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by **bigmick** » Thu Jul 23, 2009 12:11 pm

GYBS wrote:i guess most wouldnt give a monkeys to be honest mate - all i want know is for the guy to be as unsuccessful as possible and win feck all with them

I don't really understand this point. We "don't give a monkeys" about what? we all hope he fails so surely that's "giving a monkeys". If he scored loads of goals and fired them to the title are you saying we wouldn't care

I think what you mean is that you'd really rather we swept the whole thing under the carpet and forgot about the debate about whether we should have signed him or not. That's not goign to happen, regardless of how well he does. If he gets injured next week, I fully expect those that didn't think we should have signed him to come on here and rejoice in his misfortune. Even though a bad season for him will prove me wrong, I'll rejoice with them.

It's very much like a new signing though, you don't know if it's really worked out until a fair amount of time has passed. If we really have passed up the opportunity though to sign a top class goalscorer on a free though (and it is a million miles away from being proven that we have at the moment) then all Liverpool supporters really ought to "give a monkeys".

Rafa has made a call. Lets hope this one is more Torres than it is Dossena. We all give a monkeys though, be serious.

by **lakes10** » Thu Jul 23, 2009 12:21 pm

bigmick wrote:
GYBS wrote:i guess most wouldnt give a monkeys to be honest mate - all i want know is for the guy to be as unsuccessful as possible and win feck all with them

I don't really understand this point. We "don't give a monkeys" about what? we all hope he fails so surely that's "giving a monkeys". If he scored loads of goals and fired them to the title are you saying we wouldn't care

I think what you mean is that you'd really rather we swept the whole thing under the carpet and forgot about the debate about whether we should have signed him or not. That's not goign to happen, regardless of how well he does. If he gets injured next week, I fully expect those that didn't think we should have signed him to come on here and rejoice in his misfortune. Even though a bad season for him will prove me wrong, I'll rejoice with them.

It's very much like a new signing though, you don't know if it's really worked out until a fair amount of time has passed. If we really have passed up the opportunity though to sign a top class goalscorer on a free though (and it is a million miles away from being proven that we have at the moment) then all Liverpool supporters really ought to "give a monkeys".

Rafa has made a call. Lets hope this one is more Torres than it is Dossena. We all give a monkeys though, be serious.

by **Madmax** » Thu Jul 23, 2009 4:55 pm

The fecker will score but i just doubt he will have an injury free season. Somewhere down the line he will be crocked for a few months. Anyhow he is still a threat so fingers crossed he dont score too many.

by **redhayesy** » Thu Jul 23, 2009 9:44 pm

mkingdom wrote:
GYBS wrote:who fecking cares - he is a manc

As was Tevez, but many on here were playing with themselves at the thought of him coming to LFC.

His actions are strange at best, and at worst down right offensive to LFC, doesn't mean we shouldn't have signed him before he had a chance to go to Man U.

well i for one wasn't mate! for the reasons iv'e always have said an always will,fecking tevez will never be worthy of wearing the famous red shirt an signing for the other manc tw@ts just sums him up- once a manc,always a manc.

can't wait for this season when we play man sh1ty to sing the brilliant tevez song. 'hurman munsters son' sums him up brilliantly for me. he is an offence an always will be to LFC.

by **redbeergoggles** » Thu Jul 23, 2009 10:26 pm

bigmick wrote:
GYBS wrote:i guess most wouldnt give a monkeys to be honest mate - all i want know is for the guy to be as unsuccessful as possible and win feck all with them

I don't really understand this point. We "don't give a monkeys" about what? we all hope he fails so surely that's "giving a monkeys". If he scored loads of goals and fired them to the title are you saying we wouldn't care

I think what you mean is that you'd really rather we swept the whole thing under the carpet and forgot about the debate about whether we should have signed him or not. That's not goign to happen, regardless of how well he does. If he gets injured next week, I fully expect those that didn't think we should have signed him to come on here and rejoice in his misfortune. Even though a bad season for him will prove me wrong, I'll rejoice with them.

It's very much like a new signing though, you don't know if it's really worked out until a fair amount of time has passed. If we really have passed up the opportunity though to sign a top class goalscorer on a free though (and it is a million miles away from being proven that we have at the moment) then all Liverpool supporters really ought to "give a monkeys".

Rafa has made a call. Lets hope this one is more Torres than it is Dossena. We all give a monkeys though, be serious.

I think what he's referring to Mick is regardless of success or failure the repetitious quoting of his name should be no longer pertinent on this or any other forum, he has gone disappeared up the East Lancs along with any legacy he was entitled to .

I think in terms of a phrase to describe his status amongst Scousers the most apt would "be dead to us" or maybe that's just me being slightly clinical .

by **JC_81** » Thu Jul 23, 2009 11:22 pm

I have every confidence the lad will be crocked by September, maybe October at a push. I'm not wishing that on him, but with injuries, history always repeats itself.

He'll score when fit, but my bet is he'll start no more than 15 league games for them this season and won't score 10 league goals.

by **account deleted by request** » Thu Jul 23, 2009 11:24 pm

john craig wrote:I have every confidence the lad will be crocked by September, maybe October at a push. I'm not wishing that on him, but with injuries, history always repeats itself.

He'll score when fit, but my bet is he'll start no more than 15 league games for them this season and won't score 10 league goals.

