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by **heimdall** » Sun Jul 26, 2009 11:30 pm

bavlondon wrote:Could we really have bought a few 30milplayers? Surley we would have been short in many positions then?

Which positions? You have to admit that have been a hell of a lot of comings and goings for us, far more than for Manure but maybe that is to be expected of a new manager figuring out the league. In any case we now have a very good team and pretty good squad so as said who cares about the money we are no more or less on a level playing field with manure so lets judge it from this point on, is everybody agreed?

by **Igor Zidane** » Sun Jul 26, 2009 11:35 pm

s@int wrote:2007 liverpool buys :-

Arbeloa - £2.5million, Mascherano -£18.5million, Lucas -£5million, Leto £1.5million, Torres £21million,Benayoun £5million, Babel £11.5million, Insua - £1.5million. plus a couple of undisclosed fees. Near enough £70million Igor add on Torres and Lucas's clauses and you are talking nearer £80million. We could have bought a couple of £30million players if we had wanted mate.

The mancs have only ever signed one £30million player and I wouldn't swop him for Torres anyway (I would swop him for Kuyt ..... sorry gybs)

The mancs have just sold a player for £80million, which goes a fair way to balancing their books don't you think? If we had just sold Torres for £60million would you be celebrating that we might have spent less net than the mancs....... or desolate that we had just sold one of our best two players ? I know which I would be doing and it wouldn't be celebrating mate.

You've just made my point for me

Man u players in 2007 to add to the team that just won the league .

Date Pos. Name From Fee
1 July 2007 MF Owen Hargreaves Bayern Munich Undisclosed[13]
2 July 2007 MF Anderson Porto
2 July 2007 MF Nani Sporting (£30 million in total)
2 July 2007 GK Tomasz Kuszczak Undisclosed[14]
1 January 2008 FW Manucho Undisclosed[15]
30 January 2008 MF Rodrigo Possebon Internacional Undisclosed[16]
13 June 2008 FW Davide Petrucci Roma £200k[17]

the team they already had

Edwin van der Sar

Gary Neville ©
Patrice Evra
Gabriel Heinze
Rio Ferdinand
Wes Brown
Cristiano Ronaldo Wayne Rooney
Louis Saha Ryan Giggs Park Ji-Sung
Alan Smith
Nemanja Vidic
Michael Carrick
Henrik Larsson
Paul Scholes
Ole Gunnar Solskjær Dong Fangzhuo
John O'Shea
Kieran Richardson
Darren Fletcher Mikaël Silvestre

by **Igor Zidane** » Sun Jul 26, 2009 11:42 pm

Soz saint lad it's abit all over the place ,but you can see the squad they already had .

by **account deleted by request** » Sun Jul 26, 2009 11:42 pm

Sorry mate, those are in 2007 AND 2008 ?

If you want I will list 2008 players as well ? Skrtel £6.5million, Dossena £8million, Caveliari £4million, Ngog £1.5million, Keane £20million, Riera, £8million. so add another £50million on Igor, that brings the running total up to £130million in two years mate.

by **Igor Zidane** » Sun Jul 26, 2009 11:48 pm

s@int wrote:Sorry mate, those are in 2007 AND 2008 ?

If you want I will list 2008 players as well ? Skrtel £6.5million, Dossena £8million, Caveliari £4million, Ngog £1.5million, Keane £20million, Riera, £8million. so add another £50million on Igor, that brings the running total up to £130million in two years mate.

I'm not arguing the amount of money mate . What i'm saying is they can by in the £15million and above bracket time and time again . Where as we can by maybe one player at £15 -£20 million and the rest are well you can see

by **account deleted by request** » Sun Jul 26, 2009 11:48 pm

Igor Zidane wrote:Soz saint lad it's abit all over the place ,but you can see the squad they already had .

Yet that super duper wonderful squad won nothing in 2005 while we were winning the CL, won only the lc in 2006 while we were winning the FA CUP (AFTER BEATING THEM).

