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by **Emerald Red** » Tue Aug 25, 2009 8:09 pm

KOPMATT wrote:I feel more sorry for us not just Torres we can all see that he needs a quality partner upfront with him to take the weight off his shoulders forget about big payer big money syndrome the guy is isolated upfront on his own and seems the fams voices of concern are isolated also? It's so damn obvious.................isn't it?

No.

I recall last season that these forums would be baying for blood had rafa changed the system of playing Torres on his own with Gerrard in support. In fact, there is a poll on it for evidence. Truth is, some people on here change their opinions more times than they change their own trunks.

Torres has scored 2 goals in 3 games. Not bad for a system that needs changing and him under immense pressure. That's what happens when you become the best striker in Europe. The formation doesn't need changing, and Torres does need a back-up, be it Gerrard to pull his socks up, or someone else to come in and give him a breather. If anyone is to blame, then perhaps it's Rafa not opening his mouth enough to refs to give the boys some protection, because I can garauntee you that no matter where he plays in a formation, he will get the :censored:

kicked out of him. Perhaps he should dive like Drogba does so that defenders are afraid to even go near him in case he wins a dodgy free-kick?

by **KOPMATT** » Tue Aug 25, 2009 8:21 pm

Ok, you maybe right but what happens when and we know it will happen Torres gets injured who do we turn to for goals? We could see from last year had Torres & Gerrard started more games together those draws may have been wins? We have no quality back up for Torres whether anyone feels we need it or not.

by **Emerald Red** » Tue Aug 25, 2009 8:39 pm

KOPMATT wrote:Ok, you maybe right but what happens when and we know it will happen Torres gets injured who do we turn to for goals? We could see from last year had Torres & Gerrard started more games together those draws may have been wins? We have no quality back up for Torres whether anyone feels we need it or not.

Well, we know it, and Rafa certainly knows it. The question is, do the Yanks know it? Or better still, do they give a sh*t?

If Torres gets injured then he gets injured. You just can't expect the manager to wrap him in cotton whool, because if he did that I can only imagine the stick he would get.

by **KOPMATT** » Tue Aug 25, 2009 8:45 pm

I don't expect him to get wrapped in cotton wool and Rafa's talk with torres underlines that last week where he told him to stop moaning and get on with scoring goals. We have a very big squad but not a very strong one. I felt we were the better team on Monday just unable to score if we had scored first i think it would've been a rout, but we didn't and thats the beauty of football and the miseries for us i suppose. Just couldn't look to the beni/Voronin sub with any hope and when Voronin bottled the 50/50 it was all over.

by **LFC2007** » Tue Aug 25, 2009 9:00 pm

He takes his fair share of knocks, but that's because he's a brilliant footballer, it's also something you have to take more of in this league. He's equipped to deal with it though, 40 league goals in 60 games proves as much.

I agree with Baz too btw, less of the complaining. Giving the ref a 'you clueless k'unt :angry:

' sort of look only drives them against you. The more subtle 'hey, what the f'uck was that, ref?

Never mind

' tends to be more effective.

by **Sir Roger** » Tue Aug 25, 2009 9:13 pm

The more he complains the more snidy tw@ts like them last night will kick him.
The more he moans at the ref to protect him, the more referees will punish him for abusive behaviour
He has to handle it more cleverly otherwise he will get a reputation as a whinger and ref hater

by **Madmax** » Wed Aug 26, 2009 12:27 am

I think he should attend ronaldos school of diving. Maybe we could get more freekicks or pens like that!

by **aCe'** » Wed Aug 26, 2009 1:53 am

Has been going down too easy, getting frustrated too fast, and has been complaining alot... Needs to get his act together and that would be alot easier if the team as a whole started performing to better standards.. As is, id like to see much more of Torres on his feet rather than flat on the ground on his behind because it does us little to no good... He hasnt performed so far, his first touch has been awful, and maybe its frustrating him as much as it is everyone else, hopefully he snaps out of it and everythings back to normal soon...

