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by **bigmick** » Sun Jul 26, 2009 9:18 pm

Ace quite simply must be a Manc because he has started a thread on our spending, it's obvious

So anyway, S@int has said about four times by reckoning that we have now spent more gross AND net than the Mancs since Rafa took over. Is anybody disputing that? I've seen a bit of posturing, a bit of "yes but lets look at who we've signed" and all that mallarkey, but is anyone disputing the bare figures? If they are, lets see some evidence.

No? well lets stop bringing "spend" into the equation then every five minutes as an excuse, lets stop making silly statements which disrespect some former excellent players (Didi Hamann degenerated, unbelieveable to be frank) and move on. Hopefully at the end of this season, we won't need to be thinking of reasons why we haven't won a trophy, hopefully we'll win the league and nobody will care about how much we've spent then.

by **JC_81** » Sun Jul 26, 2009 9:31 pm

Does it really matter that Benitez's net or gross spend is more than United's since he took over? Look at the gulf in squad quality and depth when Benitez took over and look at it now. The gap has been well and truly cut to the point where I wouldn't say United are clear favourites to finish above us this season, it will be very close.

I don't think people appreciate how difficult a job Benitez had here. We may have been a team finishing consistently in the top 4 under Houllier, but we were clearly in decline. His signings have been hit and miss, but we have fairly steadily improved over the five years since he's been here.

We needed a lot of cash and a good manager to close that gap, and over the 5 years we've had both of those things and very nearly succeeded in winning the Premiership last year. This year I fancy us to go one better.

by **Nando26** » Sun Jul 26, 2009 9:48 pm

bigmick wrote:Ace quite simply must be a Manc because he has started a thread on our spending, it's obvious

So anyway, S@int has said about four times by reckoning that we have now spent more gross AND net than the Mancs since Rafa took over. Is anybody disputing that? I've seen a bit of posturing, a bit of "yes but lets look at who we've signed" and all that mallarkey, but is anyone disputing the bare figures? If they are, lets see some evidence.

No? well lets stop bringing "spend" into the equation then every five minutes as an excuse, lets stop making silly statements which disrespect some former excellent players (Didi Hamann degenerated, unbelieveable to be frank) and move on. Hopefully at the end of this season, we won't need to be thinking of reasons why we haven't won a trophy, hopefully we'll win the league and nobody will care about how much we've spent then.

ere we go! ill pop my readers on and go make a black coffee

boring tw.at

by **bigmick** » Sun Jul 26, 2009 9:51 pm

Nando26 wrote:
bigmick wrote:Ace quite simply must be a Manc because he has started a thread on our spending, it's obvious

So anyway, S@int has said about four times by reckoning that we have now spent more gross AND net than the Mancs since Rafa took over. Is anybody disputing that? I've seen a bit of posturing, a bit of "yes but lets look at who we've signed" and all that mallarkey, but is anyone disputing the bare figures? If they are, lets see some evidence.

No? well lets stop bringing "spend" into the equation then every five minutes as an excuse, lets stop making silly statements which disrespect some former excellent players (Didi Hamann degenerated, unbelieveable to be frank) and move on. Hopefully at the end of this season, we won't need to be thinking of reasons why we haven't won a trophy, hopefully we'll win the league and nobody will care about how much we've spent then.

ere we go! ill pop my readers on and go make a black coffee

boring tw.at

Didn't take you long to work me out fella. Good post though, you'll have many friends on here I'm sure.

by **fivecups** » Sun Jul 26, 2009 9:51 pm

Nando26 wrote:
bigmick wrote:Ace quite simply must be a Manc because he has started a thread on our spending, it's obvious

So anyway, S@int has said about four times by reckoning that we have now spent more gross AND net than the Mancs since Rafa took over. Is anybody disputing that? I've seen a bit of posturing, a bit of "yes but lets look at who we've signed" and all that mallarkey, but is anyone disputing the bare figures? If they are, lets see some evidence.