The only reason the mancs came good is because Ronaldo came good mate. Look at the players they have bought since 2006 none of them have made any real impact.

by **Igor Zidane** » Sun Jul 26, 2009 11:52 pm

s@int wrote:
Igor Zidane wrote:Soz saint lad it's abit all over the place ,but you can see the squad they already had .

Yet that super duper wonderful squad won nothing in 2005 while we were winning the CL, won only the lc in 2006 while we were winning the FA CUP (AFTER BEATING THEM).

That super duper squad just won the league , never mind what went before ,and they added to it . They have the finacial power to keep adding £15 £20 £30 million players time and again .

by **account deleted by request** » Sun Jul 26, 2009 11:54 pm

Sorry mate I had slipped my answer in as an afterthought so I will post it again :-

The only reason the mancs came good is because Ronaldo came good mate. Look at the players they have bought since 2006 none of them have made any real impact

Carrick the last player to make an impact was bought in 2006

by **RedBlood** » Mon Jul 27, 2009 12:04 am

i think some people on here would say someone in a wheelchair was using that as an excuse for being :censored:

at the long jump

we might have spent more then utd net over the last 5 years but facts are we had to just to get close to them, also rafa has had to slowly buy his squad because he cant go out and buy 20million players like their going out of fashion

fergie had a problem with centre mid a couple of seasons ago so he went out and bought carrick hargreaves and anderson all of whitch wasnt too far off 20million and without the need to sell to raise those funds

by **Igor Zidane** » Mon Jul 27, 2009 12:04 am

s@int wrote:Sorry mate I had slipped my answer in as an afterthought so I will post it again :-

The only reason the mancs came good is because Ronaldo came good mate. Look at the players they have bought since 2006 none of them have made any real impact.

That's not the point mate , the point i'm trying to make is they have the ability to buy them players at that price . Wether they make an impact or not is down to wether you think ferguson is good in the transfer market or not or is a good manager. He's obviously doing something right (as much as i hate to admit it .)

And the only reason the mancs came good cos of ronaldo thing .Well i can say that the only reason they won last season was because gerrard and torres were injured to many times . That's why we lost it .

by **account deleted by request** » Mon Jul 27, 2009 12:19 am

Igor Zidane wrote:
s@int wrote:Sorry mate I had slipped my answer in as an afterthought so I will post it again :-

The only reason the mancs came good is because Ronaldo came good mate. Look at the players they have bought since 2006 none of them have made any real impact.

That's not the point mate , the point i'm trying to make is they have the ability to buy them players at that price . Wether they make an impact or not is down to wether you think ferguson is good in the transfer market or not or is a good manager. He's obviously doing something right (as much as i hate to admit it .)

And the only reason the mancs came good cos of ronaldo thing .Well i can say that the only reason they won last season was because gerrard and torres were injured to many times . That's why we lost it .

So could we if we sold our best players for big money mate.

They have sold Stam for £16.5m, , Beckham £25million, Veron £15million, Van Nistelrooy £11m, Ronaldo £80m. Thats not counting the multitude of players they have sold for £6m or so.

We have sold Fowler £12m and Keane £12m (I may have missed another player but I can't think who)

We don't sell our best players apart from Owen and maybe Alonso (if he goes)

by **Igor Zidane** » Mon Jul 27, 2009 12:24 am

s@int wrote:
Igor Zidane wrote:
s@int wrote:Sorry mate I had slipped my answer in as an afterthought so I will post it again :-

The only reason the mancs came good is because Ronaldo came good mate. Look at the players they have bought since 2006 none of them have made any real impact.

That's not the point mate , the point i'm trying to make is they have the ability to buy them players at that price . Wether they make an impact or not is down to wether you think ferguson is good in the transfer market or not or is a good manager. He's obviously doing something right (as much as i hate to admit it .)

And the only reason the mancs came good cos of ronaldo thing .Well i can say that the only reason they won last season was because gerrard and torres were injured to many times . That's why we lost it .

