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by **Owzat** » Fri Aug 07, 2009 2:41 pm

s@int wrote:
GYBS wrote:and saint if you dont like what is being said or like the opinion that you call noise dont step into the room and just walk on by then .

I don't mind you having a different opinion, I just find it objectionable when you try to make out that MY OPINION is different than what I put.

Fess up, we all know you're not typing what you mean to. All your posts are typos...................

It's a form of dyslexia, it's call dysonursty

by **account deleted by request** » Fri Aug 07, 2009 2:43 pm

bigmick wrote:What amazes me about some "so called fans" (sorry I couldn't resist) is even though we've just sold Alonso for twice as much as we were hawking him around Europe for 12 months ago, they still don't get the concept of a players value fluctuating. Even though we spunked 8 million quid on keane in about 7 months due to a fluctuation in form/a chronically bad decision to sign him ion the first place, even though we've spunked a large part of the 7 million quid we paid for Dossena, they still don't get it.

It works like this lads. If you buy a striker to score goals, and he proves to be not very good at it, you can take it as red that his value goes down. If he subsequently scores goals and does a decent job at right midfield, his value goes up If you buy a left back who is useless, his value goes down. If he subsequently plays well at left mid, his value climbs. I ask these people sometimes to post about football, but really I should just leave them in their own little world. Totally, absolutely and completely devoid of any clue whatsoever .

The hard part is getting them to admit that a player has had a dip in form in the first place mate....... then you have to get them to understand your point

by **Redman in wales** » Fri Aug 07, 2009 2:54 pm

I have so far avoided this debate on kuyt - but here's my 2 pennies worth:

During his 2nd season Kuyt got some important european goals for us. For that I was thankful. However it was his league form that got me, and others, on his back. He scored 3 goals in 32 games (a goal every 10.67 games). Nowhere near good enough for a striker - whether he was played out on the wing or not. One of those 3 goals was with knee, another was a lucky deflection off his leg - yes they all count, but he missed so many opportunities and only scored 1 goal which wasn't thought of as "lucky". He went from Noevmber to April without scoring in the league. This is where the main bulk of criticism about Dirk Kuyt came from : his 2007-08 league form.

Over the course of that season, I got more and more frustrated with him, and wanted him sold. Last summer, I was praying that we'd sell him and bring in a dynamic winger that would score more that 3 league goals a season. I was almost disspointed when he was still on our books at the start of last season. Whilst I though he was an okay / good player. He was nowhere near Liverpool quality, and wanted an improvement on that right hand side.

And boy did we get it! - but not from a new signing - from Dirk Kuyt himself. Ol' Dirky boy put me in my place - and silenced (most of) his critics. He was everywhere - even more so than usual. We knew he had an eginee, we knew that from the previous 2 seasons. But off the back of the European championships, he was still going strong - right to the last minute of every game. His detirmination and fight helped in the comebacks early last season, and he notched up the goals too. 12 goals in the league as opposed to 3 last season - he quadrupled his league tally. Was it against Utd where he scored through all of his hard work? battling through tackles and getting the rub of the green with riccoches but still having the drive and detirmination to get the ball ahead of the utd defenders round him.

I think he is incredibly important to our current side. Not only on the pitch, but off it. I've read countless interviews how he gets on with everybody. He's one of Reina's best mates. Not that it affects our dressing room anymore, but he's one of only 3 (with stevie & carra) that Riise keeps in touch with - which shows the kind of person his is. I think his grit and detirmination help the team, his personality helps the team, and another season like last season will also help the team.

[I will edit this post again later as I want to put some more stats in, but can't do it at work at the moment]

by **bigmick** » Fri Aug 07, 2009 3:00 pm

Redman in wales wrote:He scored 3 goals in 32 games (a goal every 10.67 games). He went from Noevmber to April without scoring in the league. This is where the main bulk of criticism about Dirk Kuyt came from : his 2007-08 league form.

Good post RIW, but where's the problem? 3 goals in 32 games isn't that bad is it

and then we wonder why people didn't think he really cut it up front :laugh:

by **GYBS** » Fri Aug 07, 2009 3:09 pm

great post redman very good read . And saint i havent changed what your saying or made out your opinion is different to what your saying but if i have then please show me and i will apologise for that and mick bar the poor form he had around the time his dad died when he could buy a goal kuyt has shown he can score goals as striker - maybe not on the levels of torres etc but still a good return - our top league scorer in his first season , our top european scorer second season and we all know the stats from last season where he scored most of his goals from a position you would see a striker take up . So while goal return is not on the fantastic levels and bar that poor period he has still got a good return and thats not including everything else he brings to the team .

by **aCe'** » Fri Aug 07, 2009 3:13 pm

question: Does anyone seriously think Kuyt will score and create as many goals next season ?

by **dawson99** » Fri Aug 07, 2009 3:15 pm

aCe' wrote:question: Does anyone seriously think Kuyt will score and create as many goals next season ?

answer: why not? he will have a better player behind him in Johnson, hopefully Torres will remain fit as will Stevie so better players will be on the field... so no reason to say he won't

by **GYBS** » Fri Aug 07, 2009 3:17 pm

aCe' wrote:question: Does anyone seriously think Kuyt will score and create as many goals next season ?