No? well lets stop bringing "spend" into the equation then every five minutes as an excuse, lets stop making silly statements which disrespect some former excellent players (Didi Hamann degenerated, unbelieveable to be frank) and move on. Hopefully at the end of this season, we won't need to be thinking of reasons why we haven't won a trophy, hopefully we'll win the league and nobody will care about how much we've spent then.

ere we go! ill pop my readers on and go make a black coffee

boring tw.at

Posts like this that contribute nothing to the thread but are just blatant insults must merit some sort of card/ ban under the new rules? (which I must admit I haven't properly read

)

by **bigmick** » Sun Jul 26, 2009 9:53 pm

fivecups wrote:
Nando26 wrote:
bigmick wrote:Ace quite simply must be a Manc because he has started a thread on our spending, it's obvious

So anyway, S@int has said about four times by reckoning that we have now spent more gross AND net than the Mancs since Rafa took over. Is anybody disputing that? I've seen a bit of posturing, a bit of "yes but lets look at who we've signed" and all that mallarkey, but is anyone disputing the bare figures? If they are, lets see some evidence.

No? well lets stop bringing "spend" into the equation then every five minutes as an excuse, lets stop making silly statements which disrespect some former excellent players (Didi Hamann degenerated, unbelieveable to be frank) and move on. Hopefully at the end of this season, we won't need to be thinking of reasons why we haven't won a trophy, hopefully we'll win the league and nobody will care about how much we've spent then.

ere we go! ill pop my readers on and go make a black coffee

boring tw.at

Posts like this that contribute nothing to the thread but are just blatant insults must merit some sort of card/ ban under the new rules? (which I must admit I haven't properly read )

On the contrary mate, I think you'll probably find that such posts are just fine. He has a nifty turn of phrase though I'll give him that.

by **aCe'** » Sun Jul 26, 2009 10:08 pm

Nando lad you should take a look at the takeover thread... theyre taking nominations for mod positions; you're a shoe in i'd say ...

by **bigmick** » Sun Jul 26, 2009 10:13 pm

john craig wrote:Does it really matter that Benitez's net or gross spend is more than United's since he took over? Look at the gulf in squad quality and depth when Benitez took over and look at it now. The gap has been well and truly cut to the point where I wouldn't say United are clear favourites to finish above us this season, it will be very close.

It depends on how you look at it John as to whether it matters. I think it's not relevent in terms of judging whether we've been successful or not, simply because the gap in terms of spending changes from signing to signing, from sale to sale. At the moment we've spent more because they've just sold Ronaldo, I'm sure though they'll catch up at some point once we sell a player or two.

Given that though, I don't think it's reasonable to trot it out as an excuse every five minures as a poster did over the weekend. We've spent lots, as much as just about anybody else so we should stand or fall on our results.

As for the Mancs team against ours when rafa took over, S@int has written some very interesting posts on that subject and they're definately worth a read.

Then you've got another poster claiming we've spent 2 million a season more than Sunderland :laugh:

and it all gets a bit daft.

by **red37** » Sun Jul 26, 2009 10:14 pm

Stay on topic folks.

Btw...you lot stick to your half of the bargain and let the mods do theirs, right?

Right.

by **Igor Zidane** » Sun Jul 26, 2009 10:29 pm

Whatever we've spent in relation to anyone else is a bit of a red herring i think . It's hard to exlplain what i'm getting at really ,but i'll try .
Man u have the ability to go and by say 2 maybe three players in the £15 -£20 million range in one transfer window and go spend £30 million on a berbatov. Where as Rafa can only really by a Torres and then the rest depends on what he can rake in in sales . Fergie can more or less plan his transfer window in advance knowing what he needs and go get them . Rafa's buy are more dependant on other factors ,like player sales and price range . Does that make any sense?

by **tubby** » Sun Jul 26, 2009 10:33 pm

Igor Zidane wrote:Whatever we've spent in relation to anyone else is a bit of a red herring i think . It's hard to exlplain what i'm getting at really ,but i'll try .
Man u have the ability to go and by say 2 maybe three players in the £15 -£20 million range in one transfer window and go spend £30 million on a berbatov. Where as Rafa can only really by a Torres and then the rest depends on what he can rake in in sales . Fergie can more or less plan his transfer window in advance knowing what he needs and go get them . Rafa's buy are more dependant on other factors ,like player sales and price range . Does that make any sense?

