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by **SouthCoastShankly** » Fri Jul 31, 2009 10:23 am

Overall it seems to me that we spend money on players that fail, which obviously is a risk, but why not first test the water of your homegrown players without the monetary risk.

by **JoeTerp** » Fri Jul 31, 2009 3:13 pm

by **JBG** » Fri Jul 31, 2009 3:19 pm

The thing is about academy/youth team players nowadays is that they must be of exceptional quality if they are to break into a top 4 first team. If you look at the top four the only top players that I can think of that have established themselves in the first team in the last five years are Fabregas and Clichy, most others are expendable.

by **sixbuster** » Fri Jul 31, 2009 3:41 pm

They both and others have to get a chance....whats the point in buying all this young talent if you dont blood them

by **redmikey** » Fri Jul 31, 2009 4:17 pm

spearing for me has to offer than lucas, but lucas was inproving with games . hamill has done well on loan and surely has more to offer that el zar made the difference against tranmere

kelly looks one for the future or as the scum had to lets see how he get in in the epl.

nemeth look better in the box than babel or kuyt but will struggle for games with nando and sg

pacheco looks short of a year or so growing before he is ready but looks like he could be a star

by **LFC2007** » Sat Aug 01, 2009 12:50 am

SouthCoastShankly wrote:It depends. As I said before, having the funds to play the transfer market reduces the need and risk of playing youth team members. The top clubs tend to let other clubs develop the talent and then buy said talent.

My issue is two fold:

Firstly, out of the top four clubs we are by far the worse at introducing new homegrown players to the first team.

Secondly, if you watch the reserves you see the budding talent we have in the club. We need someone to take a chance on these kids. I would happily sacrifice the Carling Cup every year to see these ones develop, but this tactic seems to be few and far between.

Steven Warnock is a good example of how persevering and continuing to develop a player would of strengthened the team. Left back has been a bone of contention since Rafa (and before...) took over. I would of happily sacrificed the 6 odd million we got for Warnock and continued developing him. I would say now he is better than any left back we have now, and that is through Blackburn's development programme.

Not sure what you mean by Blackburn's development programme?

He was a good player but I personally rate a fit Aurelio ahead of him, i.e. the Aurelio of last season is of a good enough standard for us. He was a decent player at times, but Aurelio has quality on the ball Warnock will never have.

I'd love to see us bring through players from the youth ranks, and hopefully we're about to see that. Insua is probably going to be one of them on a more permanent basis, although he isn't great in all honesty, he can do a decent enough job filling in when Aurelio's injured or out of form.

The point about giving youngsters a chance comes back to my initital comments about Owen/Fowler/Gerrard, and that is that in the main, if they're that good at say, 17, 18, 19 then they will prosper at the top level. Be it with us or some other club, players with that level of quality will always get noticed. I find it impossible to believe that if Gerrard had been released at the age of 17 he wouldn't have been picked up somewhere else down the line, going on to be the world-class midfielder/forward we know. His ability, as with most other players, is developed in his younger days, after then it's mainly experience and confidence that needs ironing out.

Now, with other young players who aren't as naturally gifted but are potentially good enough (take Carragher for example) it isn't as clear-cut. Their value to the team is more in their consistency and attitude rather than their individual talent, and it's those players you need to look carefully at, because they may need phasing in gradually in order to learn the workings of the team that are necessary to do a consistent job. In Carragher's case I think it's also worth pointing out that defenders sometimes take longer to settle; to feel confident alongside other experienced players and allowing for time to develop to meet the physical demands of the game - I think this is something more attributed to defenders and also 'keepers than others. Put another way, you don't often see young 17,18,19,20 defenders come through and settle in quickly, whereas with forwards it's usually a lot quicker. To elaborate a bit on that, when you're a young defender moving into an experienced, well-drilled unit, you need to be phased in gradually, your position is more exposed than others and because of that you need the confidence of knowing the job, and that takes time. Generally, there's no sense in throwing any youngster in for a full 90' of premiership action, even more so for a defender as - naturally - they are more exposed than any other outfield player.

On the other end of the Gerrard/Owen/Fowler spectrum, you have players such as David Raven, Darren Potter, Jon Otsemobor, John Welsh and many others who just weren't good enough - they never had the ability, mainly in technical terms, to succeed at the top level. It's those in the middle that you have to pay special attention to, Warnock being one who came pretty close I think.

by **flamingpoe** » Sat Aug 01, 2009 1:17 am

for me pacheco is defianately gonna need another season as a reserve maybe because i think he is a incredible player, sometimes he shows flashes of sheer unalloyed delight but other times he dissapears some what and because he doesn't have the strength to cope with running after the bigger players and taking it off them he isn't quite a torres yet!, that said he has good control and skill and has alot of potential and he would benefit being brought on if we r 3:0 up against say aston villa, he was toughted to be the player of barcelonas youth team before he came to us by the reserve training coach to be the striker of the bunch and tht youth team 2 years ago i do believe had a player known as bojan krkic him being 18 at the time!!, so he cant b all bad

nemeth i reckon could be brought on as second team strikers with babel so that they can partner together i think that nemeth playing at the top level will make him want to step up, because he has in my eyes waited for this chance and from what i can see he is one of those strikers that has great positioning, he has a a sort of instinct to be in the right place at the right time

, he has half decent control on his strikes aswell, he has a bit of strength thats where the premiership is suited to him, so i would for 1 like to see him next season......

by **redbeergoggles** » Sat Aug 01, 2009 2:07 am

When I first seen Nemeth turn out for the reserves ,he was the closest thing I had ever seen to a natural poacher since Fowler .

by **Sabre** » Fri Jul 23, 2010 12:31 pm

I recover this thread in order to ask you about Pacheco and share some info I think it hasn't been mentioned.

Dani Pacheco is currently playing the sub 19 competition in which he scored 2 goals recently and is playing pretty well.

The thing is that after this two goals Dani said (translated by me)

"I really needed these two goals for my morale, which was low. My future with my club is uncertain, and I needed some confidence".

So the question is, have you heard anything about Dani's future? Would you sell him? a loan to a Spanish club (I know more than one would be interested)?

by **ben oseman** » Fri Jul 23, 2010 12:32 pm

keep them both

by **Ben Patrick** » Fri Jul 23, 2010 1:11 pm

Sabre wrote:I recover this thread in order to ask you about Pacheco and share some info I think it hasn't been mentioned.

Dani Pacheco is currently playing the sub 19 competition in which he scored 2 goals recently and is playing pretty well.

The thing is that after this two goals Dani said (translated by me)

"I really needed these two goals for my morale, which was low. My future with my club is uncertain, and I needed some confidence".

So the question is, have you heard anything about Dani's future? Would you sell him? a loan to a Spanish club (I know more than one would be interested)?

I definately wouldnt sell Pacheco. He was one of the best performers last season for the ressies, admittedly a very poor standard though.
Considering the chronic lack of options we had in attack it was one of my biggest gripes with the manager last season.

by **ben oseman** » Fri Jul 23, 2010 1:12 pm

like i said, keep them both, gives us summat extra

by **Tim LFC** » Fri Jul 23, 2010 1:39 pm

Where the hell is Nemeth? Surely he should be training with lads in pre-season? Some people say he's injured other people say he's been sold! Can someone clarify where the hell he is?

by **ben oseman** » Fri Jul 23, 2010 1:41 pm

injured blud

by **Tim LFC** » Fri Jul 23, 2010 2:32 pm

That's good he better not be sold!

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