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by **Number 9** » Mon Sep 14, 2009 6:35 pm

Greavesie wrote:Dawson starts this debate then fecks off on his hollies

I hope he gets beat up in Glasgow by Muslims with Scottish accents,that would really fuc,k him off!

by **metalhead** » Mon Sep 14, 2009 7:35 pm

Lando_Griffin wrote:Any religion which requires a follower to have a poorer life than they otherwise would isn't right in my book.

Elaborate

by **Ben Patrick** » Mon Sep 14, 2009 7:38 pm

Lando_Griffin wrote:
Madmax wrote:Lando your comment about islam is just a load of shyte.. Seems like you have a problem with the religion rather than the extremists using their twisted interpretation. What you mentioned stating we don't want this we don't want that... Did some mullah come to convert you or something lool...

No it isn't. If I don't want to adopt their ways, why should I? Should I be forced to pretend that I agree with some backwards philosophy which teaches that women are second-class citizens, alcohol is banned, you must pray X amount of times per day, you must starve yourself for Ramadan, etc, etc, etc.

It's all a load of cobblers. It serves absolutely no purpose whatsoever and no God worth following would want people to waste their lives with that kind of crackpot behaviour, in my very honest opinion.

by **Number 9** » Mon Sep 14, 2009 7:39 pm

metalhead wrote:
Lando_Griffin wrote:Any religion which requires a follower to have a poorer life than they otherwise would isn't right in my book.

Elaborate

Cause you are not allowed fanta!!

by **Ciggy** » Mon Sep 14, 2009 9:21 pm

Greavesie wrote:Dawson starts this debate then fecks off on his hollies

To bloody Glasgow of all places :laugh:

by **Ben Patrick** » Mon Sep 14, 2009 10:31 pm

Number 9 wrote:
metalhead wrote:
Lando_Griffin wrote:Any religion which requires a follower to have a poorer life than they otherwise would isn't right in my book.

Elaborate

Cause you are not allowed fanta!!

I have been banned from fanta for a week by me ma

I am 30 years of age and have moved back in with her recently (long story)
She moaned at me for drinking too much and set me a bet that i dont drink for a week, i agreed to stop her moaning.

That means i will have to watch the match wednesday with only tea

A whole week, i cant see me winning the bet tbh

by **Kharhaz** » Mon Sep 14, 2009 11:08 pm

One question I ask is this: Why shouldnt the mosques open on 11/9 (nothing happened on the 9th of November !) . The attack on America was caused by extremists. Nowhere in the Islam religion does it say this is acceptable. By not opening the mosques, it would be like them admitting that it is the Islam religion at fault and all muslims. All muslims would be admitting to blame, and as we all know, they are not. Its a handful. What makes the religion worse, as has been pointed out, are the press. They only ever report the bad things, to raise discussion, to get people angry and above all to sell.

The main fault here, the main antagonist in all of this is the government. As Bigmick pointed out, they are too busy trying to punish unemployed british citizens to pay for their moat to be cleaned rather than have some sort of governing role. To this day they are still sat on their thumbs.

by **account deleted by request** » Mon Sep 14, 2009 11:11 pm

Posted on behalf of a mate :-

Journalists', commentators, polititions and a few members on these boards need to move away from their egocentric ways and take a bit of perspective.

The protesters in Harrow the other day were not 'picking on' peaceful Islamists' because they were "right winged facists". There are many peaceful people in many different religons, the protest was not aimed at 'peaceful' people. It was aimed at Islam and its over bearing and populating toll in the UK and in the broader picture Europe.

In European countries like Germany, Spain, Italy, France, Holland and the UK indigenous natives are declining in birthrate. In many of these countries the birth rate is irreversable. Thus the population in Europe should be wilting, however this is not so. Millions upon millions of Islamic immigtants have flocked and will carry on flocking to Europes 'socialist' shores. And approximately by about 2050 Europe will more than likely be an Islamic state.

