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by **Rorschach26** » Mon Jul 27, 2009 4:31 pm

Nando26 wrote:
bigmick wrote:Ace quite simply must be a Manc because he has started a thread on our spending, it's obvious

So anyway, S@int has said about four times by reckoning that we have now spent more gross AND net than the Mancs since Rafa took over. Is anybody disputing that? I've seen a bit of posturing, a bit of "yes but lets look at who we've signed" and all that mallarkey, but is anyone disputing the bare figures? If they are, lets see some evidence.

No? well lets stop bringing "spend" into the equation then every five minutes as an excuse, lets stop making silly statements which disrespect some former excellent players (Didi Hamann degenerated, unbelieveable to be frank) and move on. Hopefully at the end of this season, we won't need to be thinking of reasons why we haven't won a trophy, hopefully we'll win the league and nobody will care about how much we've spent then.

ere we go! ill pop my readers on and go make a black coffee

boring tw.at

Again this was my BROTHER not me

by **Rorschach26** » Mon Jul 27, 2009 4:35 pm

RedBlood wrote:i think some people on here would say someone in a wheelchair was using that as an excuse for being at the long jump

we might have spent more then utd net over the last 5 years but facts are we had to just to get close to them, also rafa has had to slowly buy his squad because he cant go out and buy 20million players like their going out of fashion

fergie had a problem with centre mid a couple of seasons ago so he went out and bought carrick hargreaves and anderson all of whitch wasnt too far off 20million and without the need to sell to raise those funds

See this

here this is RedBlood hes my BROTHER the 1 whos trying to get me banned by insulting people

RedBlood you write anythin else on my username im gonna stretch your foreskin round this keyboard & stick the monitor up your ar.se

by **Rorschach26** » Mon Jul 27, 2009 4:36 pm

loooool ive just realised im on my old account looooool

i bet this is confusing as :censored:

by **red37** » Mon Jul 27, 2009 4:38 pm

Well, unfortunately your 'brother' earned a yellow card for it. Besides, couldn't you say it to his face or on the blower instead...

No need for spamming up the thread of the summer with it.

by **lakes10** » Mon Jul 27, 2009 4:58 pm

i think the point about how much we have spent under Rafa can only come down to one thing, who was the team doing the year before he come and how did it do last year.

if you look at that one thing then you can only come up with one thing and that it was worth it, but only due to us having one good year in the prem.

if you start looking at all the other years he has been here you would have very good grounds to say he has wasted a lot of money and for a fact some of the players that have been at our club since he has been here are :censored:

....some say a few are still here.

by **GYBS** » Mon Jul 27, 2009 4:59 pm

Penguins wrote:From the 1st time I saw Ngog until now nothing has changed in my opinion about him.

He is nowhere near top 4 quaility. I rate Voronin and Nameth higher even if they also are a drop a bit to steep after Torres.

Well, even if I agree we need a backup to Torres I can not see one coming. Why?

1) Money seem a bit tight at the moment.
2) A backup good enough and better then what we have would cost 10-15 million.
3) Who wants to come here that is pretty good and knows he will sit on the bench?

I just hope Nemeth and Voronin will be the beckup and not Ngog. Only time he ever scores seem to be from the goalline.
Haven't once seen him do a defender and shoot it past the keeper 15+ yards out.

A goal is a goal at the end of the day - makes no odds where it is scored from - im pretty sure you dont get bonus points from a goal scored from 30 yards out .

by **GYBS** » Mon Jul 27, 2009 5:06 pm

P.s Here is highlights from the gam against PSV where Ngog scored the third after out pacing the defence and slotting the ball home nicely past the keeper - far from a tap in on the goal line :;):

PSV v Liverpool

by **Lando_Griffin** » Wed Jul 29, 2009 8:04 pm

aCe' wrote:okay.... seems like every thread at some point gets dragged out of track by talk about money spent and our owners not giving Rafa any sort of cash to spend..etc etc...
Even Rafa spoke about us being ManUtd in spending, which Ferguson denied but anyways... time to finally put this whole thing to bed and i thought we'd have it in a different thread rather than ruining other ongoing threads discussing this matter...

first off ill start with a table showing spending since 1992... this has nothing to do with Rafa before anyone starts typing their reply post now... its just to show things as they are and you make of it as you will i wont even comment on the figures below...