And aramis arrives

yes - why wont he

by **GYBS** » Fri Aug 07, 2009 3:19 pm

bigmick wrote:
Redman in wales wrote:He scored 3 goals in 32 games (a goal every 10.67 games). He went from Noevmber to April without scoring in the league. This is where the main bulk of criticism about Dirk Kuyt came from : his 2007-08 league form.

Good post RIW, but where's the problem? 3 goals in 32 games isn't that bad is it

and then we wonder why people didn't think he really cut it up front

what about the season before mick when he scored 12 in 32 playing up front - same goals return as players like berbatov etc?

by **maguskwt** » Fri Aug 07, 2009 3:21 pm

bigmick wrote:What amazes me about some "so called fans" (sorry I couldn't resist) is even though we've just sold Alonso for twice as much as we were hawking him around Europe for 12 months ago, they still don't get the concept of a players value fluctuating. Even though we spunked 8 million quid on keane in about 7 months due to a fluctuation in form/a chronically bad decision to sign him ion the first place, even though we've spunked a large part of the 7 million quid we paid for Dossena, they still don't get it.

It works like this lads. If you buy a striker to score goals, and he proves to be not very good at it, you can take it as red that his value goes down. If he subsequently scores goals and does a decent job at right midfield, his value goes up If you buy a left back who is useless, his value goes down. If he subsequently plays well at left mid, his value climbs. I ask these people sometimes to post about football, but really I should just leave them in their own little world. Totally, absolutely and completely devoid of any clue whatsoever .

playing along those lines... maybe we should sell kuyt? :shifty

nobody believes he's gonna repeat last year's form anwyay... :cool:

and then buy David Silva... :buttrock

by **dawson99** » Fri Aug 07, 2009 3:22 pm

maguskwt wrote:
bigmick wrote:What amazes me about some "so called fans" (sorry I couldn't resist) is even though we've just sold Alonso for twice as much as we were hawking him around Europe for 12 months ago, they still don't get the concept of a players value fluctuating. Even though we spunked 8 million quid on keane in about 7 months due to a fluctuation in form/a chronically bad decision to sign him ion the first place, even though we've spunked a large part of the 7 million quid we paid for Dossena, they still don't get it.

It works like this lads. If you buy a striker to score goals, and he proves to be not very good at it, you can take it as red that his value goes down. If he subsequently scores goals and does a decent job at right midfield, his value goes up If you buy a left back who is useless, his value goes down. If he subsequently plays well at left mid, his value climbs. I ask these people sometimes to post about football, but really I should just leave them in their own little world. Totally, absolutely and completely devoid of any clue whatsoever .

playing along those lines... maybe we should sell kuyt? nobody believes he's gonna repeat last year's form anwyay...

and then buy David Silva...

yeah, and Stevie prob won't be as good, lets get Parker

by **maguskwt** » Fri Aug 07, 2009 3:22 pm

aCe' wrote:question: Does anyone seriously think Kuyt will score and create as many goals next season ?

FFS it doesn't matter what Kuyt does next season... what matters is what the team does...

by **account deleted by request** » Fri Aug 07, 2009 3:37 pm

dawson99 wrote:
maguskwt wrote:
bigmick wrote:What amazes me about some "so called fans" (sorry I couldn't resist) is even though we've just sold Alonso for twice as much as we were hawking him around Europe for 12 months ago, they still don't get the concept of a players value fluctuating. Even though we spunked 8 million quid on keane in about 7 months due to a fluctuation in form/a chronically bad decision to sign him ion the first place, even though we've spunked a large part of the 7 million quid we paid for Dossena, they still don't get it.

It works like this lads. If you buy a striker to score goals, and he proves to be not very good at it, you can take it as red that his value goes down. If he subsequently scores goals and does a decent job at right midfield, his value goes up If you buy a left back who is useless, his value goes down. If he subsequently plays well at left mid, his value climbs. I ask these people sometimes to post about football, but really I should just leave them in their own little world. Totally, absolutely and completely devoid of any clue whatsoever .

playing along those lines... maybe we should sell kuyt? nobody believes he's gonna repeat last year's form anwyay...

and then buy David Silva...

yeah, and Stevie prob won't be as good, lets get Parker

Do you actually read what someone has posted or just read what you want to see ?

Mick posted about a players value fluctuating depending on whether they had a good season or a bad one. Where from that did you get the brilliant idea that we should sell Gerrard and Kuyt?

The idea is to get as many players as possible playing well together, not selling the ones that have just had a good season ...... as that would leave us with just the players who are performing poorly.

Nice idea mate.... just not practicable.

by **dawson99** » Fri Aug 07, 2009 3:40 pm

No saint, its from people saying we should sell Kuyt as he wont do it again, stupid comments deserve stupid retorts, want me to make it simpler for you next time? :;):

by **bigmick** » Fri Aug 07, 2009 3:41 pm

But Daws, who is saying we should sell kuyt as of now? Tell me, and I'll join in with the lambasting.

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