Now I am a westernised layman who would prefer not to have the essentials of Islam forced upon myself, my children or my grandchildren. I have a rightful opinion to share my concern in a diplomatic way to many fellow persons. Yet realise as I write this know doubt I will be labelled a "bigot", "facist", "Nazi" etc.. etc..

Now it is my prerogative to believe such concerns maybe even propoganda who knows about Europe and its future. But when we're talking about foresight many people claimed Enoch Powell to be a right wing nut job many moons ago regarding his famous speech in Birmingham. With recent events in Birmingham ironically and Harrow it seems; Powell's predictions were plausibly not that wide of the mark as first thought.

Never the-less due to 'egocentric ideologies' in parliament today which has caught on like Swine-flu in many sectors of society. Reverse racism has been born and is well and truly alive in the UK. Like our friendly friend Mr Abu Hamza who deserted his fellow countrymen and jumped ship to the UK claiming asylum a fair few years back. Then proceeded to live off the average tax-payers income with an 800,000 pound house in London. Lets not forget spouting pure evil and bile against the West (in Britain and against Britain) and avoid the wrath of the law while enjoying a free ticket to ride. Would I myself or anyone else who is concerned with immigration matters in the UK; be given the right to stand on a milk crate from speakers corner and theorise my concerns with my fellow Indigenous brothers? Without the reverse racism card being played or without getting 'knicked'. I highly doubt it, as many people in this thread have already condemed a few who are fed up with Britain today.

The human rights laws in this country have gone beyond daft, stating that immigrants cannot be deported back to a country where their worse off than the UK's conditions..... Excuse my French for one moment; thats half the fecking world isn't it?

I am not asking anyone to agree with what I have said here, this is an opinion. But I ask you please to respect my opinion without burdening me with you're very own egocentric view. I have seen, read and heard enough of this 'looney left' view to last a life time'. Its about time Indigenous people in Britain are heard. Its OUR country and we're rapidly loosing it.

Regards

Churchill.

by **metalhead** » Mon Sep 14, 2009 11:18 pm

Lando_Griffin wrote:
Madmax wrote:Lando your comment about islam is just a load of shyte.. Seems like you have a problem with the religion rather than the extremists using their twisted interpretation. What you mentioned stating we don't want this we don't want that... Did some mullah come to convert you or something lool...

No it isn't. If I don't want to adopt their ways, why should I? Should I be forced to pretend that I agree with some backwards philosophy which teaches that women are second-class citizens, alcohol is banned, you must pray X amount of times per day, you must starve yourself for Ramadan, etc, etc, etc.

It's all a load of cobblers. It serves absolutely no purpose whatsoever and no God worth following would want people to waste their lives with that kind of crackpot behaviour, in my very honest opinion.

backward philosophy? treat women as a second class citizen? loads of tosh that is mate, no disrespect, but thats b*llox. You have no idea what Islam is. Its not the religion that treats women to be below men, this has been before Islam even emerged! back in the dark ages in the Middle East, where there were bedouen tribes and villages scattered all over the desert in the gulf region, where women were not treated equally, ask any historian and he will tell you this. Infact Islam puts women and men together they teach you to respect the other gender and to care. However, most of you watch the news, look at Saudi Arabia, Afghanistan etc... then assume that women are treated like sh!te because of Islam. This is a cultural aspect, not a religious aspect which has been there for a long long and long time. You have no idea what Ramadan means do you as well? Lando, sometimes you really need to educate yourself about other types of religion before you go on posting comments that are wrong and doesn't show any understanding on the religion type (Islam).

I'm not even a religious muslim, I drink alot of fanta (barry

), like to :censored:

, like to go to clubs and bars. However, I do follow certain codes of my religion, which I respect because I understand their meanings and they serve for the good of humanity, not the other way around.

by **metalhead** » Mon Sep 14, 2009 11:21 pm

Number 9 wrote:
metalhead wrote:
Lando_Griffin wrote:Any religion which requires a follower to have a poorer life than they otherwise would isn't right in my book.