Just want to say, if anyone can spot any inaccuracies in the figures below just let me know and i'll change them if you make a valid point... for now the figures are as good as they come imo...
most are from http://transferleague.co.uk/ but i had to check some of the figures that didnt look right and i have to say they turned out correct.... still, if anyone knows otherwise ill check ..

1992-2010

Net Spend Purchased Sold Nett Per Season

1 Chelsea £556,690,000 £186,875,000 £369,815,000 £20,545,278
2 Man City £364,110,000 £80,553,000 £283,557,000 £15,753,167
3 Liverpool £392,615,000 £180,920,000 £217,695,000 £12,094,167
4 Man Utd £410,350,000 £275,565,000 £134,785,000 £7,488,056

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Anyways.... back to our spending under Rafa...

SPENT RECIEVED NET

Season 04/05

Scott Carson £1,000,000 El Hadji Diouf £4,000,000
Fernando Morientes £6,300,000 Vladimir Smicer Free
Mauricio Pellegrino Free Stephane Henchoz Free
Antonio Nunez Swap Chris Butler Free
Xabi Alonso £10,500,000 Michael Owen £8,000,000
Luis Garcia £6,000,000 Danny Murphy £2,500,000
Josemi £2,000,000 Markus Babbel Free
Djibril Cisse £14,000,000

Total £39,800,000 £14,500,000 £25,300,000

Season 05/06
Craig Bellamy £6,000,000 Calum Woods Signed
Robbie Fowler Free Bruno Cheyrou Signed
Daniel Agger £5,800,000 Zak Whitbread Free
David Martin Signed Conal Platt Free
Nabil El Zhar signed Fernando Morientes £3,000,000 J
an Kromkamp Swap John Welsh Swap
Paul Anderson Signed Josemi Swap
Jack Hobbs Signed Mark Smyth Free
Godwin Antwi Signed Paul Harrison Free
Peter Crouch £7,000,000 Milan Baros £6,500,000
Mohamed Sissoko £5,600,000 Ritchie Partridge Signed
Antonio Barragan £240,000 Antonio Nunez Signed
Boudewijn Zenden Free Gregory Vignal Free
Mark Gonzalez £4,500,000 Jon Otsemobor Free
Jose Reina £6,000,000 Mauricio Pellegrino Free
Total £35,140,000 £9,500,000 £25,640,000

Season 06/07
Lucas Pezzini Leiva £6,000,000 Danny O'Donnell £100,000
Francisco Manuel Dura Signed Florent Sinama Pongoll £2,700,000 J
avier Mascherano £1,500,000 Salif Diao Free
Alvaro Arbeloa £2,600,000 Stephen Warnock £1,500,000
Nabil El Zhar £200,000 Darren Potter £250,000
Dirk Kuyt £9,000,000 David Mannix Signed
Jermaine Pennant £6,700,000 Chris Kirkland £3,000,000
Fabiano Aurelio Free Jan Kromkamp £1,500,000
Gabriel Paletta £2,000,000 Neil Mellor £250,000
Djimi Traore £2,000,000
Antonio Barragan £680,000
Robbie Foy Free
Carl Medjani Signed
Dietmar Hamann £400,000
Ramon Calliste Free
David Raven Free
Total £28,000,000 £12,380,000 £15,620,000

Season 07/08
Javier Mascherano £17,100,000 Lee Peltier Signed
Martin Skrtel £6,000,000 Mohamed Sissoko £8,200,000
Damien Plessis Signed Gabriel Paletta Signed
Emiliano Insua £1,300,000 Robbie Fowler Free
Ryan Babel £11,500,000 Jerzy Dudek Free
Yossi Benayoun £5,000,000 Mark Gonzalez £4,200,000
Sebastian Leto £1,850,000 Craig Bellamy £7,500,000
Fernando Torres £20,500,000 Djibril Cisse £6,000,000
Charles-Hubert Itandje Signed Boudewijn Zenden Free
Andrei Voronin Free Luis Garcia £4,000,000
Total £63,250,000 £29,900,000 £39,350,00

Season 08/09
Philipp Degen Free Anthony Le Tallec Undisclosed
Andrea Dossena £7,000,000 Harry Kewell Free
Diego Cavalieri £3,500,000 Peter Crouch £10,000,000
Robbie Keane £20,300,000 Danny Gutherie £2,500,000
Vitor Flora Signed John Arne Riise £4,000,000
Alberto Riera £8,000,000 Scott Carson £3,250,000
David Ngog £1,500,000 Steve Finnan £1,000,000
Robbie Keane £15,000,000
Total £40,300,000 £35,750,000 £4,550,000

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Now for ManUtd because this seems to be the main debate...

