of hindsight, it's a possibility that it might have been an idea.

Like I say though, I'm undecided myself

Hurry up and decide then, the boy needs to know :laugh:

Seriously, you're asking whether what we know now could've been foreseen when the opportunity to sell him to Barca presented itself, or you're just pondering what might have been

Taking the former, the answer is simply no, I don't think we should've sold him because we knew that in-form, he's an excellent player - I remember the 'best DM in the world' comments especially. We needed to minimise the impact of Alonso's departure by keeping the remaining key players together. Few would've entertained mass surgery in the midfield - and that's what it would've been. His mood at the time Barca came calling may have given Rafa cause to think otherwise, but our insight as fans is pretty limited on that front.

With regards the latter, it's certainly more of an appealing suggestion now given what we've seen from him, and Lucas (I'm not saying it's his fault, just that Masch's poor form has exposed Lucas to an extent we didn't really expect). To think, with £25m-£30m we might have bought a Sneijder (£13m or thereabouts) and a defensive midfielder, in addition to Aquilani. Hypothetically, I'd probably take that.

At the moment though he just doesn't look like a player in love with the game. He looks a shadow of the player that tore through everything Chelsea threw at us in the UCL semi a couple of years.

by **LFC2007** » Wed Sep 16, 2009 11:37 pm

ConnO'var wrote:If Argentina make it to the World Cup, Javier's value will rise and at the worst, hold at the same level as this last summer.

Don't know about that, mate.

£25m-£30m in a crazy window was a lot of dosh.

I think it's his club form that will be more important in determining his value - less so his form with the Argies (which is equally as bad). At the current his value has to be decreasing.

by **Reg** » Thu Sep 17, 2009 12:02 am

Masher will always compare himself to Tevez - transfer fee income and salary so if Tevez went for 45 million as the papers say, Masher will want a slice like that and move on. Both he and Tevez are simple lads and I dont expect loyalty from him.

by **account deleted by request** » Thu Sep 17, 2009 12:32 am

I think he wasn't playing that well last season either. No doubt he did the "unseen work" but he wasn't anywhere near the same player we saw in his first 18months with us. He needs to buck his ideas up or I will be swopping him for a striker and replacing him with Parker.

by **stmichael** » Thu Sep 17, 2009 12:51 am

s@int wrote:He needs to buck his ideas up or I will be swopping him for a striker and replacing him with Parker.

Or Joey Barton. He's technically better than Gerrard you know? :laugh:

by **account deleted by request** » Thu Sep 17, 2009 1:01 am

stmichael wrote:
s@int wrote:He needs to buck his ideas up or I will be swopping him for a striker and replacing him with Parker.

Or Joey Barton. He's technically better than Gerrard you know?

He may have a better jab and right cross, but Gerrard has a better uppercut

by **ConnO'var** » Thu Sep 17, 2009 1:12 am

LFC2007 wrote:
ConnO'var wrote:If Argentina make it to the World Cup, Javier's value will rise and at the worst, hold at the same level as this last summer.

Don't know about that, mate.

£25m-£30m in a crazy window was a lot of dosh.

I think it's his club form that will be more important in determining his value - less so his form with the Argies (which is equally as bad). At the current his value has to be decreasing.

You may have point..... this last summer probably was an anomaly.... but who knows, if by some miracle, the Argies were to win it, the going rate on the captain of that team will likely skyrocket.

Wishful thinking

For what it's worth, and I know that a lot can change in the time, I don't think he'll be here next season. Family ties mean a hell of a lot.

by **ConnO'var** » Thu Sep 17, 2009 1:14 am

s@int wrote:
stmichael wrote:
s@int wrote:He needs to buck his ideas up or I will be swopping him for a striker and replacing him with Parker.

Or Joey Barton. He's technically better than Gerrard you know?

He may have a better jab and right cross, but Gerrard has a better uppercut

You forgot the 2 fingered eye poke made famous by the 3 stooges...... JB is reputedly a master.

by **JoeTerp** » Thu Sep 17, 2009 5:54 am

I am sure that Mascherano, as Argentina's captain, is under some tremendous pressure. Lets not forget that he was used to playing with Alonso and has to adjust as well, he didn't start that great last season and I can't remember about the season before. Mascherano is someone who is going to shine in the bigger games. Lets see how his partnership with AQUILANI forms before we make any judgments on if we should have sold him this summer.

by **Toffeehater** » Thu Sep 17, 2009 6:12 am

GYBS wrote:Masher had a dip on form last season and came through it and turned into a extremly important player once again - he will do so again this season - his importance and form will return as soon as a chelsea or a man utd turn up .

Spot on , he always starts the season poorly , to be honest i'm sure he loves playing for us and hopefully he gets back to his best asap

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