Makes perfect sense to me. If only everyone else saw the light.

Anyway none of this means :censored:

all. The season is about to start so let's not all be talking about this nonsense.

by **account deleted by request** » Sun Jul 26, 2009 11:00 pm

2007 liverpool buys :-

Arbeloa - £2.5million, Mascherano -£18.5million, Lucas -£5million, Leto £1.5million, Torres £21million,Benayoun £5million, Babel £11.5million, Insua - £1.5million. plus a couple of undisclosed fees. Near enough £70million Igor add on Torres and Lucas's clauses and you are talking nearer £80million. We could have bought a couple of £30million players if we had wanted mate.

The mancs have only ever signed one £30million player and I wouldn't swop him for Torres anyway (I would swop him for Kuyt ..... sorry gybs)

The mancs have just sold a player for £80million, which goes a fair way to balancing their books don't you think? If we had just sold Torres for £60million would you be celebrating that we might have spent less net than the mancs....... or desolate that we had just sold one of our best two players ? I know which I would be doing and it wouldn't be celebrating mate.

All I am asking for is that after over £200million spent and over 110 transfers in and out over the last 5 years, we judge our performances and results on their merits and without throwing in the excuse of lack of finance.

If needs must think up another excuse but save me from having this argument every few months ...... please

by **agoodmentality** » Sun Jul 26, 2009 11:15 pm

s@int wrote:2007 liverpool buys :-

Arbeloa - £2.5million, Mascherano -£18.5million, Lucas -£5million, Leto £1.5million, Torres £21million,Benayoun £5million, Babel £11.5million, Insua - £1.5million. plus a couple of undisclosed fees. Near enough £70million Igor add on Torres and Lucas's clauses and you are talking nearer £80million. We could have bought a couple of £30million players if we had wanted mate.

The mancs have only ever signed one £30million player and I wouldn't swop him for Torres anyway (I would swop him for Kuyt ..... sorry gybs)

The mancs have just sold a player for £80million, which goes a fair way to balancing their books don't you think? If we had just sold Torres for £60million would you be celebrating that we might have spent less net than the mancs....... or desolate that we had just sold one of our best two players ? I know which I would be doing and it wouldn't be celebrating mate.

or maybey they would prefer us to sell Xabi and Mash for £60M

replace them with cattermole and aquilani

i'm sure we'd be £30M up on the balance sheet.

who gives one about the price,,

i just want the best players playing in a red shirt.

anybody remember pre season 1987/88,,,we bought barnes, beardsley and aldridge,,,

They cost a bloody fortune at the time do i give a fluc?

NO

by **tubby** » Sun Jul 26, 2009 11:15 pm

Could we really have bought a few 30milplayers? Surley we would have been short in many positions then?

by **account deleted by request** » Sun Jul 26, 2009 11:18 pm

agoodmentality wrote:
s@int wrote:2007 liverpool buys :-

Arbeloa - £2.5million, Mascherano -£18.5million, Lucas -£5million, Leto £1.5million, Torres £21million,Benayoun £5million, Babel £11.5million, Insua - £1.5million. plus a couple of undisclosed fees. Near enough £70million Igor add on Torres and Lucas's clauses and you are talking nearer £80million. We could have bought a couple of £30million players if we had wanted mate.

The mancs have only ever signed one £30million player and I wouldn't swop him for Torres anyway (I would swop him for Kuyt ..... sorry gybs)

The mancs have just sold a player for £80million, which goes a fair way to balancing their books don't you think? If we had just sold Torres for £60million would you be celebrating that we might have spent less net than the mancs....... or desolate that we had just sold one of our best two players ? I know which I would be doing and it wouldn't be celebrating mate.

or maybey they would prefer us to sell Xabi and Mash for £60M

replace them with cattermole and aquilani

i'm sure we'd be £30M up on the balance sheet.

who gives one about the price,,

i just want the best players playing in a red shirt.

anybody remember pre season 1987/88,,,we bought barnes, beardsley and aldridge,,,

They cost a bloody fortune at the time do i give a fluc?

NO

And there we have the post that says it all really ..... spot on mate :buttrock

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