Dont think Rafa was right in mentioning that in public, dont really see what good it could have done the player besides embarrass him and have the refs take note...

by **peterc1992** » Wed Aug 26, 2009 2:29 am

Owzat wrote:He played the full game in both defeats, even though he never really looked like scoring at WHL. He played 85 mins against Stoke and WTF4? Rafa and fans may moan about fatigue etc, but Rafa has the power to do something about it and hasn't. Substitutions seem like an afterthought to Rafa

SO this time last year and the year before when we were rotating Torres and Gerrard but now when we play him for 3 games in a row you compain that rafa plays him to much.If Rafa takes Torres off with 20 mins left at villa you will complain also but you come on today and complain .I dunno sometimes.Rafa can do nothing right at the minute,veyr hard to please some people

by **centarec** » Wed Aug 26, 2009 3:06 am

Villa defenders nearly slaughtered Torres . The next time some Defence does that to our Nando , rafa should give Kyrgiakos and Skrtel "THE LICENSE TO KILL" and that would be fekin bloody

by **bigmick** » Wed Aug 26, 2009 4:27 am

To be perfectly honest I think some people are overplaying the treatment dished out to Torres by Villa. Yes he was on the recieving endof the odd tackle, but no more so than anyone else gets. Centre forwards playing in the Premiership will always have to fight for the right to play and Torres is no different.

I do think that he ought to make more of an effort to disguise how much it is getting to him though. If I was playing against him (figuratively, not literally obviously) given what we've seen recently, I'd be right into him from minute one. I wouldn't just stop at ruffling him either, I'd be into him with the verbals, giving it to him with both barrels off the ball. Why? Because it is very obvious from his gait right now that close attention is disturbing him, preventing him from giving of his best. I think it's entirely legitimate, part and parcel of the game and something which our man has just forgotten how to deal with right now.

With referees, it's pointless this constant berating of them. Equally counter productive in England is flinging yourself to the ground for elongated periods. Yes appeal, yes complain, but don't make the referee come to the conclusion that you are a spoil c... who is disrespectful and wants things all his own way, or he'll be looking for an excuse to give you feck all.

Rafa was absolutely right what he said, but I do think it might have been better said behind closed doors. I can see the refs saying at the meetings, "even his own fecking manager has told him to shut the feck up, give him feck all if he starts whinging".

Torres has to live and learn, and quickly.

by **Owzat** » Wed Aug 26, 2009 7:00 am

peterc1992 wrote:
Owzat wrote:He played the full game in both defeats, even though he never really looked like scoring at WHL. He played 85 mins against Stoke and WTF4? Rafa and fans may moan about fatigue etc, but Rafa has the power to do something about it and hasn't. Substitutions seem like an afterthought to Rafa

SO this time last year and the year before when we were rotating Torres and Gerrard but now when we play him for 3 games in a row you compain that rafa plays him to much.If Rafa takes Torres off with 20 mins left at villa you will complain also but you come on today and complain .I dunno sometimes.Rafa can do nothing right at the minute,veyr hard to please some people

I didn't say playing him three games in a row was right or wrong. I was pointing out that fatigue isn't something people should complain about, especially the manager, when Rafa plays him for near 90 mins needlessly.

I would think carefully before surmising what I have said in the past or in the future, I am one of the few on here that doesn't constantly complain about fatigue and use it as an excuse. I haven't once blamed Spain's participation in the confederations cup or their win in the Euros previously since a lot of players participate in internationals so we're not the only club that has players who are playing through summers.

Rafa could easily have taken Torres off against Stoke, not that I am blaming fatigue for us losing since I don't see it was a factor in how Torres played. But people (on here) do complain about fatigue, not least Rafa (not on here), but then you wouldn't be the first to take something I've said and draw incorrect conclusions because that's what you want to read into what I've said. And from what I have said you can't conclude I said to rotate, I was talking about subbing Torres and that is different to not starting Torres

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