Elaborate

Cause you are not allowed fanta!!

I'm going to have fanta after ramdan.. you wait and see...

cant wait

by **account deleted by request** » Mon Sep 14, 2009 11:47 pm

metalhead wrote:
Lando_Griffin wrote:
Madmax wrote:Lando your comment about islam is just a load of shyte.. Seems like you have a problem with the religion rather than the extremists using their twisted interpretation. What you mentioned stating we don't want this we don't want that... Did some mullah come to convert you or something lool...

No it isn't. If I don't want to adopt their ways, why should I? Should I be forced to pretend that I agree with some backwards philosophy which teaches that women are second-class citizens, alcohol is banned, you must pray X amount of times per day, you must starve yourself for Ramadan, etc, etc, etc.

It's all a load of cobblers. It serves absolutely no purpose whatsoever and no God worth following would want people to waste their lives with that kind of crackpot behaviour, in my very honest opinion.

backward philosophy? treat women as a second class citizen? loads of tosh that is mate, no disrespect, but thats b*llox. You have no idea what Islam is. Its not the religion that treats women to be below men, this has been before Islam even emerged! back in the dark ages in the Middle East, where there were bedouen tribes and villages scattered all over the desert in the gulf region, where women were not treated equally, ask any historian and he will tell you this. Infact Islam puts women and men together they teach you to respect the other gender and to care. However, most of you watch the news, look at Saudi Arabia, Afghanistan etc... then assume that women are treated like sh!te because of Islam. This is a cultural aspect, not a religious aspect which has been there for a long long and long time. You have no idea what Ramadan means do you as well? Lando, sometimes you really need to educate yourself about other types of religion before you go on posting comments that are wrong and doesn't show any understanding on the religion type (Islam).

I'm not even a religious muslim, I drink alot of fanta (barry ), like to , like to go to clubs and bars. However, I do follow certain codes of my religion, which I respect because I understand their meanings and they serve for the good of humanity, not the other way around.

Good post mate. What some people seem to forget is that it is only a relatively short while ago that women were seen very much as second class citizens in the West. When I first joined the Civil Service in the early 70's a wife was a chattel in law as well as in practise, and had no rights to tax allowances in her own right (I think this only changed completely in 1990)

When I first entered the private sector I was told that "they didn't like to employ women because they only got pregnant and leave and they just distracted the men from their jobs anyway!"

by **Madmax** » Tue Sep 15, 2009 12:09 am

metalhead wrote:
Lando_Griffin wrote:
Madmax wrote:Lando your comment about islam is just a load of shyte.. Seems like you have a problem with the religion rather than the extremists using their twisted interpretation. What you mentioned stating we don't want this we don't want that... Did some mullah come to convert you or something lool...

No it isn't. If I don't want to adopt their ways, why should I? Should I be forced to pretend that I agree with some backwards philosophy which teaches that women are second-class citizens, alcohol is banned, you must pray X amount of times per day, you must starve yourself for Ramadan, etc, etc, etc.

It's all a load of cobblers. It serves absolutely no purpose whatsoever and no God worth following would want people to waste their lives with that kind of crackpot behaviour, in my very honest opinion.

backward philosophy? treat women as a second class citizen? loads of tosh that is mate, no disrespect, but thats b*llox. You have no idea what Islam is. Its not the religion that treats women to be below men, this has been before Islam even emerged! back in the dark ages in the Middle East, where there were bedouen tribes and villages scattered all over the desert in the gulf region, where women were not treated equally, ask any historian and he will tell you this. Infact Islam puts women and men together they teach you to respect the other gender and to care. However, most of you watch the news, look at Saudi Arabia, Afghanistan etc... then assume that women are treated like sh!te because of Islam. This is a cultural aspect, not a religious aspect which has been there for a long long and long time. You have no idea what Ramadan means do you as well? Lando, sometimes you really need to educate yourself about other types of religion before you go on posting comments that are wrong and doesn't show any understanding on the religion type (Islam).