So could we if we sold our best players for big money mate.

They have sold Stam for £16.5m, , Beckham £25million, Veron £15million, Van Nistelrooy £11m, Ronaldo £80m. Thats not counting the multitude of players they have sold for £6m or so.

We have sold Fowler £12m and Keane £12m (I may have missed another player but I can't think who)

We don't sell our best players apart from Owen and maybe Alonso (if he goes)

We can't afford to sell our best players , who's going to replace them .

by **bigmick** » Mon Jul 27, 2009 12:26 am

They sold that Frazier Campbell bloke for 7 mill a couple of weeks back too. It's odd to me though how this debate always gets turned into a "there's too many Rafa bashers" session. People throw it in as an excuse, denounce in advance anybody who dares to dispute their numbers, and then when someone proves them to be talking nonsense they say "aw what the feck does it matter anyway".

It doesn't matter. Stop bringing it up then, just accept the FACT that we have spent as much if not more money under Rafa as just about anyone else, and as such it is reasonable to expect a modicum of success. We haven't won a trophy for three seasons, hopefully we will this time around and the debate can be put properly into context.

by **account deleted by request** » Mon Jul 27, 2009 12:27 am

Igor Zidane wrote:
s@int wrote:
Igor Zidane wrote:
s@int wrote:Sorry mate I had slipped my answer in as an afterthought so I will post it again :-

The only reason the mancs came good is because Ronaldo came good mate. Look at the players they have bought since 2006 none of them have made any real impact.

That's not the point mate , the point i'm trying to make is they have the ability to buy them players at that price . Wether they make an impact or not is down to wether you think ferguson is good in the transfer market or not or is a good manager. He's obviously doing something right (as much as i hate to admit it .)

And the only reason the mancs came good cos of ronaldo thing .Well i can say that the only reason they won last season was because gerrard and torres were injured to many times . That's why we lost it .

So could we if we sold our best players for big money mate.

They have sold Stam for £16.5m, , Beckham £25million, Veron £15million, Van Nistelrooy £11m, Ronaldo £80m. Thats not counting the multitude of players they have sold for £6m or so.

We have sold Fowler £12m and Keane £12m (I may have missed another player but I can't think who)

We don't sell our best players apart from Owen and maybe Alonso (if he goes)

We can't afford to sell our best players , who's going to replace them .

We have bought enough young lads over the last 5 years maybe time for one or two of them to be given a go mate?

by **Igor Zidane** » Mon Jul 27, 2009 12:30 am

s@int wrote:
Igor Zidane wrote:
s@int wrote:
Igor Zidane wrote:
s@int wrote:Sorry mate I had slipped my answer in as an afterthought so I will post it again :-

The only reason the mancs came good is because Ronaldo came good mate. Look at the players they have bought since 2006 none of them have made any real impact.

That's not the point mate , the point i'm trying to make is they have the ability to buy them players at that price . Wether they make an impact or not is down to wether you think ferguson is good in the transfer market or not or is a good manager. He's obviously doing something right (as much as i hate to admit it .)

And the only reason the mancs came good cos of ronaldo thing .Well i can say that the only reason they won last season was because gerrard and torres were injured to many times . That's why we lost it .

So could we if we sold our best players for big money mate.

They have sold Stam for £16.5m, , Beckham £25million, Veron £15million, Van Nistelrooy £11m, Ronaldo £80m. Thats not counting the multitude of players they have sold for £6m or so.

We have sold Fowler £12m and Keane £12m (I may have missed another player but I can't think who)

We don't sell our best players apart from Owen and maybe Alonso (if he goes)

We can't afford to sell our best players , who's going to replace them .

We have bought enough young lads over the last 5 years maybe time for one or two of them to be given a go mate?

Maybe your right mate . I've just said in the Singapore thread that Rafa should play Nemeth pancake and hamill in the next few pre-season games and see if there up to it . Personally i think they are and could save us a good few bob .

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