Season 08/09
Demitar Berbatov £30,750,000 Ritchie Jones Free
Zoran Tosic £5,000,000 Chris Eagles £1,250,000
Adem Ljajic £5,000,000
Ritchie De Laet Undisclosed Michael Lea Free
Mikel Sylvestre £750,000
Louis Saha Signed
Total £40,750,000 £2,000,000 £38,750,000
Season 07/08
Manucho Signed Gerard Pique £6,000,000
Carlos Tevez £10,000,000 Kieran Lee Free
Nani £13,500,000 Phil Bardsley £2,000,000
Tomasz Kuszczak £2,500,000 Ryan Shawcross £1,000,000
Anderson £15,000,000 Adam Eckersley Free
Owen Hargreaves £17,000,000 Phil Marsh Free
Raphael De Silva £2,500,000 Gabriel Heinze £8,000,000
Fabio De Silva £2,600,000 Alan Smith £6,000,000
Rodrigo Possebon Signed Daniel Rose Signed
Giuseppe Rossi £6,700,000
Kieran Richardson £5,500,000
Total £63,100,000 £35,200,000 £27,900,000
Season 06/07
Michael Carrick £18,600,000 Tim Howard £3,000,000
David Jones £1,000,000
Liam Miller Free
Paul McShane Free
Luke Steele Signed
Ruud van Nistelrooy £10,300,000
Quinton Fortune Free
Sylvain Ebanks-Blake £200,000
Total £18,600,000 14,500,000 £4,100,000

Season 05/06
Patrice Evra £5,500,000 John Mikel Obi £12,000,000
Nemanja Vidic £7,000,000 Eddie Johnson Free
Ben Foster £1,000,000 Jonathan Spector £500,000
Ji-Sung Park £4,000,000 Tommy Lee Free
Edwin Van Der Sar £2,500,000 Phil Picken Free
Colin Heath Signed
Neil Wood Free
David Fox Free
Roy Keane Free
Kleberson £2,500,000
Phil Neville £3,500,000
Michael Stewart Signed
Paul Tierney Signed
David Bellion Undisclosed
Daniel Nardiello Free
Total £20,000,000 £18,500,000 £1,500,000
Season 04/05
Florent N'Galula £0 Steven Hogg Free
Wayne Rooney £27,000,000 Ricardo Free
Giuseppe Rossi £200,000 Roy Carroll Free
David Poole Free
Eric Djemba-Djemba £1,350,000
Bojan Djordjic Free
Diego Forlan £2,000,000
Luke Chadwick Free
Nicky Butt £2,500,000
Mark Lynch Signed
Total £27,200,000 £5,850,000 £21,350,00

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SOOOO.......

this is how the final thing looks like

Net Spend 04-10 Purchased Sold Nett Per Season
1 Manchester City £260,750,000 £49,900,000 £210,850,000 £35,141,667
2 Chelsea £266,450,000 £118,300,000 £148,150,000 £24,691,667
3 Liverpool £224,990,000 £105,280,000 £125,710,000 £20,951,667
7 Man Utd £188,650,000 £161,050,000 £27,600,000 £4,600,000
11 Arsenal £112,050,000 £114,820,000 -£2,770,000 -£461,667

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EDIT : Should probably add the 2009 because it figures in the list... going to Edit this as new transfer dealings are done to keep track of the spending......not a big difference in spending so far this summer but anyways....

LIVERPOOL
Season 09/10
Glen Johnson £18,500,000 Sami Hyypiä Free
Chris Mavinga Signed Jack Hobbs Signed
Paul Anderson £250,000
Sebastian Leto £3,000,000
Astrit Ajdarevic Free
Jermaine Pennant Free
Total £18,500,000 £3,250,000 £15,250,000

MAN UTD
Season 09/10
Antonio Valencia £16,000,000 Cristiano Ronaldo £80,000,000
Michael Owen Free Lee Martin £1,500,000
Gabriel Obertan £3,000,000 Fraizer Campbell £3,500,000
Mame Biram Diouf undisclosed Richard Eckersley Tribunal
Manucho undisclosed
Total £19,000,000 £85,000,000 -- £66,000,000

Well for a start, Cisse was Houliier's signing. The deal had been agreed for months.