I'm not even a religious muslim, I drink alot of fanta (barry ), like to , like to go to clubs and bars. However, I do follow certain codes of my religion, which I respect because I understand their meanings and they serve for the good of humanity, not the other way around.

Spot on... :nod

Study a faith before pointing out accusations.

by **Ciggy** » Tue Sep 15, 2009 12:13 am

The muslim women in Dubai are stunning they dressed beautiful and they where even drinking and smoking in the bars, had a few bevies with them and they where great really friendly the men and women.

Turkey, Egypt and Tunisia the men are all perves

And you dont see any of their women.

by **Madmax** » Tue Sep 15, 2009 12:15 am

Ciggy wrote:The muslim women in Dubai are stunning they dressed beautiful and they where even drinking and smoking in the bars, had a few bevies with them and they where great really friendly the men and women.

Turkey, Egypt and Tunisia the men are all perves

And you dont see any of their women.

yeah i know what you mean about turkey.. Been there and for real the men are pervs.. lool...

by **LFC2007** » Tue Sep 15, 2009 12:38 am

s@int wrote:The protesters in Harrow the other day were not 'picking on' peaceful Islamists' because they were "right winged facists". There are many peaceful people in many different religons, the protest was not aimed at 'peaceful' people. It was aimed at Islam and its over bearing and populating toll in the UK and in the broader picture Europe.

In European countries like Germany, Spain, Italy, France, Holland and the UK indigenous natives are declining in birthrate. In many of these countries the birth rate is irreversable. Thus the population in Europe should be wilting, however this is not so. Millions upon millions of Islamic immigtants have flocked and will carry on flocking to Europes 'socialist' shores. And approximately by about 2050 Europe will more than likely be an Islamic state.

Now I am a westernised layman who would prefer not to have the essentials of Islam forced upon myself, my children or my grandchildren. I have a rightful opinion to share my concern in a diplomatic way to many fellow persons. Yet realise as I write this know doubt I will be labelled a "bigot", "facist", "Nazi" etc.. etc..

Now it is my prerogative to believe such concerns maybe even propoganda who knows about Europe and its future. But when we're talking about foresight many people claimed Enoch Powell to be a right wing nut job many moons ago regarding his famous speech in Birmingham. With recent events in Birmingham ironically and Harrow it seems; Powell's predictions were plausibly not that wide of the mark as first thought.

Never the-less due to 'egocentric ideologies' in parliament today which has caught on like Swine-flu in many sectors of society. Reverse racism has been born and is well and truly alive in the UK. Like our friendly friend Mr Abu Hamza who deserted his fellow countrymen and jumped ship to the UK claiming asylum a fair few years back. Then proceeded to live off the average tax-payers income with an 800,000 pound house in London. Lets not forget spouting pure evil and bile against the West (in Britain and against Britain) and avoid the wrath of the law while enjoying a free ticket to ride. Would I myself or anyone else who is concerned with immigration matters in the UK; be given the right to stand on a milk crate from speakers corner and theorise my concerns with my fellow Indigenous brothers? Without the reverse racism card being played or without getting 'knicked'. I highly doubt it, as many people in this thread have already condemed a few who are fed up with Britain today.

The human rights laws in this country have gone beyond daft, stating that immigrants cannot be deported back to a country where their worse off than the UK's conditions..... Excuse my French for one moment; thats half the fecking world isn't it?

I am not asking anyone to agree with what I have said here, this is an opinion. But I ask you please to respect my opinion without burdening me with you're very own egocentric view. I have seen, read and heard enough of this 'looney left' view to last a life time'. Its about time Indigenous people in Britain are heard. Its OUR country and we're rapidly loosing it.

Regards

Churchill.

Try and construct a proper argument.

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