Isn't that just what we could do with though John. Someone who scores 10 goals in fifteen games wouldn't be that bad would it mate?

by **JC_81** » Thu Jul 23, 2009 11:31 pm

s@int wrote:
john craig wrote:I have every confidence the lad will be crocked by September, maybe October at a push. I'm not wishing that on him, but with injuries, history always repeats itself.

He'll score when fit, but my bet is he'll start no more than 15 league games for them this season and won't score 10 league goals.

Isn't that just what we could do with though John. Someone who scores 10 goals in fifteen games wouldn't be that bad would it mate?

Maybe so mate, but you can't dictate which 15 games he'd be fit for, that's the key.

I also think he'd struggle in our system. He's simply a passenger in away games these days, doesn't look interested when chances aren't laid on for him and doesn't have the physique to hold the ball up or link play. Could he do what Torres does away from home? No way.

Would he be useful in breaking down stubborn defences at Anfield when we're 0-0 from the bench or in a 4-4-2 with Torres? Quite possibly, but injury wise I still think he's too much of a gamble and I'm glad United took it rather than us to be honest.

by **LFC2007** » Thu Jul 23, 2009 11:53 pm

At the very least he was worth considering given our lack of attacking depth, the fact he was on a free, and our apparent (and relative) lack of funds. I certainly wouldn't have jumped at the chance like some, but I wouldn't have dismissed it out of hand either. Injury problems aside there's the probability he would've been sat on the bench for most games anyway, allied with all the unwanted press attention of the returning 'idol' - will he play/ can he form a deadly partnership Torres and all that sort of nonsense we could generally do without. Besides, I thought he was a bit of a c'unt for leaving us in the first place.

by **account deleted by request** » Fri Jul 24, 2009 12:38 am

I think Rafa made a telling point when he said he had doubts over whether Owen would be happy without a regular first team place.

One could argue that he may well have forced his way into the team, but in all likelyhood he would have been a good option to be thrown on when we are struggling, or a good option when Torres wasn't available.

There is no doubt in my mind that whoever signed Owen was taking a gamble, but I think he would have had a better chance of it paying off with us than at the club he eventually went to. Mainly because I think we have less strength in depth in his position and he would probably have been given more opportunities with us.

It will be interesting to see how he does regarding injuries , but even a season free from injuries wouldn't mean the gamble has paid off unless he is also given the opportunities, and takes them!

Could Owen have forged a partnership with Torres? I think so, but we will probably never know now.

by **metalhead** » Fri Jul 24, 2009 8:08 pm

s@int wrote:I think Rafa made a telling point when he said he had doubts over whether Owen would be happy without a regular first team place.

One could argue that he may well have forced his way into the team, but in all likelyhood he would have been a good option to be thrown on when we are struggling, or a good option when Torres wasn't available.

There is no doubt in my mind that whoever signed Owen was taking a gamble, but I think he would have had a better chance of it paying off with us than at the club he eventually went to. Mainly because I think we have less strength in depth in his position and he would probably have been given more opportunities with us.

It will be interesting to see how he does regarding injuries , but even a season free from injuries wouldn't mean the gamble has paid off unless he is also given the opportunities, and takes them!

Could Owen have forged a partnership with Torres? I think so, but we will probably never know now.

Isn't first team football was one of the reasons he left Real Madrid in the first place? he would have pushed for a place, but he did say that he needed regular football in order to get back to the england squad.

The same thing with Rafa explaining that Owen is looking more into a regular role in order to get back in the England squad. He wouldn't be happy being a sub for Torres, UNLESS Owen comes and claims that he is wants to come back, even though he has to be second fiddle to Fernando Torres and he will be happy sitting on the bench being the backup player. Now that wouldn't be Owen would it? Things would have been different if Owen stated the same, and Rafa would be happy to get him as squad player to build our attacking depth, he is a class player, no doubt about it, but his mind is set more to becoming and England regular rather than caring about a club, ''Country before Club" mentality. Anyways, as a person, I've lost respect, shame on you owen.

by **Igor Zidane** » Fri Jul 24, 2009 8:23 pm

Has his hamstrings gone yet?

by **Reg** » Fri Jul 24, 2009 10:08 pm

Why would Rafa apparantly be willing to reconsider Crouchie at 12 million but not Owen on a free?

Could only be because he considers him finished.

by **bunglemark2** » Fri Jul 24, 2009 10:13 pm

Reg wrote:Why would Rafa apparantly be willing to reconsider Crouchie at 12 million but not Owen on a free?

Could only be because he considers him finished.

Didn't Crouch decide he wanted out in the first place 'cos he wasn't happy playing second fiddle to Torres ? And also because Rafa didn't believe in - or want to - play two strikers up front ?
I think this re-signing Crouch thing is a pile of doo-doo....not gonna happen...

BUT....I would have deffo preferred to have seen Owen back. I think (quelle surprise !) there's bad blood between Owen and Rafa and he's too bleedin' stubborn to consider taking a gamble on Owen at this stage of his career. Owen will score goals this year....pity it ain't for us...

by **account deleted by request** » Fri Jul 24, 2009 11:42 pm

Reg wrote:Why would Rafa apparantly be willing to reconsider Crouchie at 12 million but not Owen on a free?

Could only be because he considers him finished.

To be honest Reg, I don't think Rafa ever really rated Owen that much. When there was talk of Owen coming back it always seemed to be more Parry and Moores pushing for him rather than Rafa.

I would be surprised if Crouch came back, mainly because he surely must realise he will be plan "B" rather than a regular starter. Wasn't that why he left in the first place?

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