Whiskey-nose had signed most of his current crop before 2004-05, and could afford to sit back on their squad, adding the odd £15-32m player as and when they liked.

But please - don't let facts get in the way of a godf Rafa-bash...

by **aCe'** » Wed Jul 29, 2009 8:53 pm

Cisse thing edited ...

by **Penguins** » Wed Jul 29, 2009 9:15 pm

GYBS wrote:P.s Here is highlights from the gam against PSV where Ngog scored the third after out pacing the defence and slotting the ball home nicely past the keeper - far from a tap in on the goal line

PSV v Liverpool

I stand corrected

But you understand the point I was trying to make..?
Right now I just don't think he looks capable as a backup to Torres.

Lando_Griffin:
Don't mention that so Saint can read it...

We were just as good as Man u when Rafa took over :;):

by **GYBS** » Wed Jul 29, 2009 9:32 pm

Well there isnt many strikers in the world capable of being back up for torres for a price of a million and is only 21 and willin to sit on the bench learning his trade .

by **bigmick** » Wed Jul 29, 2009 10:01 pm

GYBS wrote:Well there isnt many strikers in the world capable of being back up for torres for a price of a million and is only 21 and willin to sit on the bench learning his trade .

Totally agree. We've proven with N'Gog how difficult it is to find one. Finding someone who will sit on their erse waiting for the nod isn't difficult, I'd do that, it's finding someone who can actually contribute to the proceedings when he comes on which is the tricky bit.

N'Gog can't, he is a mile away from being good enough IMHO, and as such we should get somebody else. If we don't it may well cost us the title, as it arguably did last season.

by **GYBS** » Wed Jul 29, 2009 10:02 pm

bigmick wrote:
GYBS wrote:Well there isnt many strikers in the world capable of being back up for torres for a price of a million and is only 21 and willin to sit on the bench learning his trade .

Totally agree. We've proven with N'Gog how difficult it is to find one. Finding someone who will sit on their erse waiting for the nod isn't difficult, I'd do that, it's finding someone who can actually contribute to the proceedings when he comes on which is the tricky bit.

N'Gog can't, he is a mile away from being good enough IMHO, and as such we should get somebody else. If we don't it may well cost us the title, as it arguably did last season.

Got the money to pay for one mick ?

No ? didnt think so ?

And the lad did contribute last season - not massively as he didnt play that many times but he still contributed a number of times .

by **bigmick** » Wed Jul 29, 2009 10:21 pm

GYBS wrote:Got the money to pay for one mick ?

No ? didnt think so ?

Well I assume you don't mean me personally, I haven't got a pot to p!ss in. As far as the club itself is concerned, I don't know but I seriously hope we have. We managed to find 20 million quid last season to spend/spunk on a striker who we subsequently decided we didn't like anymore (Fecking Parry :angry:

) so presumeably we recognised at that stage that we would need some cover.

I'll make a prediction for you here and now mate. If we even attempt to go into the new seasonw ith our current crop of three centre halves, or even attempt to go into the new season with our current striker cover, we wil come majorly unstuck.

Life is like that. A couple of seasons ago we spent the whole Summer trying unsuccessfully to sign Heinz, only to fail at the last moment and go into the new season with three centre halves. Only a couple of weeks past, and inevitably we had injuries and suspensions and suddenlly we were fecked. Fortunately for us, this was in the period where we still believed making six and seven changes to the team per game was the way to go at the start of the season, so we were of course out of the title race after 10 games in any case and nobody cared much about the centre back situation.

Just last season, after destroying Keane we flicked him on at a cool 8.5 million quid loss as we didn't need him. Needless to say within two weeks both Torres and Gerrard were injured, and the whole thing went pear-shaped.

If N'Gog and Voronin are our striker cover, we are going to need to be unbelieveably lucky with injuries.

by **bunglemark2** » Wed Jul 29, 2009 10:23 pm

Voronin will scor 15+ this season, mark my words.....So will Eggnog

(No, I have NOT been drinking Poitin !)

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